E-Juice Manufacturing Safety

[BillyTheWild]

This is just an open-ended question. I know there will be no definitely answer. Just want to hear your experience and/or thoughts on this.

I want to make clear that I am NOT talking whether e-liquid/vaping is safe or not. I am talking about juice manufacturing. As far as I know, there is no government "regulations" in the USA specifically for e-juice mmanufacturing - am I wrong? And I realize that a lot juice makers are "backyard" brewers, so to speak - not saying there is anything wrong w/ that. But the question is, how do you know the manufacturing process is up to "codes", since there is no "codes"? How do you know if the facility and tools, etc., are even sanitary? And, I am asking this not just about juices from individual mixologists, but every juice maker, big and small. Is there any prof. association/consortium out there that set some "codes" of standards for juice makers? If not, should there be?

 

[obsidianchao]

I just read a thread that had one, but I forgot. That said, a lot of it is up to trust. Remember that these are fellow vapers who want to help the community, not hurt them.

 

[Talyon]

I Hear your question and it's a valid one, but believe me there's no guarentee of sanitary anything no matter how many regulations are deemed by any amount of governance anywhere. The food industry is ripe with regulations etc etc etc so are any food preparers commercially or industrial. Yet people still get food poisoning etc etc etc.

Now I'm not saying that regulation isn't nessecary I believe it should be. But I'm not one to trust my government or yours to protect me from faulty anything.

 

[jSquared]

I used to get a bit hung up on this and, to this day, I'm quite fussy about who I buy from. But what I've come to realise is that there are so many ingredients in conventional cigarettes that I didn't even know were in there or that I can barely even pronounce. So now it seems a bit silly to be so selective about what I vape when I didn't give a flying monkey's about what I smoked!

JJ

 

[Iusedtoanalog]

Hi Billy, To anser your question, yes there is(sort of) ....... AEMSA | American E-Liquid Manufacturing Standards Association This is the american e-liquid manufacturers standards association They started rather recent in memory say under a year ago...... look around their site. They do have a comprehensive list of best practices as well as certification inspections . I thought this would have been a great boon for the us liquid mixologists but it appears that only a handfull of folks decided it was a good fit for their bussiness model.

 

[Horselady154]

This is just an open-ended question. I know there will be no definitely answer. Just want to hear your experience and/or thoughts on this.

I want to make clear that I am NOT talking whether e-liquid/vaping is safe or not. I am talking about juice manufacturing. As far as I know, there is no government "regulations" in the USA specifically for e-juice mmanufacturing - am I wrong? And I realize that a lot juice makers are "backyard" brewers, so to speak - not saying there is anything wrong w/ that. But the question is, how do you know the manufacturing process is up to "codes", since there is no "codes"? How do you know if the facility and tools, etc., are even sanitary? And, I am asking this not just about juices from individual mixologists, but every juice maker, big and small. Is there any prof. association/consortium out there that set some "codes" of standards for juice makers? If not, should there be?

I would like to see the industry be afforded the opportunity to mature to the point that we have something akin to the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval for various aspects related to e-cigarettes. I would much prefer that to government regulations. Don't forget that it was the FDA who approved a number of drugs that years later were found to have caused a lot of damage to the people who put their trust in the almighty government's approval.

 

[BillyTheWild]

Yes, I too think that it'll be great if there is some sort of "Seal of Approval" or Certification thing that vapers will and can trust. I mean, like, a manufacturer may say they don't use diacetyl but how do we know for sure. It'll be great if there is an organization a juice maker can join and have their manufacturing facility and the products certified. Maybe the AEMSA should consider that.

 

[NancyR]

This is just an open-ended question. I know there will be no definitely answer. Just want to hear your experience and/or thoughts on this.

I want to make clear that I am NOT talking whether e-liquid/vaping is safe or not. I am talking about juice manufacturing. As far as I know, there is no government "regulations" in the USA specifically for e-juice mmanufacturing - am I wrong? And I realize that a lot juice makers are "backyard" brewers, so to speak - not saying there is anything wrong w/ that. But the question is, how do you know the manufacturing process is up to "codes", since there is no "codes"? How do you know if the facility and tools, etc., are even sanitary? And, I am asking this not just about juices from individual mixologists, but every juice maker, big and small. Is there any prof. association/consortium out there that set some "codes" of standards for juice makers? If not, should there be?

Many juice makers will gladly show you pics or answer questions sort of recipes on how and where they mix.

Hi Billy, To anser your question, yes there is(sort of) ....... AEMSA | American E-Liquid Manufacturing Standards Association This is the american e-liquid manufacturers standards association They started rather recent in memory say under a year ago...... look around their site. They do have a comprehensive list of best practices as well as certification inspections . I thought this would have been a great boon for the us liquid mixologists but it appears that only a handfull of folks decided it was a good fit for their bussiness model.

The reason more juice makers are not in aemsa, is because it is a joke for smaller mixers. They want exact recipes and other information that why would a juice maker who wasn't part of them from the planing stage want to give.

 

[Iusedtoanalog]

The reason more juice makers are not in aemsa, is because it is a joke for smaller mixers. They want exact recipes and other information that why would a juice maker who wasn't part of them from the planing stage want to give.

This is what I gather from reading their guidelines, I am such a dork for vaping that I actually downloaded the entire manual(months ago) and read through it as if it was my mortgage proposal........ All good ideas in theory but for a small vendor being able to comply with their standards must be stifling to say the least......

 

[BillyTheWild]

Many juice makers will gladly show you pics or answer questions sort of recipes on how and where they mix.

But that's just it - how do you be sure you are getting a impartial, accurate and honest answer/pics from someone who has a stake in it. Not saying that they won't but as a consumer you just don't know. I think it's best done by a 3rd party. Like, I read what they say on NicQuid's site. It sounds wonderful and professional and high standard and all that, but for all I know they may be just a 12 y.o. boy brewing the juice in his tree house - not saying that it is the case but how do I know?

The reason more juice makers are not in aemsa, is because it is a joke for smaller mixers. They want exact recipes and other information that why would a juice maker who wasn't part of them from the planing stage want to give.

I don't know about the "other information" they request, but I don't see a problem with revealing the exact recipes to them if the organization has a strictly enforced policy of keeping the recipes confidential.

 

[NancyR]

But that's just it - how do you be sure you are getting a impartial, accurate and honest answer/pics from someone who has a stake in it. Not saying that they won't but as a consumer you just don't know. I think it's best done by a 3rd party. Like, I read what they say on NicQuid's site. It sounds wonderful and professional and high standard and all that, but for all I know they may be just a 12 y.o. boy brewing the juice in his tree house - not saying that it is the case but how do I know?

I don't know about the "other information" they request, but I don't see a problem with revealing the exact recipes to them if the organization has a strictly enforced policy of keeping the recipes confidential.

A few have gone so far as to make vids, one guy has even visited a couple of the places. As to the why it could be a problem to give out recipes and other info to aemsa, is keep in mind, aemsa has NO official standing anywhere, they are other juice makers, nothing more. So just as you don't know if people are telling the truth on where they mix, why should mixers believe if they give their recipes over to other mixers they won't be used?

 

[Racehorse]

So just as you don't know if people are telling the truth on where they mix, why should mixers believe if they give their recipes over to other mixers they won't be used?

Any vendor's recipes are NOT more important than the health and safety of even ONE human being.

I cry crocodile tears here. Esp. if they're assured their recipes won't be shared.

Plenty of other businesses to go in that don't involve other human beings putting what you make into their bodies.

Sell topsoil or something then.

I'm still getting "i don' know" answers from vendors about diacetyls (even though once you know the flavorings they use you can ascertain that for yourself).

 

[Boiler]

Indeed. I vape unflavored.

 

[shynsly]

As i have only started and only bought a few pre mixed juices i am no expert. But i was also concerned as to the accuracy of what these vendors are putting in their juice. I decided right away that DYI gives me comfort in that area. It really not that hard as there are plenty if recipes in this forum. And its a lot more economical.

 

[Kagey K]

As i have only started and only bought a few pre mixed juices i am no expert. But i was also concerned as to the accuracy of what these vendors are putting in their juice. I decided right away that DYI gives me comfort in that area. It really not that hard as there are plenty if recipes in this forum. And its a lot more economical.

Definitely DIY is the way to go if you are that concerned. My general rule is never vape anything that they wouldn't vape themselves. Find a trusted or reputable vendor and you should be fine.

 

[NancyR]

Any vendor's recipes are NOT more important than the health and safety of even ONE human being.

I cry crocodile tears here. Esp. if they're assured their recipes won't be shared.

Plenty of other businesses to go in that don't involve other human beings putting what you make into their bodies.

Sell topsoil or something then.

I'm still getting "i don' know" answers from vendors about diacetyls (even though once you know the flavorings they use you can ascertain that for yourself).

Any vendor who can not answer a question like that is a vendor I would never deal with lab setting or not. There are many good vendors out there who are not part of aemsa who do follow strict qc on ever stage of their mixing and can tell you if a flavoring has something like diacetyls in them. Good vendors if they don't know will contact who they get the flavoring from to find out.

 

[nicetucu]

I'm new and this was weighing on my mind. It was one of the first things that came to mind when I started vaping three weeks ago.

Many people made some good points as well. I don't trust e juice from China (not being racist here). Just with all these recalls from lead paint and faulty products of late makes me feel sketchy at best. From the start I've only ordered e juice from well known vendors, which none are on the list. Alien visions , Heather's heavenly vapes , among a few others.

We put a ton of trust into these small companies to do the right thing by us. There really should be standards/practice rules without over complication. I may experiment with DIY e juice in the future. For now just trying to find e juice that fits me flavor wise and go from there.

 

[Kagey K]

I'm new and this was weighing on my mind. It was one of the first things that came to mind when I started vaping three weeks ago.

Many people made some good points as well. I don't trust e juice from China (not being racist here). Just with all these recalls from lead paint and faulty products of late makes me feel sketchy at best. From the start I've only ordered e juice from well known vendors, which none are on the list. Alien visions , Heather's heavenly vapes , among a few others.

We put a ton of trust into these small companies to do the right thing by us. There really should be standards/practice rules without over complication. I may experiment with DIY e juice in the future. For now just trying to find e juice that fits me flavor wise and go from there.

Unfortunately and fortunately at the same time this goes in the black market category. There are no rules so everyone can do what they want. It makes you as a consumer shop smart. You have to look around and read and pick and choose based on what you find. I wish there were more retail categories that went this route.

Force the consumer to be an informed consumer. Too many times this doesn't happen. Hopefully ejuice is a step in the right direction.

 

[ErrrMee]

Hello All,

I'm new to the forum and this is my first time posing as well. I am absolutely in agreement with jSquard when it comes to deciding in favor of vapes over cigarettes. So far I have ordered and used flavor cartridges, ready made e-juice to refill the cartomizers and most recently 36mg flavorless nicotine mixed with 100% VG and a couple concentrated food flavorings. I am aware of the potential dangers of working with liquid nicotine. Yet it's interesting that a bottle of 36mg flavorless nicotine has a bunch of warnings all over it but a bottle of 36mg E-Liquid warns to keep out of reach of children and pets and not much more. Being new to using E-Cigs should I be far more diligent when working with the flavorless nicotine or are they both the same thing? I appreciate any info provided and thank you for the use of an amazing resource on the subject of E-Cigs and E-Liquid.

ErrrMee

 

[hairball]

Here's the best answer I can give you. If you're concerned about safety as far as eliquid is concerned, than the best way to know it's been mixed under sanitary conditions is to do-it-yourself.