Because the term Guard implies simply guarding something. Correctional Officers do much more than that.
Former Sgt. at Oklahoma State Penitentiary here.
No way would they allow e-cigs at OSP. Hell, they can't even have chewing gum.
E-cigs... and PRISON!
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Because the term Guard implies simply guarding something. Correctional Officers do much more than that.
Former Sgt. at Oklahoma State Penitentiary here.
No way would they allow e-cigs at OSP. Hell, they can't even have chewing gum.
The term "Guard" is from back in the day before states opened Correctional Academies to train new Correctional Officers. Back then, people were hired off the street, handed a set of keys, and sent into the snake-pit. Today, we're formally trained for weeks at the academy long before we begin working in a prison environment. We're not "guarding" anything; we're Officers.
They said in the old days at OSP, the trustees showed the new guards what to do :laughing:
I read about one Norwegian prison recently where the inmates actually lived in houses. Each house would have several inmates. They would work and cook meals and all of that. Of course, these were inmates who had already done part of their sentence in a regular prison and had proven track records of excellent behavior. It was a way to help them transition back into regular society.
Oh, and as for whether vapes will ever be allowed in a prison: doubtful. Maybe at the absolute minimum security level, but that's it.
If an inmate orders anything from online in a MD prison it is screened before it enters as all mail. Once discovered said inmate would be called to the mail room to fill forms to have it sent to a relative back home. As it has already been stated at my prison as well they can not have chewing gum because they cram it into old turn style locks. As for officers we can not carry one into the institution. Before I enter I get sniffed by a drug detection dog, pass through a metal detector and get frisk searched, as well as my lunch box pass through an x-ray machine. I have thought about trying to sneak it in but not worth the hassle. But in the state of Maryland vaping is still a no fly zone.
I just found one last week made out of plastic coffee cup lids... All they have is time.
Mythbusters did a show once on building stuff out of what's available in prison. Adam visited San Quinton and got to see their museum collection of inmate fabricated weapons. It's unreal really. Can we get any of them into making custom APVs? 
Here's an interesting point of view from the inside with a dry twist of humor
RavenVapesReview8_6_12 - YouTube
RavenVapesReview8_6_12 - YouTube
It won't ever happen. Former state correctional officer, future county correctional officer. In Florida, prisons and jails are completely tobacco free, visitors, inmates, and C.O.'s included.
As for the batteries being bombs, that could or couldn't be considered in the decision making process. They get alkaline batteries (CD Players, MP3 players), so the power source angle is moot, but LiON batteries are considerably more dangerous than their alkaline counterparts, so I can see the point there. The atomizers would be a big concern as well as a weapon. Nicotine for poisoning. As for the metal parts, they get metallic objects. They take the aluminum foil from Ramen noodles, the labels off the batteries, etc. and fold them over dozens of times to get the thickness they need to make whatever they want, so the metal tubing, not so much of a concern. Not to say it isn't a concern, just not as large of one.
AuBadge: weeks? The required academy in Florida is 4-5 months. I attended from October of 2010 to March of 2011. Part of that was the school was out for the holidays, but still. 586 clock hours. When I go to county and take the L.E.O crossover, that's another 6 months.
As for the batteries being bombs, that could or couldn't be considered in the decision making process. They get alkaline batteries (CD Players, MP3 players), so the power source angle is moot, but LiON batteries are considerably more dangerous than their alkaline counterparts, so I can see the point there. The atomizers would be a big concern as well as a weapon. Nicotine for poisoning. As for the metal parts, they get metallic objects. They take the aluminum foil from Ramen noodles, the labels off the batteries, etc. and fold them over dozens of times to get the thickness they need to make whatever they want, so the metal tubing, not so much of a concern. Not to say it isn't a concern, just not as large of one.
AuBadge: weeks? The required academy in Florida is 4-5 months. I attended from October of 2010 to March of 2011. Part of that was the school was out for the holidays, but still. 586 clock hours. When I go to county and take the L.E.O crossover, that's another 6 months.
Wow! Is it even possible? In my (probably naive) understanding such ban would immediately result in never-ending riots.
I saw that show and was trying to tell an attorney about alternate ways to rehab prisoners on a show about prisons on stickam.
He said it couldn't exist and doubted I was telling the truth.
It obviously works for them why couldn't that be employed here?
C.B.
Check out the "white collar" (read=politician) Prisons. Most have golf courses!
They get used to it. When they banned tobacco here in Oklahoma, there were a few more fights and such, but nothing major. Things quieted down after a while.
I work in a prison and they would NEVER let them order an ecig or juice. Or anything on Amazon or eBay. They can order books, mags, and tapes from certain approved suppliers. I can't even have my ecig inside the prison. It would be considered electronic contraband.
Most "jails" in the USA now prohibit any tobacco, but lots of "prisons" have tobacco smoking outside in the yard. I doubt e-cigs will ever be "officially" permitted in jail or prison, like Slim said, to many "strange" metal parts, and many inmates would attempt to have people send e-juice saturated with narcotics. Think of a violent inmate having a GGTS with full extension kit and a UFS! 8-o
there is no way e-cig will ever be allowed inside a correctional facility,,with matches ,paper and a pencil,,you have yourself one helluva pistol..
I've worked with ex-inmates ,,dam ingenuous they are
I've worked with ex-inmates ,,dam ingenuous they are
I work in a prison as a Correctional Officer and vape at work. The ecigs in a correctional setting in my opinnion would not work. Inmates have way too much time in their hand to deal with electronics. They can make stuff out of nothing because of the different ecig choices this could be turn into weapons and the ejuice is toxic. Since money is everything (thats why they banned analog use, too many second hand smoke suits). Just think of everything they can come up with with this type of electronics.
I saw that show and was trying to tell an attorney about alternate ways to rehab prisoners on a show about prisons on stickam.
He said it couldn't exist and doubted I was telling the truth.
It obviously works for them why couldn't that be employed here?
C.B.
simple answer? prison's (as a business) benefit from recidivism...they want you to go out and commit offenses again...i'm a cynic...but i don't think that makes me wrong. look at the war on drugs and who benefits...it isnt society as a whole that does that is certain.
I have this mental image of someone using a pavari in prison...its bludgens it powers your tattoo rig, it lights your cigs...and it vapes...
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CB - I did see the Lock Up Norway show you are referring to so at least one attorney believes you!!! And heck after the minimal sentence that mass murderer in Norway just received, I suspect that your lawyer friend might believe you now as well.
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