E-cigs decrease tobacco sales by 6.2% in one year (France) 13 Feb 2014

[Anjaffm]

Great article from France:

13 Feb 2014 - 60 millions de consommateurs:

Smokers are more likely to adopt electronic cigarette. The facts are there: the new device helps to lower tobacco consumption

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According to a study by the OFTD institute in France - comparing figures from 2012 and 2013 - e-cigarettes have directly caused:

- a 6.2 % decrease in sales of tobacco products
- a significant decrease in sales of NRT's
-- patches: 20%
-- gums: 5.5.%

[h=5]Smoking down[/h]What impact on tobacco consumption? For the observatory, it is clear that the e-cigarette "is originally a part of the sales decline in 2013." In fact, they fell last year by 6.2% compared to 2012.

.. Reason enough for the EU to try desperately to ban the healthier alternative to smoking tobacco. Now. With the Tobacco Products Directive that is to be pushed through the European Parliament with much haste and with a lot of irregularities.
Before tobacco sales decrease even more.

And poor Big Pharma sitting on their useless, unsold NRT's.. No, this cannot be allowed.

 

[rothenbj]

It's only going to get "worse" for those in the cigarette business, BP, BT, governments and, of course, us. There is going to be a lot of pressure to stop e cigs for the health of a lot of pocketbooks.

 

[onjre]

I was wondering if there were any stats on this yet. The momentum is definitely growing... B&Ms are popping up everywhere, started hearing radio ads for local B&Ms, the industry is large enough that companies are making vape BAGS and Jwraps (secondary supplies yet specifically made for vapers). The more the merrier. The greater the numbers the less likely they will be banned outright and only lightly regulated.

 

[Anjaffm]

It's only going to get "worse" for those in the cigarette business, BP, BT, governments and, of course, us. There is going to be a lot of pressure to stop e cigs for the health of a lot of pocketbooks.

I know. I am in the middle of it, right now, here in Europe.
I just sent another 55 e-mail messages to the German-speaking MEPs today, with this news.
And, of course, another message to Martin Schulz (head of European parliament) and the party leaders in the EU Parliament.
To insist on a split vote BEFORE the voting on the TPD.

As they currently want it, the split vote will come AFTER the voting on the TPD, but only if the TPD as a whole is rejected.
This is highly irregular procedure. I.e. more tricks by Pharma MacAvan and her fellow Big Pharma shills.

And of course, any MEP who has the courage to reject the TPD as a whole will be painted as a BT supporter.
Although, in reality, voting in favor of the TPD (including Art 18 and its de-facto ban on e-cigs) is voting in favor of Big Tobacco. By destroying the competition to Big Tobacco's deadly products.

By wiping all currently existing e-cigs off the market and handing the entire European e-cig market to Big Tobacco on a silver platter.
Smoke - buy an ineffective cigalike from BT - throw it out - smoke - buy an ineffective NRT from BP - smoke - pay cigarette taxes - rinse and repeat - die.

That is what the EU envisions for its citizens.
And no, I am not exaggerating. I am telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

And if Europe falls, then the US will be next. Mark my words.

 

[Julie W]

Holland has actually publicly stated that he's in a quandry about ecigs & doesn't want to appear a hypocrite by taxing them,having already promised that he wouldn't ,but then he's a politician & promises are their stock in trade....so we wait & see.I would love to be proved wrong

 

[VapieDan]

Great article from France:

13 Feb 2014 - 60 millions de consommateurs:

Smokers are more likely to adopt electronic cigarette. The facts are there: the new device helps to lower tobacco consumption

Google Translate

According to a study by the OFTD institute in France - comparing figures from 2012 and 2013 - e-cigarettes have directly caused:

- a 6.2 % decrease in sales of tobacco products
- a significant decrease in sales of NRT's
-- patches: 20%
-- gums: 5.5.%



.. Reason enough for the EU to try desperately to ban the healthier alternative to smoking tobacco. Now. With the Tobacco Products Directive that is to be pushed through the European Parliament with much haste and with a lot of irregularities.
Before tobacco sales decrease even more.

And poor Big Pharma sitting on their useless, unsold NRT's.. No, this cannot be allowed.

Kind of explains why the governments are out to lump Ecigs in with tobacco products to replace the lost tax revenues. Extrapolate the first figure out 10 years. 60% of cigarette sales gone.

 

[Bill Godshall]

Another French article stated that overall NRT sales declined 6.6% in 2013.
Tabac: comment l'e-cigarette est en train de tuer les patchs - Challenges

 

[Botomline]

If those figures are correct and can be extrapolated it's clear who is driving this train to extinguish e-cigs. Big Pharma/Tobacco etc. Lots of profits and hefty salaries are about to disappear and without any barriers to enter the e-cig market they have no idea how to regain their market share. I have no doubt there are a lot of closed door meetings at those companies trying to shut down the upstart before it becomes a real problem.

Shame that they will let me legally poison myself with the old standard and even hand me a coupon to do so, but I'm not allowed to use my chosen alternative to quit. They will however offer me overpriced and INEFFECTIVE method because it does them no harm.

 

[Anjaffm]

Thank you, @Bill Godshall.
Looks like Big Pharma is getting desperate.
And of course, the profits from their NRT's are peanuts compared to the profits made from medications to treat sick smokers.
Notice I said "treat". I did not say "heal". "Healed" persons are then healthy. Healthy persons do not buy medication.

@Botomline:
You hit the nail right on the head.

And as to "closed door meetings":
Those "closed door meetings" are not only AT those companies. Rather, they are between the paid lobbyists of those companies and politicians
And then between those politicians - who "miraculously" changed their minds and have started to demonize the harmless e-cig - and other politicians. Who might just be "persuaded" to see things their way. Or if not, they are bullied.

That unspeakable "trilogue" in the European Union was just that. A closed door meeting to completely alter the decision of the European Parliament - the elected representatives of the people - to keep e-cigs freely available in the European market.
The outcome of that "trilogue" is nothing like the decision of the EU Parliament.
The outcome of that "trilogue" is a de-facto ban on all e-cigs currently on the market. "Friendly" politicians "wiping clean" the market to "kindly" make room for the scaled-down and ineffective cigalikes of Big Industry.
( a cigalike with a max nic content of 20 mg / ml. Yeah.. sure.. very effective... )

- And this trilogue outcome nonsense is exactly what we are fighting right now, here in Europe.
As those in bed with Big Industry are trying to pressure the Members of Parliament to wave this through.

The EU Commission itself says that tobacco is responsible for 700.000 deaths in the EU each year: Introduction - European Commission

-- and just imagine:
Those people do not just fall down and die. They get sick before they die.

In addition, smokers have more life years in poor health. Many cancers, cardiovascular and respiratory diseases are linked to tobacco use

source: see above

And guess who makes money off sick people.

 

[rothenbj]

"And if Europe falls, then the US will be next. Mark my words."

The US (via the FDA) has lost the one weapon still available in the EU, forcing the e cig into BP control. It will be much harder to follow suit. That said, there are ways that the FDA can attempt to use their "iron fist". My thought would be to reduce the nic level in all "tobacco products" to insufficient levels while giving the higher level nicotine to BP for their products for "safety reasons". I think that could be battled in court successfully since they've already approved BP use for long term use, but that would be for the courts to decide.

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

This analysis helped me: For the Record: ECITA’s Breakdown of the TPD Proposals on Electronic Cigarettes | ECITA Blog

Brace for impact soon: EU Tobacco Products Directive on track : Tobacco Reporter ... if TPD passes, it will probably have ripple effects on this side of the pond.

 

[Julie W]

This analysis helped me: For the Record: ECITA’s Breakdown of the TPD Proposals on Electronic Cigarettes | ECITA Blog

Excellent article thanks for sharing

 

[Anjaffm]

@Roger_Lafayette:
Thank you for sharing. Great link.

Yes, that is what the un-elected bureaucrats in the EU envision for all the people of all the 28 EU member states.
Including a ban on free speech for private citizens. Which is directly opposed to the constitution of my country.

And most of the MEP's (Members of European Parliament) - the elected representatives of the people - are just to be pawns in the game. Just like the people themselves.

 

[jpargana]

Great article from France:

13 Feb 2014 - 60 millions de consommateurs:

Smokers are more likely to adopt electronic cigarette. The facts are there: the new device helps to lower tobacco consumption

Google Translate

According to a study by the OFTD institute in France - comparing figures from 2012 and 2013 - e-cigarettes have directly caused:

- a 6.2 % decrease in sales of tobacco products
- a significant decrease in sales of NRT's
-- patches: 20%
-- gums: 5.5.%



.. Reason enough for the EU to try desperately to ban the healthier alternative to smoking tobacco. Now. With the Tobacco Products Directive that is to be pushed through the European Parliament with much haste and with a lot of irregularities.
Before tobacco sales decrease even more.

And poor Big Pharma sitting on their useless, unsold NRT's.. No, this cannot be allowed.

Thank you for the heads-up, Anja! OMG, 20% (Twenty!!) decline in NRT's sales! 6.2% in tobacco cigarettes!!


Really... with those interests in power, how can there NOT be an irrational war on e-cigarettes?

 

[Kent C]

Has anyone seen similar type stats for the US?

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

Has anyone seen similar type stats for the US?

Lorillard profit down, but e-cigarette sales rise - MarketWatch isn't an exact match re:analogs, nor does it distinguish between US domestic & world-wide sales.

Of course the ANTZ narrative on this (c.f. Glantz's horrid interview yesterday) is that analog sales are down primarily because of higher taxes and increasingly harsh restrictions on where tobacco cigs can be smoked. That's because (allegedly) PVs are "dual use," and therefore have little or no effect on analog sales.

I haven't seen anything on US domestic NRT sales.

 

[Rickajho]

Is Glantz going to have to get over his dual-use mythology? Considering the recent blitz of ads for Nicorette gum and patches are pimping so hard that slipping up and dual use are ok, with catchy lines like "I quit for 15 days, but not in a row." and "It's ok if you slip up."

 

[Kent C]

Lorillard profit down, but e-cigarette sales rise - MarketWatch isn't an exact match re:analogs, nor does it distinguish between US domestic & world-wide sales.

Of course the ANTZ narrative on this (c.f. Glantz's horrid interview yesterday) is that analog sales are down primarily because of higher taxes and increasingly harsh restrictions on where tobacco cigs can be smoked. That's because (allegedly) PVs are "dual use," and therefore have little or no effect on analog sales.

I haven't seen anything on US domestic NRT sales.

Thanks Roger - that's a 'sign'.... We'll likely be seeing more on this as ecigs get more press.

You're right on the 'dual use' issue, but Glantz is truly wrong. Without a 'survey' but from personal anecdotal evidence here and in life, "dual use" has been along the lines of "I went from a pack and a half to 6 a day" - I know of 6 individuals, locally, where this was the case - 4 have since gone all vaping and two still have a few cigs a day - usually that first ones in the morning.

 

[Bob Chill]

I was a long term nrt user with plenty of smoking relapses in between. I still have 3 bottles of lozenges I haven't touched for almost 9 months. Same with my wife. Switching to vaping from nrt's is probably much easier than switching from analogs. And considering that I've already witnessed 9 people close to me drop smoking on a dime for ecigs in the last 6 months or so it's becoming pretty clear that the nrt/tobacco industry is in for troubled times regardless of how it all shakes out.

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

In some grudging way, one has to hand it to Glantz and his fellow ANTZ.

At least for the forseeable future ... no matter how much traditional tobacco product sales/users plummet, or NRT sales for that matter - and even no matter how big the vaping industry gets, nor how many vapers there are - they've laid the groundwork for an alternative explanation.

Eventually stuff like this: http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/10/first-study-to-examine-e-cigarette.html and Characteristics, side effects and benefits of electronic cigarette use: a worldwide survey of more than 19,000 users has been submitted for publication will be followed by additional evidence that will become undeniable. Even the nortorious ASH admits that hardly any existing vaper didn't start with orthodox tobacco products: http://ash.org.uk/files/
documents/ASH_715.pdf

Retailers (even gas station chains) will stop bothering to stock certain traditional tobacco products, based on the usual prosaic business rationales (inventory and shelf space cost). "Smoking areas" will be ful of vapers and bereft of tobacco burners. New NRT therapy applications will cease. Investors will vote with their feet, abandoning any BT company that isn't doing well in the vaping market. And so on.

It took 359 years for the Catholic Chuch to acknowledge that Galileo and Copernicus were right: Earth Moves for Vatican in Galileo Case - Los Angeles Times

Assuming that vaping isn't stamped out in the meantime, we shouldn't have to wait quite that long.