FDA e-cigs = tobacco product

[FireDragon1138]

That seems to be the way things are going with regulation, is that correct?

 

[glassgal]

0 nic is not a tobacco product.
mods and atomizers can be used to vape 0 nic.
Therefore, mods and atomizers are not a tobacco product.

 

[FireDragon1138]

0 nic is not a tobacco product.
Mods and atomizers can be used to vape 0 nic.
Therefore, mods and atomizers are not a tobacco product.

The FDA doesn't, at present, regulate tobacco pipes either, but pipe tobacco now falls under FDA jurisdiction.

I'll rephrase, e-liquid is now a tobacco product.

 

[Rickajho]

The FDA doesn't, at present, regulate tobacco pipes either, but pipe tobacco now falls under FDA jurisdiction.

I'll rephrase, e-liquid is now a tobacco product.

That, in the most narrow definition of the issue, is really the only thing the FDA can address with regulation - the nicotine or liquids containing nicotine. The idea that you can regulate by intention - that lithium battery is intended to be used in an e-cig but not that same battery when it's used in a flashlight - is ridiculous.

 

[Ryedan]

The FDA doesn't, at present, regulate tobacco pipes either, but pipe tobacco now falls under FDA jurisdiction.

I'll rephrase, e-liquid is now a tobacco product.

That is what is proposed for as I understand it to be juice with nic. No actual change has happened yet.

 

[Dougiestyle]

I'm OK with regulation and standards of practice for nicotine liquid production.

Anything else vape related that the FDA tries to regulate should be met with firm opposition. It is not reasonable for them to address electronic devices, nor is it their job.

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[tj99959]

I'm OK with regulation and standards of practice for nicotine liquid production.

Anything else vape related that the FDA tries to regulate should be met with firm opposition. It is not reasonable for them to address electronic devices, nor is it their job.

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It's the cost of regulating those liquids that we need to worry about. As I read the regs. every ingredient of every flavor a vendor makes needs to be certified at $1,500.00/ingredient. Doesn't matter if the already FDA approved PG was approved for the last flavor, it needs to be approved again for the next flavor.

 

[glassgal]

It's the cost of regulating those liquids that we need to worry about. As I read the regs. every ingredient of every flavor a vendor makes needs to be certified at $1,500.00/ingredient. Doesn't matter if the already FDA approved PG was approved for the last flavor, it needs to be approved again for the next flavor.

Nah... both PG and VG are GRAS ('generally recognized as safe') category, so they can be used in anything. It's the nic and the flavors they are going to scrutinize. We know they don't mind pg or vg because these are currently used in asthma inhalers... which have the intention of hitting the lungs.

We technically only have 2 things to be concerned about. There's no way to make nicotine illegal, smoking is legal.

So, we worry about TAXES on nicotine, because cigs are taxed... but there's exceptions already, cigars and pipe tobacco are not taxed like cigarettes.

And whether ONLINE sales is legal (you can't buy cigs online because they bypass state taxes). You can't legally buy cigs online, even if you can buy RYO ingredients online (tobacco and filters).

 

[CassiusCloud]

Really if vg and pg are mixed with flavors and no nicotine. that kind of takes it out of their hands doesn't it?
Since that wouldn't be a tobacco product..
It would be more like a miracle diet aid for curbing snacks lol

 

[Gato del Jugo]

I'm OK with regulation and standards of practice for nicotine liquid production.

The industry can't do that on their own..?

Trade association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Why does the federal government feel the need to step in?

(I already know the answer to that...)

 

[MikeNice81]

The industry can't do that on their own..?

Trade association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Why does the federal government feel the need to step in?

(I already know the answer to that...)

The better question is, why do so many people think they need the government to baby sit them?

 

[Kent C]

Some might want to take a look at this:


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-economic-impact-analysis-9.html#post13010038

 

[scartn]

0 nic is not a tobacco product.
Mods and atomizers can be used to vape 0 nic.
Therefore, mods and atomizers are not a tobacco product.

And that makes it useless for most people.

 

[scartn]

The better question is, why do so many people think they need the government to baby sit them?

Because that's what they have been taught over the last 30 years.