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E-Juice Strength & Dilution

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  1. ProV Erawk

    ProV Erawk Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 21, 2012
    Las Vegas
    Hello

    I currently smoke about 30 analogs a day at 0.6mg of nic per cig. So my daily nicotine intake is 18mg.
    I've read that the e-juice mg rating is per ml of liquid. Is that correct?

    I purchased a bunch of 18mg liquid based on that calculation but I'm thinking I will vape more than 1 ml per day. I don't want to increase my nic addiction as my goal is to slowly work down.

    What are your experiences with juice consumption vs what you smoked in analogs?

    Is there anything I could mix with the juices to bring down the nic without affecting flavor?

    thank you in advance for any input.
     
  2. base234

    base234 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 4, 2011
    Over the edge...
    Yes, it's mg/ml. I wouldn't worry too much about intake at first. Just vape until you're satisfied. Your body will let you know. You can always reduce intake later.
     
  3. tinajfreeman

    tinajfreeman Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 27, 2010
    Jacksonville, FL
    Amen to that. The nicotine delivery is slower with vaping so it helps to vape heavily in the beginning to keep you from craving analogs. Then you can cut back if you like. The nicotine is not the dangerous part of cigarettes. It's the tar and the 4000+ chemicals.
     
  4. moose

    moose Full Member

    May 2, 2011
    Whitman, MA
    well nicotine is definitely less dangerous but its still bad for you. So just start off with the 18mg and cut back when you feel your ready and you'll be fine. Happy vaping and good luck!!
     
  5. propagandax

    propagandax Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 3, 2012
    St. Louis, MO
    Remember your absorption rate could be anywhere between 40 and 80%, search around you will see.

    Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk
     
  6. sailorman

    sailorman Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 5, 2010
    Podunk, FLA
    I agree with the other posters. Don't sweat it at first. At 1-1/2 PAD, 18mg is the right level to start. Expect to use about 3ml a day. If you use more, don't fret. The absorption rate is lower for new vapers, sometimes as low as 30%, depending on your technique and equpment. Your body will self-regulate.

    The important thing is to find a juice you like and vape enough to get through any analog cravings. I that means you consume 5ml of 18mg per day, that's o.k. It's easier to reduce your nic level than to shake those last couple analogs.

    When you decide it's safe to start tapering down, you can cut your juice. You'll lose a lot of flavor if you try to cut with straight PG or VG. At least one juice vendor (Tasty Vapor) sells 0 nic "doublers" for about 1/2 the price of a nicotine juice. Other vendors sell 0 nic versions of their juice that you can use to dilute what you have without losing flavors. They're usually the same price as the nic. containing versions though.
     
  7. X P3 Flight Engineer

    X P3 Flight Engineer Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 27, 2012
    Moncton, N.B. Canada
    What's the "bad for you"?

    I use 24mg (coffee flavor) 'first morning' and when I crave, and 18, 12, 6 whatever during the day, tapering of during the day. I use 0 nic 70/30 to reduce a small amount and I lose some flavor, but subtle flavor is good too. Doublers are great if the price is reasonable.

    JMO. YMMV
     
  8. ProV Erawk

    ProV Erawk Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 21, 2012
    Las Vegas
    Thanks for the responses everyone. My provari mini arrived today and I haven't smoked since. The thought enters my mind but then I just grab my mod and forget about it.
     
  9. sailorman

    sailorman Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 5, 2010
    Podunk, FLA
    Yep, that's the way to do it. Before you know it, days will have gone by and you'll realize all your cigarettes are stale and they'll taste terrible (but don't try them. take my word for it :) )
     
  10. Pur3Rush

    Pur3Rush Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 31, 2010
    Southern California
    i wouldnt worry about tapering down. I also recommend getting a strength just higher than what you normally vape. If you have a craving and just want to knock it out, a few hits of higher strength nic will help you out. Everyone has their own system, and way of doing it. Just do whatever works to keep you off the stinkys.
     
  11. John D in CT

    John D in CT Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 27, 2012
    Connecticut

    Tasty Vapors has what they call "Doublers", which are zero-nicotine e-liquids, any percentage of PG/VG you want, available in all the same flavors as their nicotine juices, that cost 1/4 as much. Using Doublers, I just order 1 oz. (30 ml) bottles of whatever flavors I want, and in the 48 mg strength. Their nicotine juices all all the same price - about $16/oz. - regardless of the nicotine level (from 12 to 48 mg) - so this is a no-brainer. You can then reduce the nicotine level to whatever you want, using the identical flavor of zero nicotine juice, so the flavor is not diminished.

    i don't know if other vendors offer Doublers, but they should. Plenty of vendors will sell you zero-nicotine flavored juice, but at the same price as the nicotine juice, which makes little sense, economic or otherwise.

    As for your calculations, I believe that much less nicotine is absorbed per puff with vaping than with smoking, so you can't just multiply 30 cigs x .6 mg nicotine per cig = 1 ml of 18 mg juice. I think you'd have to vape 3-4 times that to get the same amount of nicotine into your system.

    I think it might have to do with the absence of WTA (Whole Tobacco Alkaloids) from most juices. And interestingly, nicotine by itself is not nearly as addictive as nicotine ingested along with MAOI's (monoamine oxidase inhibitors) that are present in cigarette smoke. I suspect that MAOI's might be present in WTA's, and that a nicotine juice containing WTA's might deliver more nicotine to your system than the same juice without them, but I'm still working on nailing that down.
     
  12. Seraphina

    Seraphina Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    We mix our thicker juices with VGA diluted with distilled from Vicky at cignot or just distilled water. But now that we have switched mods I don't think we have that problem anymore of burning.
     
  13. hairball

    hairball ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 17, 2010
    Other Places
    What are your experiences with juice consumption vs what you smoked in analogs?

    I was a 4 PAD smoker so chain vaping comes natural to me. I vape 6-7mls a day at 18mg. When I first started, I used 36mg...2 months later dropped to 24mg...2-3 months later, dropped to 18mg and have been here for over a year. When all of my 18mg stuff is gone, I have 12mg steeping in my closet just waiting on me.

    Is there anything I could mix with the juices to bring down the nic without affecting flavor?

    You will need to go back to the vendor that you bought from and buy the same flavors in 0mg. Mix it with the higher to reach your desired level of nic.
     
  14. pizgizmolcle

    pizgizmolcle Full Member Verified Member

    Feb 28, 2012
    California
    I have a question for any and all you math people out there. I have been vaping since dec 19, 2011. I have cut down to 6mg juice but I think that is too low too fast as I seem to be getting mega cravings right now. I have been researching diy ejuice and have ordered flavors and 60mg nic juice. Now here's my question.

    how many drops of that nic juice should I add to 5ml of 6mg eliquid to get it up to 12mg. the same for 10ml, 30ml and 50ml?

    Thanks in advance for any help!
     
  15. X P3 Flight Engineer

    X P3 Flight Engineer Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 27, 2012
    Moncton, N.B. Canada
    I can't advise what you should do, but I can tell you what I would do.

    I would keep the 6mg for when I don't need the excess nic.

    I would mix a new batch to 12mg (or whatever strength) using a juice calculator.

    My reasoning is:

    DROPS ARE A ROUGH MEASURE - AND D*M*N ROUGH, AT THAT!

    I always measure. (also, 5ml is too small to be working with 60mg, a small error has huge proportions at that scale.)

    My math is not always 101%.

    Be Safe, understand , get help if needed.
     
  16. Bradder

    Bradder Am I Chip or am I Dale? Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Jan 12, 2011
    North Carolina, USA
    In my opinion, it is not a good idea at all to work with drops of nic liq to change nicotine levels of juices. As XP3 says it is always best to measure. You should be able to get a syringe (depending on the Las Vegas laws), from a local pharmacy or veterinarian. Also, if you have a Tractor Supply store near you, they usually carry syringes that will allow you to measure.

    As a follow up, if you still can't find a syringe, one can use an oral, needle-less liquid dose measurer (used to give liquids medications orally to children, at almost any drug store. Be certain, be safe, and be careful - while 60 mg/ml spilled on yourself "may" only make you lightheaded, dizzy, or give you heart palpitations, any accidental spills, drips or drops, which may not be notice and cleaned up appropriately, can be very serious to children, pets, or non-nic adults that may touch/step on it.
     
  17. fray

    fray Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2011
    arkansas
    I often use the medicine droppers so in big letters I wrote all over it with a sharpie "NOT FOR KIDS" to prevent it being mixed up and used for dosing medicine. I also put a piece of red electrical tape on the side with no numbers to make it easy to identify, wash it thoroughly with pure grain alcohol when I am done, and keep it locked with my 100mg nic
     
  18. Caridwen

    Caridwen ECF Moderator Senior Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Jan 15, 2011
    .5 ml of 60 mg added to 5ml of 6 mg juice will give you about 11 mg juice. How your going to measure .5 ml is hard. 1 ml is about 20 drops. Maybe 5-6 drops.

    30 ml of 6 mg juice plus 3 ml of 60 mg juice will give you about 11. Flavor will be pretty much non-existent though because you're diluting it with so much base.

    Use proper safety precautions, of course. Read the DIY stickies and when you have 5 posts, post in the DIY section.

    http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/announcements-rules/144783-warning-e-liquid-diy-safety.html
    DIY E-Liquid

    It's always better to ask a question, than make a mistake. No one here or in the DIY section minds answering questions- that's why we're here.
     
  19. Mdemon

    Mdemon Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 3, 2012
    Trinidad
    No. of drops would differ between different droppers so wouldn't be a very reliable measure. When working with higher strength nic juice it pays to be accurate. Invest in a 1ml & 3ml syringe. Find a good ejuice calculator you like and learn to use it. Also, read, Read, READ as much as you can about DIY & mixing BEFORE you start. There's a ton of info on these boards & you really ought to only DIY when you can answer these questions yourself. Have a healthy respect for that Nic & be safe. ;)
    If you absolutely NEED to strengthen that juice right now, the correct amounts of 60mg nic to add to 6mg juice to make it 12mg juice (or actually 11.78mg/ml) would be:
    0.6ml nic to 5ml juice
    1.2ml nic to 10ml juice
    3.6ml nic to 30ml juice
    6ml nic to 50ml juice
     
  20. wickedalibi

    wickedalibi Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 17, 2010
    montana
    Be careful with drops!!
    Using drops from a plastic pipette and my 60mg 100% pg liquid its 40 drops = 1 ml
     
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