E-juice in clearomizers: do not use list.

[Cyrus Vap]

where does acrylic fall into this? some tanks are acrylic I believe? Sorry organic chem was a long time ago

 

[cindycated]

In terms of chemical resistance and durability, I kinda remember acrylic being at the bottom of the barrel. Can't find the vid now, and I don't know what solvent they were using, but it was a time-elapsed test on acrylic, 2 different types of polycarbonate, and the Eastman Tritan stuff. Didn't take much at all to crack the acrylic.

 

[EleanorR]

Congratulations on the JOB, Cindy!!!!

 

[guesswhoy0]

Is it true that menthols and mint flavors shouldn't be used also?

 

[Baditude]

Is it true that menthols and mint flavors shouldn't be used also?

Not true. Those two are not on the expanding list at the beginning of this thread (see link). I've personally used SI's Ice Menthol in two of SI's clearos without issue.

Now, wintergreen is on the list.

 

[Imagine]

congrats cindy

Congratulations on the JOB, Cindy!!!!

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[rave]

Congrats on the job Cindy!!

I've heard mixed reviews on the longer wicks. Some like 'em better - Some, not so much.

 

[CatLady007]

This stuff is still clear, and it's gaining popularity as a substitute for polycarbonate, because it's greener (no BPAs), tougher and more chemical resistant (especially the medical grade version): Eastman Tritan Copolyester
It forms a lot like PC too, so companies can actually keep using the same molds and processes that they already have in place. Maybe the "PCPGPX1001" composition is something similar (the Chinese version maybe)...and I agree - just making it thicker won't do a damn thing if it's still PC. Ah, the wonders of technology...

Sorry, Imagine. I promised you I wasn't gonna harass you about plastics anymore, but just couldn't resist adding this in...
...but hurry up and fix it - I just got a job and will be shopping for these very soon! (finally, after 5 months)

So just to recap: better plastic and the Fu Man Chu wicks!

cindycated!!!!

Yayyyy!!! A job! Tell us. Tell us all about it. You go, girl! I knew you'd get there.

 

[bypassoverload]

I have been running Bobas Bounty for about a month in my clearo with no issues

 

[Bizzar1]

Either way I think a better material needs to be used rather than all of us guinea pigs finding out what works and doesn't work at $7 a pop. The whole purpose was convenience vs the cartos and at this rate, I might as well ditch the whole idea and go diy tank style. I would much rather not as those are just massive and silly looking.

As much as I love SI I am very hesitant to order more clearos as I am afraid many of the flavors I enjoy cannot be used in the clearomizers they provide. I also do not wish to constantly check a black list when I feel the need to try a new flavor nor do I want to be the guinea pig testing out these questionable or never tried flavors for compatibility as I am on a tight budget. Being somewhat new to vaping I have YET to turn that corner into the "it's cheaper than analogs" due to start up costs, upgrades and flavor testing trying to find that comfort zone that will get me through an entire day. My wife is very happy I found an alternative to smoking however, she is not so happy with all my spending in doing so.

Rather than test the actual material used in making these clearomizers with various flavors, I feel that companies find it much easier to just slap on a disclaimer, keep manufacturing costs as cheap as possible and let the public accept it is what it is and that's all there is to it. After my clearo cracked I turned here, the internet to see if I was alone. Turns out this is very common amongst many manufacturers yet very little is being done by it. Nope. Just keep selling them and stick a warning label and disclaimer with it. That imho is garbage. I would rather spend a little bit more, not worry about how it looks as much as how it performs and have a top notch product in the end.

 

[Konstantine]

WHAT the hell is inside those liquids? Dissolving plastics is a strange thing when it comes to chemicals.
Example: Plexiglass can be dissolved with chloroform...
I wonder what you guys vape! Too many chemicals are beeing used on e-liquids these days.
The simpler the better, just when you have useless stuff you are trying to make it better by adding chems.

 

[marlou]

WHAT the hell is inside those liquids? Dissolving plastics is a strange thing when it comes to chemicals.
Example: Plexiglass can be dissolved with chloroform...
I wonder what you guys vape! Too many chemicals are beeing used on e-liquids these days.
The simpler the better, just when you have useless stuff you are trying to make it better by adding chems.

Yeah.....I'm thinking that instead of having to come up with stronger and stronger plastic, maybe work on making those clearo-eating nicquids less corrosive.

 

[trichman]

I have vaped Ice Menthol, Strawberry-Watermelon, Kiwi Kooker, Strawberry, Blue Melon, ECblend Dragon Tears, and haven't experienced any problems except that I love Dragon Tears so much I had to order a huge bottle of it.

 

[Baditude]

Yeah.....I'm thinking that instead of having to come up with stronger and stronger plastic, maybe work on making those clearo-eating nicquids less corrosive.

I'm not rattling the cage, but I am a proponent of choice. I'm looking at both sides of the argument. Say a popular juice vendor has earned a stellar reputation by using specific ingredients but a few of those flavors causes the breakdown of polycarbonate. Said ingredients are decided to be essential to the final juice product. Should that vendor need to change those ingredients to appease whatever percentage of customers put their juice in polycarbonate holders? Afterall, that recipe more than likely has been around longer than the polycarbonate containers that have recently sprung onto the scene.

Here is a thread from one of those juice vendors whose ingredients are known to destroy polycarbonate plastics: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ms-ts-bakery/292291-lava-tanks-tubes-clearomizers.html

The clearomizers are a great idea whose manufacturing process with materials and design is still a work in progress. Originally, polycarbonate was a good choice...it was perfectly clear to allow easy viewing access to the liquid level, it was cheap, it could easily be formed/shaped during the manufacturing process, and it was relatively durable aside from a few liquids that reacted as solvents. (to be continued)

 

[Baditude]

Yeah.....I'm thinking that instead of having to come up with stronger and stronger plastic, maybe work on making those clearo-eating nicquids less corrosive.

I also believe clearo manufacturers should continue to improve their products, with the ability to safely use protentially caustic juice ingredents as one of their improvements. Some manufacturers/distributors have jumped on the boat already. There are known alternative materials from polycarbonate (polypropylene, delrin, etc) already. Although those products are still quite open for improvements, I applaud those manufacturers/distributors' innovation and saviness to grab that part of the customer base.

 

[marlou]

I'm not rattling the cage, but I am a proponent of choice. I'm looking at both sides of the argument. Say a popular juice vendor has earned a stellar reputation by using specific ingredients but a few of those flavors causes the breakdown of polycarbonate. Said ingredients are decided to be essential to the final juice product. Should that vendor need to change those ingredients to appease whatever percentage of customers put their juice in polycarbonate holders? Afterall, that recipe more than likely has been around longer than the polycarbonate containers that have recently sprung onto the scene.

Here is a thread from one of those juice vendors whose ingredients are known to destroy polycarbonate plastics: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ms-ts-bakery/292291-lava-tanks-tubes-clearomizers.html

The clearomizers are a great idea whose manufacturing process with materials and design is still a work in progress. Originally, polycarbonate was a good choice...it was perfectly clear to allow easy viewing access to the liquid level, it was cheap, it could easily be formed/shaped during the manufacturing process, and it was relatively durable aside from a few liquids that reacted as solvents. (to be continued)

Thanks for posting the link, it was interesting reading. I like what you said about looking at both sides of the argument. As we well know, there are almost always two sides.

I really don't even have a dog in this hunt. I don't use any of the flavors reported to crack tanks and clearos and don't use tanks. The two clearos I have are performing great and I'll get a few more, but I still like SI's cartos and will use them the majority of the time.

Vaping hardware has changed dramatically in a short time and continues to change. There are bound to be some growing pains. Discussions about any problems are good: for keeping us informed and for letting those who make the products aware of the problems and our opinions. I believe the feedback manufacturers receive (especially complaints) is what leads them to work on improvements. It's that squeaky wheel thing.

 

[Baditude]

Either way I think a better material needs to be used rather than all of us guinea pigs finding out what works and doesn't work at $7 a pop. The whole purpose was convenience vs the cartos and at this rate, I might as well ditch the whole idea and go diy tank style. I would much rather not as those are just massive and silly looking.

As much as I love SI I am very hesitant to order more clearos as I am afraid many of the flavors I enjoy cannot be used in the clearomizers they provide. I also do not wish to constantly check a black list when I feel the need to try a new flavor nor do I want to be the guinea pig testing out these questionable or never tried flavors for compatibility as I am on a tight budget. Being somewhat new to vaping I have YET to turn that corner into the "it's cheaper than analogs" due to start up costs, upgrades and flavor testing trying to find that comfort zone that will get me through an entire day. My wife is very happy I found an alternative to smoking however, she is not so happy with all my spending in doing so.

Rather than test the actual material used in making these clearomizers with various flavors, I feel that companies find it much easier to just slap on a disclaimer, keep manufacturing costs as cheap as possible and let the public accept it is what it is and that's all there is to it. After my clearo cracked I turned here, the internet to see if I was alone. Turns out this is very common amongst many manufacturers yet very little is being done by it. Nope. Just keep selling them and stick a warning label and disclaimer with it. That imho is garbage. I would rather spend a little bit more, not worry about how it looks as much as how it performs and have a top notch product in the end.

And this is the other side of the argument of my above post. If vendors wish to keep the majority of their customer base, they must be on the lookout for better products, even go so far as work directly with the manufacturers to make improvents to satisfy the customer.

So instead of just putting a disclaimer about using certain juices that will void any warranty with their product, the distributors must demand better improvements and products from the manufacterors.

 

[Imagine]

First let me say SI is always looking to improve the quality of our products...and and we will be happy to adjust the materials as soon as we find something appropriate. We are aware of the issue... we are not ignorant to it nor are we hiding our head in the sand about it. The current ones do work with 90% of the nicquids on the market.

These are very new ...and changes to them are being made to them as soon as a new batch is in the air to ship... so we are trying our best to make sure we are carrying the latest advances. We can not just snap our fingers and make changes overnight or wave a wand and make changes to what we have in stock

So yes as soon as we can we will be carrying a type that will be less reactive with those kind of ingredients.

That being said...there is definitely something to be said about any such corrosive ingredients...and if you want to be inhaling them in the first place. None of our liquids have such ingredients.

 

[firechick]

This stuff is still clear, and it's gaining popularity as a substitute for polycarbonate, because it's greener (no BPAs), tougher and more chemical resistant (especially the medical grade version): Eastman Tritan Copolyester
It forms a lot like PC too, so companies can actually keep using the same molds and processes that they already have in place. Maybe the "PCPGPX1001" composition is something similar (the Chinese version maybe)...and I agree - just making it thicker won't do a damn thing if it's still PC. Ah, the wonders of technology...

What do you think Jen? Would sale of this in a clearo save Kodak?

 

[Baditude]

First let me say SI is always looking to improve the quality of our products...and and we will be happy to adjust the materials as soon as we find something appropriate. We are aware of the issue... we are not ignorant to it nor are we hiding our head in the sand about it. The current ones do work with 90% of the nicquids on the market.

These are very new ...and changes to them are being made to them as soon as a new batch is in the air to ship... so we are trying our best to make sure we are carrying the latest advances. We can not just snap our fingers and make changes overnight or wave a wand and make changes to what we have in stock

So yes as soon as we can we will be carrying a type that will be less reactive with those kind of ingredients.

That being said...there is definitely something to be said about any such corrosive ingredients...and if you want to be inhaling them in the first place. None of our liquids have such ingredients.

I appreciate you commenting on the subject openly and honestly. We all know Smokeless Image is among the top vendors for many reasons, not in the least in that you listen to your customers' needs and hold a competitive edge in cutting edge hardware within your niche. Your products seem to be proven before being offered for sale. Loyal customers are assured that given time, their wants and needs in all likelyhood will be met. In no way has any of my ccriticisms been directed to Smokeless Image, and comments about other manufacturers/distributors were meant to be constructive in nature.