Just flipping thru TV channels - Oprah Winfrey was having a program on quitting smoking accompanied by a Dr. Oz
Shame on her - no mention of e-cigs!!
Shame on her - no mention of e-cigs!!
E-cigs in the Media
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one can assume all will be hunky dory when the world gets wind of the e cig.. i dont.. i assume they will get "healthed" only available as stop smoking devices from a pharmacy at extortionate prices..
or taxed.. available but expensive.. or simply banned altogether.. it all depends where one lives..
in the UK no way can i see em simply appearing in the local shops.. a neat self contained battery powered drug induction device which could in theory contain and deliver any drug solution thats put into it..
the UK government is already considering making the sale of marijuana "paraphernalia" illegal.. i can seeing em loving the arrival of the e-cig.. he he he he
trog
or taxed.. available but expensive.. or simply banned altogether.. it all depends where one lives..
in the UK no way can i see em simply appearing in the local shops.. a neat self contained battery powered drug induction device which could in theory contain and deliver any drug solution thats put into it..
the UK government is already considering making the sale of marijuana "paraphernalia" illegal.. i can seeing em loving the arrival of the e-cig.. he he he he
trog
I'm with you Trog, only more pessimistic.
Let's see: (1) The liquid is poison; (2) the devices are smuggled into the country under falsified invoices; (3) the nicotine comes from Cuban tobacco and Americans are barred from buying anything from Cuba; (4) there are no taxes to be collected; (5) there is no safety assurance about what we're inhaling into our lungs -- no regulation at all, in fact; (6) and big losers here are Big Tobacco, Big Pharmaceutical and Big Brother.
Now what chance do you give e-smoking once the authorities focus on it? An article today on quitting nicotine by Jane Brody of the NYTimes didn't even once mention e-smoking. Oprah today on quitting didn't once mention e-smoking. NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT THIS. So far this sneak attack from China has gone under the radar. Once it's spotted by a health nut fringe group, a senator will be alerted who will then involve the federal government in the U.S.
My guess at the verdict: This is a drug delivery device that is illegal because it has not been proven safe and effective in rigorous clinical testing required of all NRT products. It will be called many other things before it's banned. (Note that Big Tobacco is betting on snus to provide some profits while cigarette sales decline; Big Pharamaceutical is betting on $14 billion a year from patches, gums and crap as smokers try to quit; and Big Brother badly needs ever-more tobacco tax money).
E-smoking has no friends in high places.
Let's see: (1) The liquid is poison; (2) the devices are smuggled into the country under falsified invoices; (3) the nicotine comes from Cuban tobacco and Americans are barred from buying anything from Cuba; (4) there are no taxes to be collected; (5) there is no safety assurance about what we're inhaling into our lungs -- no regulation at all, in fact; (6) and big losers here are Big Tobacco, Big Pharmaceutical and Big Brother.
Now what chance do you give e-smoking once the authorities focus on it? An article today on quitting nicotine by Jane Brody of the NYTimes didn't even once mention e-smoking. Oprah today on quitting didn't once mention e-smoking. NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT THIS. So far this sneak attack from China has gone under the radar. Once it's spotted by a health nut fringe group, a senator will be alerted who will then involve the federal government in the U.S.
My guess at the verdict: This is a drug delivery device that is illegal because it has not been proven safe and effective in rigorous clinical testing required of all NRT products. It will be called many other things before it's banned. (Note that Big Tobacco is betting on snus to provide some profits while cigarette sales decline; Big Pharamaceutical is betting on $14 billion a year from patches, gums and crap as smokers try to quit; and Big Brother badly needs ever-more tobacco tax money).
E-smoking has no friends in high places.
TropicalBob said:
Well, that's not true.
NJOY is a company right here in the states.
I'm sure the tobacco lobbyist are doing everything in their power to keep the e-cig out of site.
I just ordered cartridge from China, and the seller wrote me that the info on the package is "gift".
That will help *me* to get it through customs. BUT he's not responsible..................
Hello......
I order, I pay him, he decides what to put on the package as far as contents are, I have no control over that.
I think prices are way over, but we are guinea pigs.....
Njoy is simply a reseller. We have no manufacturers in the U.S. All products sold in the U.S. are made in China. All are imported.
Big Tobacco has its own devices to sell (the Heatbar, etc, see other threads on this forum). But it's suffering an "image problem" at the moment. It will gladly work behind the scenes to demolish any chance of e-devices being widely available. It's Big Pharmaceutical that has the clout now. Big Brother will listen closely to them. Wait and watch this unfold. Big Pharm has drugs to sell. Big Brother has taxes to collect. E-smoking is a sandspur on an elephant.
And you do know that it's Big Pharmaceutical that funds the anti-tobacco groups, don't you? You think those groups will welcome a device that looks like a cigarette? What are the odds they'll throw open their arms in welcome? Slim? What are the odds they'll say it confuses the no-smoking laws? Excellent. Read some Food and Drug Administration rulings from a few years ago and you'll find that agency will not welcome anything that even remotely resembles a cigarette.
The seller lied on your package. No one blames YOU. But the seller could have imports frozen by Customs. Fraud is reason enough. You saw it with your own delivery. "Gift" = fraud. All it takes is a check mark on a "banned" imports list. Then it affects you.
Big Tobacco has its own devices to sell (the Heatbar, etc, see other threads on this forum). But it's suffering an "image problem" at the moment. It will gladly work behind the scenes to demolish any chance of e-devices being widely available. It's Big Pharmaceutical that has the clout now. Big Brother will listen closely to them. Wait and watch this unfold. Big Pharm has drugs to sell. Big Brother has taxes to collect. E-smoking is a sandspur on an elephant.
And you do know that it's Big Pharmaceutical that funds the anti-tobacco groups, don't you? You think those groups will welcome a device that looks like a cigarette? What are the odds they'll throw open their arms in welcome? Slim? What are the odds they'll say it confuses the no-smoking laws? Excellent. Read some Food and Drug Administration rulings from a few years ago and you'll find that agency will not welcome anything that even remotely resembles a cigarette.
The seller lied on your package. No one blames YOU. But the seller could have imports frozen by Customs. Fraud is reason enough. You saw it with your own delivery. "Gift" = fraud. All it takes is a check mark on a "banned" imports list. Then it affects you.
It is too bad big tobacco does not join the 21st century. Smoking has an image problem and no amount of gizmo dressing will help that. The heatbar is ugly and cumbersome. It's usefulness is not even all that laudable.
Electronic cigarettes are a real innovation. Big tobacco could reap the profits if they just drop the notion that "tobacco is forever". They are selling plaid pants in a denim world.
Instead of fighting the trend they should back research and development. As drug pushers they are missing out on a whole new market. (not that I think anyone who does not smoke should use an e-cig)
Electronic cigarettes are a real innovation. Big tobacco could reap the profits if they just drop the notion that "tobacco is forever". They are selling plaid pants in a denim world.
Instead of fighting the trend they should back research and development. As drug pushers they are missing out on a whole new market. (not that I think anyone who does not smoke should use an e-cig)
I sure don't disagree, Quirky. But the bottom line is that Big Tobacco has one thing to sell -- tobacco. Devices like ours that don't use pure tobaccco aren't of much interest to them. Yes, the PM Heatbar is a joke, but it uses tobacco. That's why every major U.S. tobacco company is introducing snus, little pouches of tobacco named Camel, Marlboro, SkoalDry, Lucky Strike. Every single company now sells snus somewhere in the U.S, preparing for a nationwide rollout. That product, tucked between cheek and gums, is attractive to cigarette smokers wanting a nicotine fix in a discreet way. The nic hit is greater than e-smoking. The product can be used anywhere, invisibly. Most importantly to Big Tobacco, it uses tobacco. Southern farmers continue to grow crops, processors continue to cure it, and plants continue to wrap it .. in a new way.
I don't think that Big Tobacco is a drug pusher. It's a tobacco seller, and there's a difference. So I don't expect it to join the new drug delivery system called e-smoking, where a substance said to be as addictive as ....... or ...... is vaporized and then inhaled.
How would the anti-tobacco Nazis view e-smoking if Big Tobacco pushed it as an alternative to tobacco cigarettes? The roof would fall down. The products wouldn't stand a chance.
I don't think that Big Tobacco is a drug pusher. It's a tobacco seller, and there's a difference. So I don't expect it to join the new drug delivery system called e-smoking, where a substance said to be as addictive as ....... or ...... is vaporized and then inhaled.
How would the anti-tobacco Nazis view e-smoking if Big Tobacco pushed it as an alternative to tobacco cigarettes? The roof would fall down. The products wouldn't stand a chance.
for the record and a mainly american audience.. snus or a similar product was banned instantly in the UK as soon as a large company attempted to promote it as a safer alternative to smoking..
however nasal stuff is still okay (legal) no one has ever attempted to promote that.. its been around for ages and only old men and ex coal miners use it..
one thing is for sure.. my nicotine habit of many years needs feeding.. now i have found a safer alternative it aint gonna be easy to drive me back to tobbaco.. a happy bunny i wont be when they try to..
trog
however nasal stuff is still okay (legal) no one has ever attempted to promote that.. its been around for ages and only old men and ex coal miners use it..
one thing is for sure.. my nicotine habit of many years needs feeding.. now i have found a safer alternative it aint gonna be easy to drive me back to tobbaco.. a happy bunny i wont be when they try to..
trog
Well, if you get problems, just tell them the sender speaks german. Then, Gift is exactly what is in the package.sanneke said:
For more on the specifics of the FDA's past rulings, there's this thread on this forum: what-will-the-us-do--t46.html
P.S. The snus ban is an EU ban, with Sweden specifically exempted. Attempts are being made to overturn the ban, but that likely won't happen. And if something with a 300-year history of safe use in Sweden (snus) isn't allowed in England, then that tells you Trog what the likelihood is of e-smoking being accepted by government. There is nothing proven about e-smoking. Just compare our unregulated, untested Chinese E-Liquid to Sweden's food-grade demands for the purity of snus ...
P.S. The snus ban is an EU ban, with Sweden specifically exempted. Attempts are being made to overturn the ban, but that likely won't happen. And if something with a 300-year history of safe use in Sweden (snus) isn't allowed in England, then that tells you Trog what the likelihood is of e-smoking being accepted by government. There is nothing proven about e-smoking. Just compare our unregulated, untested Chinese E-Liquid to Sweden's food-grade demands for the purity of snus ...
Well they have been in the media here in the uk! Was watching a programme called This Morning, yesterday when they started talking about e cigs, and a well known doctor started puffing away on live telly! http://www.itv.com/Lifestyle/ThisMorning/Health/default.html
Unfortunately , I can't watch it...the video are meant for UK users only.....Good..at least more healthcare professionals are getting their hands in..hopefully this will signal the beginning of acceptance??trigger said:
Hey TB--what about the arguement that Big Tobaccco has the product to manufacturer nicotine "juice?" They own the fields--why not make use of the plants? They own the branding why not the CAMEL NANO? They still own the souls of millions of devoted addicts, why not cash in?
Personally, i think big tobacky is biding its time to see the tech glitches work out and the clinical trials to start rolling in. Once satisfied that they won't be facing billions of $$$'s in litigation anytime soon, I think Altria will move on Ruyan and acquire the patents...
Just thinking out loud :twisted:
Personally, i think big tobacky is biding its time to see the tech glitches work out and the clinical trials to start rolling in. Once satisfied that they won't be facing billions of $$$'s in litigation anytime soon, I think Altria will move on Ruyan and acquire the patents...
Just thinking out loud :twisted:
That's what I've been thinking. Whatever the end product, they still have the resources, manufacturing facilities, distribution channels, brand loyalties, etc. I see no reason why the Tobacco Industry needs to be opposed to these at all. They have to be preparing for the evnetual end of cigarettes. They have to be looking out for the next evolution. The only downside for them to e-cigs is not owning the patents, but as you point out, they can buy them. And who's got bigger bankbooks for that anyway? As you say, they're probably biding time, and probaby also watching the existing businesses, and users like us, gauging whether it has real potential or not.
That's a valid thought, for sure. Lots of huge companies let small startups take the initial risk, then buy them out once market acceptance has been proven. Everyone "wins" in this situation. And it's true that big companies often are so comfortable with the status quo that they won't take risks in research and development.
I think the biggest hurdle for e-smoking is the legal issue. These will pop onto the government radar some day soon. If they are legal to buy and use, then you might be right that Big Tobacco has the funds and power to purchase the e-cig makers (America's big guys have been trying their best to buy the big Swedish snus makers). And it's true that Big Tobacco already has access to the base product. And this is a lifelong addiction.
We are buying the shavers now. It's a one-time purchase. The real cash is in selling razor blades forever.
I think the biggest hurdle for e-smoking is the legal issue. These will pop onto the government radar some day soon. If they are legal to buy and use, then you might be right that Big Tobacco has the funds and power to purchase the e-cig makers (America's big guys have been trying their best to buy the big Swedish snus makers). And it's true that Big Tobacco already has access to the base product. And this is a lifelong addiction.
We are buying the shavers now. It's a one-time purchase. The real cash is in selling razor blades forever.
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