E-Liquid. Are you getting what you pay for ?

[ApOsTle51]

Ordered 15ml of e-liquid yesterday from one of our reputable UK suppliers and i recieved it today no probs and no signs of any leakage.

The thing is , it came in a bottle which was the same size as i previously had from the same supplier but that held 10ml of eliquid.

So I thought ' hold on , that doesn't look like i thought 15ml would look like'

So I retrieve my trusty syringe, this is a medical syringe. For those in the know it's a 10 ml Baxa 'Exacta-med' syringe.

I emptied the contents of the 15ml bottle into the syringe thinking ' 10ml syringe, 15ml of liquid square peg , round hole '

Turns out the whole contents of the bottle went into the syringe. it did go over and above the 10 ml mark on the syringe , but only by approx 2ml worth.

So for the 15ml of liquid i paid for, i actually only got around 12-12.5ml of liquid

Not much in it you may say, but at that rate for every six 15ml bottles i purchase i'm loosing out on 1 full bottle , thats £10.

so , just because a supplier or label says '10ml' , '15ml' or '30ml' doesnt obviously mean that's what your gonna get.

Has anyone else actually measured out what they have recieved and compared it to what you ordered ?

Does anyone else feel they've been short changed or do you trust your supplier implicently ?

 

[smoking gnu]

No I haven’t checked, but I have some 10ml syringes I could get some 20ml ones so I will try it next time I buy some juice. Thanks for the heads up mate.

 

[ApOsTle51]

it's only the fact it came in the same bottle as a previous 10ml order. If it came in a different bottle i wouldn't have even questioned it.

Obviously I'm not saying it's being done on purpose, but is it being done on a regular basis.

 

[trog100]

a certain name brand puts it in little plastic things stuffed with wool called cartridges i think.. and charges over 22.000 dollars per imperial gallon for e liquid..

trog

 

[dc2k08]

nope, but i will be checking now, naming and shaming.

but at least we dont have micro-chips in our carts that render them useless and un-refillable once the liquid has been used ala certain ink cartridges. LEXMARK im talking to you

 

[CaSHMeRe]

nope, but i will be checking now, naming and shaming.

but at least we dont have micro-chips in our carts that render them useless and un-refillable once the liquid has been used ala certain ink cartridges. LEXMARK im talking to you

wow dc, didn't realize you had so much bottled up anger inside of you!!!


Sometimes, you just gotta let it out, and speak from the heart! Especially in regards to printer companies (IE: Lexmark) ... hehe

 

[dc2k08]

ha ha, well cash,

when a printer company like lexmark decides to sell me a cheap printer for me to discover only after opening the box that the cartridges have a microchip installed that renders the cartridges useless once they have been depleted permitting me to only buy the ink cartridges that they want me to at the exorbitant price that they choose which then causes me to have to return that printer immediately which shaves hours from my day.......

......then the only course of action is for me to write bad reviews of LEXMARK and notify people that some of their printers have cartridges with microchips installed that renders them useless once the ink has been depleted and disables you from re-filling them cheaply at a local business or other.

 

[Jack-Flash]

ha ha, well cash,

when a printer company like lexmark decides to sell me a cheap printer for me to discover only after opening the box that the cartridges have a microchip installed that renders the cartridges useless once they have been depleted permitting me to only buy the ink cartridges that they want me to at the exorbitant price that they choose which then causes me to have to return that printer immediately which shaves hours from my day.......

......then the only course of action is for me to write bad reviews of LEXMARK and notify people that some of their printers have cartridges with microchips installed that renders them useless once the ink has been depleted and disables you from re-filling them cheaply at a local business or other.

Lexmark are a company I refuse to deal with. They always have sold cheap printers but rip off cartridges. They deserve to go to that big company graveyard in the sky in my opinion. Epson all the way for me. I got my first Epson over ten years ago. It was a trooper and worked well with good priced cartridges. Every printer I bought after that was Epson. Except whenI once got a Lexmark. First time I had to buy new cartridges I realised it was cheaper to bin the lexmark and go back to Epson.

But anyway, back to the subject at hand. Regardless of weather Carts work out more expensive than e-liquid bought in a bottle. False Advertising is a no no. If someone says 15 ml and then sells you 12ml, that is illegal in the uk and such traders should be named and shamed. But I am sure most traders will be reputable chaps, the shady dealers tend not to last too long. Word of mouth is a powerful tool in the arsenal of the shopper.

 

[dazzer1975]

Now you mention it, I have ordered from two seperate companies 15ml bottles of ejuice.

Both companies supplied in exactly same shape and size bottle, one companies bottle was filled a good bit more than the others.

I am not one to really bother with raising it, and certainly didnt measure exactly the amounts, but now this has been raised, I will be measuring all my eliquid orders from now on and if needs be, naming and shaming too.

There is enough money to be made selling things legitimately without trying to be cowboys about it and treating the lack of e smoking regulations as the wild west.

Obviously mistakes happen, thats understandable, it's how this progresses now the issue has been made aware of which determines the outcome.

 

[SMILIN]

Now I have something else to get ...... off aboutCause you are frikin right.

 

[sl9]

Name and shame the retailer mate, as it may give them the kick up the .... that they need regarding this issue. I for one don't want to be buying "15ml" bottles that actually hold 12.5ml!

 

[ApOsTle51]

I'm not going to name the retailer as i think it was an honest error.

It just raised the question to me if this happens alot, and if anyone else has noticed the same.

I have informed the retailer about it and i'm sure it will be rectified.

 

[ned Zeppelin]

Lexmark are a company I refuse to deal with. They always have sold cheap printers but rip off cartridges. They deserve to go to that big company graveyard in the sky in my opinion. Epson all the way for me. I got my first Epson over ten years ago. It was a trooper and worked well with good priced cartridges. Every printer I bought after that was Epson. Except whenI once got a Lexmark. First time I had to buy new cartridges I realised it was cheaper to bin the lexmark and go back to Epson.

But anyway, back to the subject at hand. Regardless of weather Carts work out more expensive than e-liquid bought in a bottle. False Advertising is a no no. If someone says 15 ml and then sells you 12ml, that is illegal in the uk and such traders should be named and shamed. But I am sure most traders will be reputable chaps, the shady dealers tend not to last too long. Word of mouth is a powerful tool in the arsenal of the shopper.

I own a printing company and you will find that most home consumer inkjet printers cartridges which ever brand you choose don't hold much juice anyway. Some of the Lexmark cartridges with the chip can be refilled depending on which model but printing back in colour can be hit and miss depending on the quality of refill ink that you'd use.
Epsom probably do the cheaper cartridges if you own a cheaper model but the more top end inkjet they are as expensive as Lexmark and you will find with a top end Epsom if it has not sold too well over the first 12 months of selling the product they also sometimes stop doing the cartridges for that model which we discovered 18 months.


My best friend actually works for Epsom and he assures me that only a thumbnail of ink is loaded into the cartridge when new and feels it's a rip-off.
Tip. Anybody wanting to refill inkjet try using their own refill cartridges from Internet- ink co.uk they are cheap and the quality of the ink is good to. We use it for all our inkjets in our office and fax machines and their delivery is quick coming the next day.

 

[trog100]

nyoy and ruyan e liquid as taken over from printer ink ned as the most expensive liquid on the planet..

the makers give cheap printers away with a PC.. as soon as the kids print a few pics and several gold dust priced carts are bought they start to make their money.. it can actually work out cheaper to throw the printer away and buy another one than buy a new ink cart..

i like the more expensive cannon printers.. mine takes five separate carts each can be changed as require black is separate.. with cannon u also dont have to throw the printhead away each time a cart is change.. does this sound familiar.. think loong totem... some have chippery to degrade performance.. its all built into the printer drivers.. or the last one i looked at did..

having said that if u really want photo realistc quality from a canon u are stuck with buying canon ink and cannon photo paper.. the whole lot is set up to work together.. change the ink or the paper and the results are not as good..

the e cig consumables follow the printer ink pattern.. people who sell cheaper generics hope to make their money from the consumables..

why else would we be paying as much for super mini carts with nothing in them as we pay for classic carts that hold four times as much liquid..

but at least we dont have the built in obsolescence chippery.. the sneaky ones dont just stop the device from working they simply degrade performance after xxxx usage.. time to buy a new one but it isnt so obvious..

its not just lexmark playing these games they all are and have been for several years..

trog

 

[ned Zeppelin]

Trog to be honest with you our Epsom's are about to clap out at the moment and I've been looking at buying the Canon's as replacements as I use there SLR digital press cameras for my photography which always give me true colours and they are supposed to work well with Mac computers which we use for design work.
But I mainly use sub die printers for photographs as these produce the best quality as close as lab prints as you will get plus they use a ribbon based system where you get the amount of paper that only lasts for the life of the ribbon itself in the box by a company called hi touch imaging technologies you will see a lot of photographers at functions using these to print on the spot and the photos are hard to rip and you can put the print into boiling hot water and then dry it and it's still in good perfect condition.


But because we have the big laser digital press we throw a lot of stuff through this as it has five big tanks of laser ink toner which each of these hold about 2 litres of ink roughly .but I don't think most people would want to pay for this stuff as it can be over 200 quid a colour a tank and about £1000 to fill it up but you have a maintenance contract on a beast like this which covers all your ink.


But I am seriously looking into buying the Canon printers for the office.

 

[dc2k08]

i know im driving this thread wildly off-topic but..

anyone try the kodak easy share 5000 series? the ink is supposed to be very cheap and easy to refill. but i read widely poled reviews.

looking for an inkjet printer with separate colour cartridges so they can be replaced as needed. easy to refill cheaply, with wireless or bluetooth(if that is possible) connect option. anyone?

also need a laser with a refillable cart and wireless or bluetooth..?

 

[Kimmiegrif]

What?!!!! You guys have me completely confused, what was I talking about...oh yeah ink cartridges, do they have pg or vg in them? which flav is best colored or black? high density or maybe the photo is more colorful...just kiddin' heehee

 

[ned Zeppelin]

I would try looking at the Canons that's where I think I will be going in the future with my inkjets for my office but we use a £40,000 industrial laser press as for lasers. So I can't suggest a home office laser because we only use inkjets for that purpose.

 

[trog100]

canon more up front cheaper to run.. but i must say its something i am not up to date with.. four or five years ago i was.. but now i am out of touch.. things change..

i have a pentax dslr so does my son.. neither of us would buy a cannon camera but both of us would buy a canon printer.. we try not to become slaves to brand loyalty.. errr.. fanboyism.. he he..

trog

 

[ned Zeppelin]

What?!!!! You guys have me completely confused, what was I talking about...oh yeah ink cartridges, do they have pg or vg in them? which flav is best colored or black? high density or maybe the photo is more colorful...just kiddin' heehee

The ink does taste a bit sweet if you lick it but I would not advise you to do that. So it might have some PG in there somewhere