E cigs: precription only UK 2016

[louis1]

Hi,

so i just read that ecigs will be regulated as medicine by 2016 in the uk, if we can fight a total EU ban.

This is so devastating for millions of people who smoke and have moved to vapourising nicotine as a last resort, a clear demonstration that democracy is an mearly an illusion in the west.

The FDA, do not give two hoots about the health of the public, this can be proved if you research how the sweetner aspartame was released and the health concerns surrounding it. I cant help but wonder if theres certain depopulation agendas we are unaware of, this is why the FDA will constantly ignore the facts, they will keep calling ecigs tobacco products, they will keep saying nicotine is toxic, it will be like banging our heads against the wall.

once a person is diagnosed with cancer in this world, you are worth alot of money to a certain group of people in this world, these people sit on the board of all these agencys that are supposed to protect us. Im so annoyed by this. How can they justify banning something that WILL save many lives??? Money and profit, thats how. BIG PHARMA STRIKES AGAIN.

i believe vaping will be pushed to the blackmarket, or i hope it will (if banned). This is why i am going to master the art of DIY vaping. So i can continue to vape, illeagally maybe. But i dont care.

What do you guys think will happen if the FDA ban this?

 

[Jwaterski]

Maybe we can get it classified as a drug here in the states too! Then I can get a provari on my obamacare?

 

[Thrasher]

Key word is ban VS regulation. Cant speak for any other nation but our Govt values money above all else.

While they arent sure what or how they will do something yet, they know it will not be in the best interests of their wallets to outright ban something in the US, for as soon as they do it just goes underground and then they lose all control and forfeit the taxes they can receive

things like non tobacco accessories have been banned in many places for several years yet there are shops everywhere coughing up taxes from sales. and they know it.

get into DIY and stock the freezer with raw nic as this is the only part of the formulation that can be controlled, things like VG,PG, and food flavorings will not go anywhere. same thing with rebuildable supplies, they cant start taxing every company that makes fibreglass shower stalls because they use silica rope in the spray guns or stop companies from buying nichrome wire to make heating elements, just not going to happen.

over here it will be the same old product with a new description on the label, thats the way it has always worked. personally i could care less if they tax the crap out of njoys and blu's

nothing to do with the imposing ban but having stocked up myself i have 3 500ml bottles of 100mg nic for me that breaks down into a heck of a lot 10 mg flavored juice and will last a very long time.

Maybe we can get it classified as a drug here in the states too! Then I can get a provari on my obamacare?

the Obamavari

 

[Iquitcigs]

i will also vape illeagally if this happens with a small metal lahte and some batteries i can make an ecig and will start to stock pile my nicotine in the freezer soon i think that 10l would last me the rest of my life or a least give me enough time to taper my use of it off to 0 juice will always be available as i use vg from boots the chemist in my diy
may even be able to make some money selling home made mods! seriously though the only way we will stop this stupid way of thinking is to stop voting for them and get a new government this could and would have a terrible effect on our economic situation so its catch 22 thats the way i see it hopefully their way of thinking will improve if its medicine we may get our nicotine from the chemist on prescription which would be ok as it would be a flat rate here in the uk!

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

LOLLL as long as the Chinese are around in their capacity of ignoring the Western World's laws and practices we will never have to worry or be concerned about there being a lack of anything vape related. One of those rare times when we'll be able to appreciate a lack of ethics

 

[louis1]

i will also vape illeagally if this happens with a small metal lahte and some batteries i can make an ecig and will start to stock pile my nicotine in the freezer soon i think that 10l would last me the rest of my life or a least give me enough time to taper my use of it off to 0 juice will always be available as i use vg from boots the chemist in my diy
may even be able to make some money selling home made mods! seriously though the only way we will stop this stupid way of thinking is to stop voting for them and get a new government this could and would have a terrible effect on our economic situation so its catch 22 thats the way i see it hopefully their way of thinking will improve if its medicine we may get our nicotine from the chemist on prescription which would be ok as it would be a flat rate here in the uk!

Do you think it would be bottles of nicotine? I kinda think if its regulated as medicine, it will be the cigga like cartos only with taste of smoke machine and require a 15 minute pull to get a slight throat hit. :-(

I can live with tobacco flavoured liquids only, as long as we have mods to vape through. It all so worrying

 

[louis1]

Then I can get a provari on my obamacare?

Hahaha, brilliant

 

[molimelight]

Nothing to do with the imposing ban but having stocked up myself i have 3 500ml bottles of 100mg nic for me that breaks down into a heck of a lot 10 mg flavored juice and will last a very long time.

I've been thinking about this myself. Does anyone happen to know what the shelf life of nicotine is?

 

[louis1]

Key word is ban VS regulation. Cant speak for any other nation but our Govt values money above all else.

This is true, i guess it comes down to what will bring them more money, taxes from ecig sales, or share profits from companies like glaxosmithkline, who make cancer treatment drugs.

Ecig taxes = great for overall economy

Big pharma profits = great for individual shareholders (which include big players in american politics such as rockafellas)

Since when has the business men that run america cared about the wellbeing of the overall economy? Look at the privately owned federal reserve, it sinks the whole of the american economy in debt, its made that way, but a few very very stinking rich.

But i hope you are right.

 

[louis1]

LOLLL as long as the Chinese are around in their capacity of ignoring the Western World's laws and practices we will never have to worry or be concerned about there being a lack of anything vape related. One of those rare times when we'll be able to appreciate a lack of ethics

Haha, very true.. Great comment

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

My bigger concern is how Ecig regulation (UK and U.S.) will affect this Forum in regards to the laws enacted.

 

[ryanmacl]

The big problem is how do you tax it? They use it as an insecticide, so they can't tax it per mg, or it would drop that off the market in a heartbeat. If they didn't, you could just buy the insecticide and extract it yourself (or someone could for you). It would create a black market for nicotine just like the prohibition days.

 

[3bet]

This is true, i guess it comes down to what will bring them more money, taxes from ecig sales, or share profits from companies like glaxosmithkline, who make cancer treatment drugs.

Ecig taxes = great for overall economy

Big pharma profits = great for individual shareholders (which include big players in american politics such as rockafellas)

Since when has the business men that run america cared about the wellbeing of the overall economy? Look at the privately owned federal reserve, it sinks the whole of the american economy in debt, its made that way, but a few very very stinking rich.

But i hope you are right.

You're missing some important things here. Big Pharma has dug itself into the lobbying business and rubs shoulders with lots of lawmakers. E-cigs haven't had the time to build up large reserves of cash to outspend Big Pharma with lobbyists of their own. It's the old, "Lets get rich and barricade the door." routine.

Business men that run the U.S. care a great deal about the well being of the overall economy. If the economy doesn't do well neither do they. You can't sell a 3D TV to a person with no place to put it.

As for the Fed its just like the lobbyists. They have already arrived so they don't care what happens if they barricade the door and sink the economy. They unfortunately feel like the ends justify the means. So in a lot of ways they are fighting the business man too. Think of all the stores that will lose business and hate this type of law.

 

[Iquitcigs]

Do you think it would be bottles of nicotine? I kinda think if its regulated as medicine, it will be the cigga like cartos only with taste of smoke machine and require a 15 minute pull to get a slight throat hit. :-(

I can live with tobacco flavoured liquids only, as long as we have mods to vape through. It all so worrying

i would hope that it not but i am sure of one thing if thousands of people can get illegal drugs we will get our nicotine just may be from other sources not the local vape shop i have spent 20 years smoking other herbs if you know what i mean and that was easy to get everywhere even on vacations i managed to still get that all over the world

 

[AttyPops]

It is, and always has been, about access to nic.
If you're worried, stock up. I have only about a year or so's worth in the freezer. Sad. Maybe will be able to get more before "the lock". Then we'll all be buying little mini pre-filled cartos from BT for $3.00 each.

^^^^^ Hope I'm wrong.

 

[louis1]

i would hope that it not but i am sure of one thing if thousands of people can get illegal drugs we will get our nicotine just may be from other sources not the local vape shop i have spent 20 years smoking other herbs if you know what i mean and that was easy to get everywhere even on vacations i managed to still get that all over the world

No what do you mean "other herbs"? Basil??

Hehe, yeah same here... Its true illegal substances are always easy to get hold off, and nicotine will be no different.

 

[stylezuk]

If you have a Twitter account from 8pm to 10pm UK time there is a twitterbomb against the #euecigban.

WHAT YOU NEED TO DO:
Get a Twitter Account at www.twitter.com (if you don't have one already) and tweet your thoughts on ecigs and the EU Ecig ban at the time this event takes place. Your tweet has to include

#ecig

and

#EUecigBAN

On twitter when many people use the same hashtag, the topic get's more and more popular and shows up on other peoples twitter front pages. In the past this has often been a powerful tool to raise awareness and attention to certain topics.

WHEN DO WE NEED TO DO THAT?
Sunday December 15th
UK: 8-10pm
Germany: 21-23 Uhr
US East Coast: 3-5pm
US West Coast: 11am-1pm
Philippines: 4am-6am

Also feel free to tweet any time that day, bus especially in these two hours.

Please show your support.

 

[vaperature]

I'm almost sorry that I discovered DIY. I really was enjoying getting juices from different vendors and trying them out but now I just can't bring myself to buy 15ml for $7 to $10 when I can make it myself for about $1. You bring up a good point. A lot of people want vaping recognized as a nicotine secession device but if that happens it will be classified as a pharmaceutical and then be regulated with all the restrictions applied to that. So be glad that the government refuses to recognize it for what it obviously is. The longer its existing in its anarchic state the better for all of us.

 

[louis1]

You're missing some important things here. Big Pharma has dug itself into the lobbying business and rubs shoulders with lots of lawmakers. E-cigs haven't had the time to build up large reserves of cash to outspend Big Pharma with lobbyists of their own. It's the old, "Lets get rich and barricade the door." routine.

Business men that run the U.S. care a great deal about the well being of the overall economy. If the economy doesn't do well neither do they. You can't sell a 3D TV to a person with no place to put it.

As for the Fed its just like the lobbyists. They have already arrived so they don't care what happens if they barricade the door and sink the economy. They unfortunately feel like the ends justify the means. So in a lot of ways they are fighting the business man too. Think of all the stores that will lose business and hate this type of law.

I agree mate, but i dont agree that a strong economy is good for certain people in power. Let me give you an example, its a little iff topic but shows the manipulation even so long ago, so imagine the complex manipulation now.

It involves a family that pretty much own all central banking systems of the world including the federal reserve. The house of rothschilds.

When the duke of wellington left to fight neopolian, both sides funded by the rothschilds as all wars are..
Wellington actually defeated neopolian, but communication not being what it is now, the rothschilds spread the word the duke had lost and french forces were on there way, widespread panic occured mainly in london, which caused stocks to crash rapidly, the rothschilds brought up everything very quickly for a very low price, it soon became apparent wellington won, the economy eventually rose and the rothschilds were much richer than before the war for a fraction of the price, all for a rumour they spread.

So when an economy struggles, look to whos still making money, markets are manipulated from a high level even then, imagine the tactics used now.

So the point im trying to make is, that the REAL players in this world, bankers, big pharma, weapon manufacturers etc.. Do not give a toss about the overall economy of which only our lives are affected. NOT THERES, they dont care if sony cant sell a 3d tv.. So dont think the taxes ecigs could provide would compensate the pharmaceutical business makes from illness.

 

[louis1]

If you have a Twitter account from 8pm to 10pm UK time there is a twitterbomb against the #euecigban.

WHAT YOU NEED TO DO:
Get a Twitter Account at www.twitter.com (if you don't have one already) and tweet your thoughts on ecigs and the EU Ecig ban at the time this event takes place. Your tweet has to include

#ecig

and

#EUecigBAN

On twitter when many people use the same hashtag, the topic get's more and more popular and shows up on other peoples twitter front pages. In the past this has often been a powerful tool to raise awareness and attention to certain topics.

WHEN DO WE NEED TO DO THAT?
Sunday December 15th
UK: 8-10pm
Germany: 21-23 Uhr
US East Coast: 3-5pm
US West Coast: 11am-1pm
Philippines: 4am-6am

Also feel free to tweet any time that day, bus especially in these two hours.

Please show your support.

Nice one, im on it