E-Cigarettes Are For Drug Addicts

[Superstargoddess]

Sassy?

Is well reasoned argumentation now considered "sassy"? Is pointing out other's incoherence now "sassy"? No, it's just a way of responding when you don't have any actual arguments.

Defensive?

How am I being defensive? If anyone is being defensive -- it's you. I'm just trying to get you to see the double standard you are applying -- the hypocrisy of your position. Seems I'm not the only one trying in this thread, but you just refuse to see it -- self effacement.

"Hell no" -- when a plain old boring "no" just isn't enough.

^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Now that was me being someways closer to "sassy" -- wouldn't want to disappoint.

*shrug*

No point in me responding further -- you'll either get the point or you won't. And it seems like you won't if you haven't by now.

We already solved the riddle.

 

[Thulium]

We already solved the riddle.

Absolutely.

To be clear, however, I never meant to attack your position directly in the first place but I was pointing out there there is an element of truth in the phrase "e-cigarettes are for drug addicts": Nicotine is the second most addictive substance in the world. More people die from tobacco-related disease than all the other drugs combined. There are 98 reported suicides from people taking the drug Chantix as an effort to quit smoking.

I'll admit it tho: I LIKE smoking and I don't really want to quit. However, I don't really want to die either, and I don't really like smelling like an ashtray, and I don't really like losing my sense of taste, and I really don't like constantly feeling like I'm out of breath, and I don't like having a compromised immune system and higher blood pressure. I really don't like that despite my best efforts to keep her away, my daughter is exposed to the poisons in second-hand smoke. All the negatives would probably be enough to make me not like smoking, but if I don't get a cigarette when I'm craving one...I cease caring about the negative side effects and start disliking EVERYONE and everyone stops liking me in return.

E-cigarettes give me nearly everything I like about smoking without any of the things I dislike. Are they for drug addicts? They can be. But they can also be for people who are not addicted to any drug, but just want the enjoyment and social aspect of flavored vapor floating around them... E-cigarettes are also for people who have no interest in nicotine or any other drug.

 

[TheUltimateG]

Geeze, I can't wait until I get a webcam!

Any camera that fixes your grainy picture would be nice

 

[Superstargoddess]

Any camera that fixes your grainy picture would be nice

Yeah, that picture is a little old, taken with my first webcam that I had years ago. I don't really age though, so I still look the same. I'm sure that the newer webcams are much more advanced than the old school ones.

 

[Vaponator]

I don't really age though, so I still look the same.

Now thats what all the women you meet online say, until you meet them at a bar and they weigh 350lbs. Not that thats good or bad just that most misrepresent themselves.

8-o

Heres one of me taken a while ago but I don't age either and pretty much look the same.

http://unitedsquads.net/imagesmom/me.jpg

Not bad for 42.

 

[sunnyday]

The toothless inbred Canadian hick sits there wearing sunglasses (maybe I should sue for trademark infringement) sucking on a cigarette (bet his breath is sweet) trash talking e-cigs and he doesn't even have the stones to allow comments.

Class act.

If analog smokers wants to identify with this clown I say let them.
By virtue of his appearance in a video he is portraying himself as a spoksman for Cigarettes. I'd like to produce his next video against the nicotine patch .. how it sticks to your arm pit hair and makes you puke if you chip a Kool now and then. He could also double as poster child for the Dental Association. Smokers, here's your new leader.

 

[asturel13]

I thought he was being sarcastic! What a foolio! I still don't get what his point was supposed to be

 

[kinabaloo]

Thanks for a good laugh. Reading that on this board was just hilarious.

E-cigs are for drug addicts -- just like cigarettes, patches, gum, inhalers, etc. They all deliver a drug to the user -- the only difference is the method they use.

Unless you're on 0 nic e-liquid, of course. Then you likely were a drug user who has kicked the habit.

This board is full of drug users -- and I'd wager a large percentage like their drug.

No, the e-cig / PV is for people who enjoy vaping, the patches and inhalators etc are something else.

The thing is, is this video a random event, or is it part of a coordinated disinformation plan? or is it part of a coordinated disinformation plan?

 

[kinabaloo]

Nicotine is the second most addictive substance in the world. More people die from tobacco-related disease than all the other drugs combined.

That nicotine is so addictive, as you say, is not at all certain.

Then suddenly you switch from nicotine to tobacco when talking of deaths. I see what you did there.

And when you say all other drugs combined, you're obviously leaving out FDA sanctioned drugs.

 

[Vapor Pete]

I don't even know where to start.....

YouTube - SmokeStik E-Cigarettes Are For Drug Addicts Warning Not Approved By Health Canada should be Banned!

I swear I saw this idiot doing a review of Intellicig about 5 months ago....

My best,
-VP

 

[kinabaloo]

"Politics will run the world, religion will ruin it."

Same thing really. Misdirection.

 

[Thulium]

That nicotine is so addictive, as you say, is not at all certain.

Then suddenly you switch from nicotine to tobacco when talking of deaths. I see what you did there.[/quote]

Ah, you're right. I made the mistake of equating tobacco with nicotine. Nicotine is generally regarded as the primary addictive substance in tobacco products and most nicotine is obtained from tobacco...but you are correct that there are separate issues. It is important to note, however, that it is nicotine addiction that is generally treated medically.

And when you say all other drugs combined, you're obviously leaving out FDA sanctioned drugs.

No, not really. Obesity is nearly as deadly as tobacco, but according to the American Medical Association, more people were killed in the year 2000 by tobacco than Alcohol, Microbial Agents, Toxic Agents, Motor Vehicle Crashes, Adverse Reactions to Prescription drugs, suicide, incidents involving firearms, homicide, sexual behaviors, all illicit drug use (direct and indirect), and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAID) like aspirin...combined.

 

[Heed]

No, the e-cig / PV is for people who enjoy vaping, the patches and inhalators etc are something else.

The thing is, is this video a random event, or is it part of a coordinated disinformation plan? or is it part of a coordinated disinformation plan?

C'mon. What do the vast majority of vapers ingest when they vape?

Oh yes, an addictive drug -- nicotine.

To say some people vape 0 nic only disproves a universal claim by counter-example -- i.e. "All vapers are drug addicts" or "Every vaper is a drug addict". It does nothing to address my point which is that most vapers are drug addicts.

The same goes for smokers -- you can find some people who inhale smoke without taking nicotine (clove cigs, etc.). However, the vast majority smoke because they are addicted to nicotine and that's how they get their fix.

That's the irony of the video and a lot of responses to it here:

The guy decries vaping as being for drug addicts without seeing that he, himself, is a drug addict. Then as a response, some vapers fail to see themselves as drug addicts ("How dare he", "I'm so offended") and point to some other substance users and decry them as the "real drug addicts". Keep passing that hot potato.

 

[Thulium]

Even the ignorant jerk that posted the Youtube video didn't say that all e-cig users are drug addicts. In his uniquely disturbing and downright stupid way, all he actually said was that e-cigarettes are for drug addicts. He really would have been more accurate to say that Nicorette and Nicoderm are for drug addicts, and e-cigarettes are for drug addicts or people who enjoy flavored vapor.

 

[pbusardo]

Loo-Hoo-Za-Hahr

 

[BenJammin]

lol only excuse for wearing sunglasses at night is to be a celeb with papparazzi camera's blinding them...otherwise, they're an obvious drug addict or just plain fool...

The sunglasses craze started out of Hollywood with the rising popularity of outpatient pre-frontal lobotomies. The procedure was performed with an instrument that resembled an ice-pick. Access to the brain was gained through the eye socket. Once inserted, the connection between the two hemispheres was severed. The only external evidence of the surgery was a black eye. To hide this black eye, famous people who had this surgery performed would wear dark sunglasses until it healed. Maybe the Crazed Canuck needs a date with an ice pick.
Awesome vid response Big Jim! As usual.

 

[BenJammin]

Sassy?

Is well reasoned argumentation now considered "sassy"? Is pointing out other's incoherence now "sassy"? No, it's just a way of responding when you don't have any actual arguments.

Defensive?

How am I being defensive? If anyone is being defensive -- it's you. I'm just trying to get you to see the double standard you are applying -- the hypocrisy of your position. Seems I'm not the only one trying in this thread, but you just refuse to see it -- self effacement.

"Hell no" -- when a plain old boring "no" just isn't enough.

^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Now that was me being someways closer to "sassy" -- wouldn't want to disappoint.

*shrug*

No point in me responding further -- you'll either get the point or you won't. And it seems like you won't if you haven't by now.

As to the whole "addict issue", some of us here are being clinical and others are being personal in our approaches. Unfortunately its hard sometimes to know which is which. What follows is not an attack directed towards anyone but a clinical statement about addiction, and how it applies to ME personally. What separates a user from an addict is the extent to which a drug controls his life and the decisions he makes. A user uses a drug to feel "better", an addict uses a drug to feel "normal". I physically need nicotine to function properly. It's absence creates such a distraction and mental state as to impair my cognitive abilities. I am an addict. Also, daily life for me does not begin without my coffee. I need it to regain my full alertness, and control. Without it my patience for the fools around me is non-existent. In my natural state I am cranky and sometimes cruel. This drug makes me a better person than I would normally be. I am an addict. But, I do have limits. What I am not is a junkie. A junkie has given all for the sake of his drug. A junkie lives for his drug it is his highest priority in life. For its sake he will destroy himself and the people who love him. I am an addict, there is a difference. I was a tobacco junkie. I was willingly killing myself slowly with cigarettes to get my nicotine. I knew better, had read the studies, had literally watched neighbors and relatives DIE a painful choking death, but I kept right on smoking. Now I don't have to let that happen. I've been given a tool, not a crutch, but a marvelous tool to help me avoid that early grave.
Each of us has to come to terms with our own addiction in our own way. People we are all in this fight together, we are all fighting for our very lives. Some of us just tend to be a little more "in your face" about it. Let's not mistake this zeal for persecution, remember the person on the other side of that screen really does want to help you, they wouldn't still be here if they didn't (Thank the Gods for the Mods! .)
Vape On! And be Excellent to one another!

 

[solonguniverse]

As to the whole "addict issue", some of us here are being clinical and others are being personal in our approaches. Unfortunately its hard sometimes to know which is which. What follows is not an attack directed towards anyone but a clinical statement about addiction, and how it applies to ME personally. What separates a user from an addict is the extent to which a drug controls his life and the decisions he makes. A user uses a drug to feel "better", an addict uses a drug to feel "normal". I physically need nicotine to function properly. It's absence creates such a distraction and mental state as to impair my cognitive abilities. I am an addict. Also, daily life for me does not begin without my coffee. I need it to regain my full alertness, and control. Without it my patience for the fools around me is non-existent. In my natural state I am cranky and sometimes cruel. This drug makes me a better person than I would normally be. I am an addict. But, I do have limits. What I am not is a junkie. A junkie has given all for the sake of his drug. A junkie lives for his drug it is his highest priority in life. For its sake he will destroy himself and the people who love him. I am an addict, there is a difference. I was a tobacco junkie. I was willingly killing myself slowly with cigarettes to get my nicotine. I knew better, had read the studies, had literally watched neighbors and relatives DIE a painful choking death, but I kept right on smoking. Now I don't have to let that happen. I've been given a tool, not a crutch, but a marvelous tool to help me avoid that early grave.
Each of us has to come to terms with our own addiction in our own way. People we are all in this fight together, we are all fighting for our very lives. Some of us just tend to be a little more "in your face" about it. Let's not mistake this zeal for persecution, remember the person on the other side of that screen really does want to help you, they wouldn't still be here if they didn't (Thank the Gods for the Mods! .)
Vape On! And be Excellent to one another!

Well said. I think it would do us all a bit of good to differentiate between users, addicts, and junkies. It's always good to step back, take a look at yourself very objectively and find where you stand personally.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

As to the whole "addict issue", some of us here are being clinical and others are being personal in our approaches. Unfortunately its hard sometimes to know which is which. What follows is not an attack directed towards anyone but a clinical statement about addiction, and how it applies to ME personally. What separates a user from an addict is the extent to which a drug controls his life and the decisions he makes. A user uses a drug to feel "better", an addict uses a drug to feel "normal". I physically need nicotine to function properly. It's absence creates such a distraction and mental state as to impair my cognitive abilities. I am an addict. Also, daily life for me does not begin without my coffee. I need it to regain my full alertness, and control. Without it my patience for the fools around me is non-existent. In my natural state I am cranky and sometimes cruel. This drug makes me a better person than I would normally be. I am an addict. But, I do have limits. What I am not is a junkie. A junkie has given all for the sake of his drug. A junkie lives for his drug it is his highest priority in life. For its sake he will destroy himself and the people who love him. I am an addict, there is a difference. I was a tobacco junkie. I was willingly killing myself slowly with cigarettes to get my nicotine. I knew better, had read the studies, had literally watched neighbors and relatives DIE a painful choking death, but I kept right on smoking. Now I don't have to let that happen. I've been given a tool, not a crutch, but a marvelous tool to help me avoid that early grave.
Each of us has to come to terms with our own addiction in our own way. People we are all in this fight together, we are all fighting for our very lives. Some of us just tend to be a little more "in your face" about it. Let's not mistake this zeal for persecution, remember the person on the other side of that screen really does want to help you, they wouldn't still be here if they didn't (Thank the Gods for the Mods! .)
Vape On! And be Excellent to one another!

Ben -

This is wonderful insight. I do have one (respectfully submitted) question for you: How does someone who is prescribed a pill to be "normal" in the morning, differ from someone who self medicates with a cup of coffee? Would this person be considered an addict? And the same question for nicotine. Many are on prescribed meds that do for them what nicotine does for us. Are they considered addicts?

I ask because I find that as long as one is self medicating, there seems to be this agreement in our society to call them addicts. Even to let them identify themselves as such. However, if the same drugs (caffeine and nicotine) were prescribed by a doctor, I don't feel this would hold true. They wouldn't be called addicts, they would be under doctor's care.

 

[solonguniverse]

Ben -

This is wonderful insight. I do have one (respectfully submitted) question for you: How does someone who is prescribed a pill to be "normal" in the morning, differ from someone who self medicates with a cup of coffee? Would this person be considered an addict? And the same question for nicotine. Many are on prescribed meds that do for them what nicotine does for us. Are they considered addicts?

I ask because I find that as long as one is self medicating, there seems to be this agreement in our society to call them addicts. Even to let them identify themselves as such. However, if the same drugs (caffeine and nicotine) were prescribed by a doctor, I don't feel this would hold true. They wouldn't be called addicts, they would be under doctor's care.

I think it has more to do with the fact that nicotine and caffeine are self-imposed addictions. I don't know of anyone that woke up one morning and decided to try Xanax for the first time and became addicted...oh wait...

But seriously, the difference lies in the fact that a doctor saw the necessity to prescribe those drugs for something more than a want. It's a psychological/physical necessity that was inherent in the patient.