E-cigs are training wheels for youngsters...

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ladyraj

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...e-cigarettes could serve as "training wheels' for youngsters who want to share in the mystique and sexy allure of appearing to smoke. So sayeth the infamous bansturbater John Banzhaf: (sorry for the lengthy post)

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]E-Cigarette Critics Accused of "Libel" and "Slander" // But FDA is Already Asserting Jurisdiction Over Product[/FONT]

E-Cigarette Critics Accused of "Libel" and "Slander" // But FDA is Already Asserting Jurisdiction Over Product

A major distributor of e-cigarettes has accused critics of the new product of "libel" and "slander," possibly in a effort to discourage efforts to regulate them, but the FDA is now taking action to protect the public, says public interest law professor John Banzhaf of Action on Health(ASH), who has petitioned the FDA to regulate the products.


Indeed, the federal agency is moving to regulate e-cigarettes - devices which resemble cigarettes but which, instead of burning tobacco, emit a cloud of nicotineand then exhaled) by the user. Just as an earlier ASH legal petition helped prompt the FDA to regulate cigarettes containing nicotine, and also an earlier nicotine-emitting cigarette-like device known as "Favor," a new ASH legal petition may be playing a significant role, and does help explain the FDA's action.

Preliminary regulatory steps are already being taken. For example, the FDA has begun listing the product on its "Import Alert" as "misbranding" and as an "unapproved new drug" - "Product appears to be a combination drug-device product that requires pre-approval, registration and listing with FDA." This has prevented shipments from being imported into the U.S., and triggered a new legal action.

Critics such as Professor Banzhaf have pointed to a wide variety of potential dangers from e-cigarettes - and presumably also from e-pipes and e-cigars which have now appeared on the market - and has asked the FDA to determine the safety of the products, as the agency has with all earlier nicotine-delivery products like nicotine gum, nicotine patches, nicotine lozenges, nicotine sprays, and nicotine inhalers.

All of these products are allowed to be sold only with FDA-required warnings. Indeed, an advisory committee recommended that nicotine spray should only be sold with prescriptions, strong warnings about its danger, and a limit on refills.

Proponents of e-cigarettes point to two studies supposedly demonstrating the safety of their product, or at least that it is safer than smoking cigarettes. But the two studies were paid for by e-cigarette manufacturers, so the safety of the devices has not been independently and impartially verified.

Moreover, says Banzhaf, "being somewhat safer than the most dangerous product ever marketed is hardly a glowing recommendation, and certainly not the criteria which new medical products must meet. The same can be said about gum, patches, lozenges, sprays, and inhalers which administer nicotine, but all can be marketed only with FDA-mandated warnings, and some require a prescription - protections the public does not receive regarding e-cigarettes."

E-cigarettes may have risks not associated with other nicotine replacement products, suggests Banzhaf. These could arise from the fact that the nicotine is inhaled directly into the lungs where it is delivered to the brain almost immediately, thereby substantially increasing its addictive potential.

E-cigarettes also deliver significant amounts of propylene glycol, the same substance used to make antifreeze, so their direct and very frequent inhalation into the lungs could do damages beyond that caused by the nicotine. Since the products are being made without FDA oversight, there is no guarantee as to the purity and quality of the various ingredients they may contain.

Some e-cigarettes reportedly contain flavorings and other additives, and the effect of inhaling these chemicals (especially once heated) could be additional dangers. Banzhaf notes that clove extract, while apparently safe when ingested (e.g., with cooked hams), was found to cause death, comas, and other severe medical problems in some users when added to cigarettes and heated as the cigarettes burned.

There are also potential dangers beyond those to the of the user. Purchasers - especially those at elevated risk for cardiovascular problems like heart attacks and strokes - may not make a serious effort to simply quit if they believe that e-cigarettes substantially reduce their. Apparently they does not, with most of the alleged risk reduction coming from the absence of cancer-causing substances found in cigarette smoke.

Purchasers are also being encouraged to use the products in close proximity to other people - including in no sections - so that those nearby will be exposed to nicotine (a deadly poison and a addictive drug) as well as propylene glycol. The possible health effects - especially upon infants, young children, the elderly, and those with existing conditions like which may make them especially susceptible - have not been impartially evaluated.

Finally, warns Banzhaf, e-cigarettes could serve as "training wheels' for youngsters who want to share in the mystique and sexy allure of appearing to smoke, but who either cannot buy cigarettes or don't want to inhale the cancer causing substances. Since they will be inhaling nicotine directly into their lungs, it is reasonable to assume that it could cause some to become addicted. Thus, says Banzhaf, at least the FDA should ban the sale of this product to children.

"In summary, it is illegal and wrong for manufacturers to foist on the public a new product containing a deadly and addictive substance without any independent and impartial determinations as to its safety," says Banzhaf, noting that very safe products like require FDA approval, that many other very safe drugs like also require prescriptions, and that all other nicotine replacement products likewise required FDA approval.

"Smokers desperate to quit should not serve as guinea pigs to test a new product which may be neither safe nor effective. It is the FDA - and not the Chinese manufactures not American importers - which should evaluate safety and adopt whatever restrictions might be appropriate," argues Banzhaf.

PROFESSOR JOHN F. BANZHAF III
Professor of Public Interest Law and Executive Director
Action on Smoking and Health (ASH)
2013 H Street, NW, Washington, DC 20006, USA
(202) 659-4310 // (703) 527-8418 // ash.org/ :evil:
 
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Propylene glycol is also in your tooth paste/ mouth washed, tons of food, and inhaled daily by people for 50+ years with asthma inhalers.......

I swear antifreeze is the only thing that ever comes up...


ALSO I was at the store the other day looking at the Gum, colorful box, lots of different flavors, whitens teeth and so forth......Flavor Gum that now helps whiten your teeth and gives you Nicotin.


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Propylene glycol is also in your tooth paste/ mouth washed, tons of food, and inhaled daily by people for 50+ years with asthma inhalers.......

I swear antifreeze is the only thing that ever comes up...


ALSO I was at the store the other day looking at the Gum, colorful box, lots of different flavors, whitens teeth and so forth......Flavor Gum that now helps whiten your teeth and gives you Nicotin.

"Studies conducted in 1942 by Dr. Oswald Hope Robertson of University of Chicago's Billings Hospital showed vaporized propylene glycol inhalation in laboratory mice may prevent pneumonia, influenza, and other respiratory diseases. Additional studies in monkeys and other animals were undertaken to determine longterm effects, especially the potential for accumulation in the lungs"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol
 
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...e-cigarettes could serve as "training wheels' for youngsters who want to share in the mystique and sexy allure of appearing to smoke. So sayeth the infamous bansturbater John Banzhaf: (sorry for the lengthy post)

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]E-Cigarette Critics Accused of "Libel" and "Slander" // But FDA is Already Asserting Jurisdiction Over Product[/FONT]

E-Cigarette Critics Accused of "Libel" and "Slander" // But FDA is Already Asserting Jurisdiction Over Product

A major distributor of e-cigarettes has accused critics of the new product of "libel" and "slander," possibly in a effort to discourage efforts to regulate them, but the FDA is now taking action to protect the public, says public interest law professor John Banzhaf of Action on Health(ASH), who has petitioned the FDA to regulate the products.


Indeed, the federal agency is moving to regulate e-cigarettes - devices which resemble cigarettes but which, instead of burning tobacco, emit a cloud of nicotineand then exhaled) by the user. Just as an earlier ASH legal petition helped prompt the FDA to regulate cigarettes containing nicotine, and also an earlier nicotine-emitting cigarette-like device known as "Favor," a new ASH legal petition may be playing a significant role, and does help explain the FDA's action.

Preliminary regulatory steps are already being taken. For example, the FDA has begun listing the product on its "Import Alert" as "misbranding" and as an "unapproved new drug" - "Product appears to be a combination drug-device product that requires pre-approval, registration and listing with FDA." This has prevented shipments from being imported into the U.S., and triggered a new legal action.

Critics such as Professor Banzhaf have pointed to a wide variety of potential dangers from e-cigarettes - and presumably also from e-pipes and e-cigars which have now appeared on the market - and has asked the FDA to determine the safety of the products, as the agency has with all earlier nicotine-delivery products like nicotine gum, nicotine patches, nicotine lozenges, nicotine sprays, and nicotine inhalers.

All of these products are allowed to be sold only with FDA-required warnings. Indeed, an advisory committee recommended that nicotine spray should only be sold with prescriptions, strong warnings about its danger, and a limit on refills.

Proponents of e-cigarettes point to two studies supposedly demonstrating the safety of their product, or at least that it is safer than smoking cigarettes. But the two studies were paid for by e-cigarette manufacturers, so the safety of the devices has not been independently and impartially verified.

Moreover, says Banzhaf, "being somewhat safer than the most dangerous product ever marketed is hardly a glowing recommendation, and certainly not the criteria which new medical products must meet. The same can be said about gum, patches, lozenges, sprays, and inhalers which administer nicotine, but all can be marketed only with FDA-mandated warnings, and some require a prescription - protections the public does not receive regarding e-cigarettes."

E-cigarettes may have risks not associated with other nicotine replacement products, suggests Banzhaf. These could arise from the fact that the nicotine is inhaled directly into the lungs where it is delivered to the brain almost immediately, thereby substantially increasing its addictive potential.

E-cigarettes also deliver significant amounts of propylene glycol, the same substance used to make antifreeze, so their direct and very frequent inhalation into the lungs could do damages beyond that caused by the nicotine. Since the products are being made without FDA oversight, there is no guarantee as to the purity and quality of the various ingredients they may contain.

Some e-cigarettes reportedly contain flavorings and other additives, and the effect of inhaling these chemicals (especially once heated) could be additional dangers. Banzhaf notes that clove extract, while apparently safe when ingested (e.g., with cooked hams), was found to cause death, comas, and other severe medical problems in some users when added to cigarettes and heated as the cigarettes burned.

There are also potential dangers beyond those to the of the user. Purchasers - especially those at elevated risk for cardiovascular problems like heart attacks and strokes - may not make a serious effort to simply quit if they believe that e-cigarettes substantially reduce their. Apparently they does not, with most of the alleged risk reduction coming from the absence of cancer-causing substances found in cigarette smoke.

Purchasers are also being encouraged to use the products in close proximity to other people - including in no sections - so that those nearby will be exposed to nicotine (a deadly poison and a addictive drug) as well as propylene glycol. The possible health effects - especially upon infants, young children, the elderly, and those with existing conditions like which may make them especially susceptible - have not been impartially evaluated.

Finally, warns Banzhaf, e-cigarettes could serve as "training wheels' for youngsters who want to share in the mystique and sexy allure of appearing to smoke, but who either cannot buy cigarettes or don't want to inhale the cancer causing substances. Since they will be inhaling nicotine directly into their lungs, it is reasonable to assume that it could cause some to become addicted. Thus, says Banzhaf, at least the FDA should ban the sale of this product to children.

"In summary, it is illegal and wrong for manufacturers to foist on the public a new product containing a deadly and addictive substance without any independent and impartial determinations as to its safety," says Banzhaf, noting that very safe products like require FDA approval, that many other very safe drugs like also require prescriptions, and that all other nicotine replacement products likewise required FDA approval.

"Smokers desperate to quit should not serve as guinea pigs to test a new product which may be neither safe nor effective. It is the FDA - and not the Chinese manufactures not American importers - which should evaluate safety and adopt whatever restrictions might be appropriate," argues Banzhaf.

PROFESSOR JOHN F. BANZHAF III
Professor of Public Interest Law and Executive Director
Action on Smoking and Health (ASH)
2013 H Street, NW, Washington, DC 20006, USA
(202) 659-4310 // (703) 527-8418 // ash.org/ :evil:


This Guy Banzhaf is the same ambulance chaser that started the whole revolution against Big Tobacco and instigating lawsuits against tobacco ads(which led to TV ads being removed and warning labels on cig packs)and second hand smoking(which led to smoking bans in public places). His next attack was against fast food, he sued McDonalds claiming it made kids Obese and pushed to get snack machines removed from Schools.
He's a scumbag that makes Millions in commisions off these nuisance lawsuits against large corporations/industries. Go to Wikipedia and read up on him if you'de like.
 
I smoked anti-freeze for years and never knew I was 'vaping' till just a few weeks ago. Aside from the slightly greenish glow around my lips, I haven't noticed any other side effects. Well, I don't get nearly as hot in the summer and in the winter I stay warmer longer. But I see those as wins.

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Finally, warns Banzhaf, e-cigarettes could serve as "training wheels' for youngsters who want to share in the mystique and sexy allure of appearing to smoke, but who either cannot buy cigarettes or don't want to inhale the cancer causing substances.

Interesting that he wants e-cigs out of the way so that youngsters can only smoke regulars if they want to try something.

Also it is a bit odd that (from reading here) a lot of PV users actually dcrease their nicotine levels. Far from being a gateway to the 'real thing' PVs seem to be a way of going down the scale towards nic free mixes.

It could be that nicotine, at the levels found in e-cigs/regulars, is not the main reason people smoke. A large part could be the actions and inhalation (of a vapour/smoke) rather than the chemical.
 

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I smoked anti-freeze for years and never knew I was 'vaping' till just a few weeks ago. Aside from the slightly greenish glow around my lips, I haven't noticed any other side effects. Well, I don't get nearly as hot in the summer and in the winter I stay warmer longer. But I see those as wins.

:D

That may be the funniest thing I've read all year!! :lol:
 

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E-cigarettes may have risks not associated with other nicotine replacement products, suggests Banzhaf. These could arise from the fact that the nicotine is inhaled directly into the lungs where it is delivered to the brain almost immediately, thereby substantially increasing its addictive potential.

wait... what? how does he think nicotine in cigarettes/cigars/pipes gets into a person's body? does he think magical invisible nicotine fairies appear to the call of tobacco being lit and invade your brain?

some people...
 

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A bit of Benzhaf's history:

November 29, 1997

... In view of this history I feel that it is important that Mr. Banzhaf and Action On Smoking And Health be informed of my continuing objection to promotion of lethal actions against persons who smoke, and that the ongoing promotion of the cyanide product tampering scheme is an continuing assault upon my person.

While I am sensitive to the needs of investigative organizations to avoid undue interference with their efforts, the fact remains that I, and millions of other persons who smoke, are confronted daily with the fear for our personal safety that is deliberately promoted by a federally subsidized anti-tobacco enterprise, Action On Smoking and Health. This fear is not legitimately addressed by consumers of tobacco products just quitting, anymore than it would have been legitimately addressed by consumers of Tylenol and Sudafed just not buying those products. This fear is only addressed by aggressive law enforcement action through due process of law against the perpetrators of this anti-tobacco domestic terrorism campaign.

Sudafed and Tylenol were and are legal products that were and are lawfully consumed by adults. Cigarettes are a legal product that is lawfully consumed by adults. To even consider, let alone actually state, the possibility that lawful consumers of legal tobacco products should just quit doing so to eliminate their fear for their personal safety is to legitimize federally funded and subsidized domestic terrorism in pursuit of new tax revenue sources. This is fundamentally opposed to every legal and moral premise upon which this nation is founded. It is also an outright violation of the civil rights of tobacco product consumers.

Having acquired and read a copy of "GASP! A Novel of Revenge" it is clear to me that the book is very real, and that it does contain a detailed plan for tobacco product cyanide tampering that can result in the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of tobacco product consumers. The book does contain details of how to implement a cyanide product tampering schemeto the point of an explicit description of how to substitute a tampered pack of cigarettes for a regular pack of cigarettes at a retail establishment. The threat of, and fear engendered by, ASH's promotion of this book is, therefore, very real, and it is not a delusional construction.

...

Link to full letter

FORCES International - The criminal complaint supplement #2 to the FBI against Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) - Original complaint dated 10/27/97
 
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