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G'day all, I was wondering if anyone could help me through a hopefully easy question...
At the moment I'm trying (TRYING being the operative word! ; ) to mix up a batch of 'Buttery Nipple' AKA Slippery Nipple AKA C_ck S__king Cowboy :facepalm: i.e. BN is a double strength PG e-juice from vapebar.com.au, but I'm having trouble understanding the information obtained from the ejuice iPad App (see attachment) like what does -1.2 ml mean... HOW do you minus something, ANYTH
ING :blink: ... it's got me stumped?!

Anyway for the record I have (apart from the double strength Buttery Nipple PG e-Juice) I have 30 mg PG nic 0 flavour, 48 mg VG nic 0 flavour & VG 0 nic 0 flavour to play with (I have other premixed stuff but I'm pretty sure this is all that'll be pertinant to this brew).
So there you have it... maybe I should let you know what's my goal? :p that could help huh?!

What I'm after is a brew of 20 mg nic with a 60 or 70% PG flavour in a 10 ml bottle, using these ingredients. If I can just get at least the basics down pat I know I'll be on my way BUT... G-D its complicated! Famous last words? I hope not.

Thanks for your help in advance, appreciate it!
 

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I don't think you can post pics yet, so we can't see the attachment. It's tough to tell what the issue is without seeing your inputs, but I suspect the "60-70% PG flavour" may be the issue. Flavors are typically used at 3-10%. If you were entering 60-70% for flavor in your calculator and let's say 20% VG and 10ml of concentrated nic, then the calculator would call for a negative amount of PG to make the correct mix. Just a guess...
 

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G'day all, I was wondering if anyone could help me through a hopefully easy question...
At the moment I'm trying (TRYING being the operative word! ; ) to mix up a batch of 'Buttery Nipple' AKA Slippery Nipple AKA C_ck S__king Cowboy :facepalm: i.e. BN is a double strength PG e-Juice from vapebar.com.au, but I'm having trouble understanding the information obtained from the ejuice iPad App (see attachment) like what does -1.2 ml mean... HOW do you minus something, ANYTH
ING :blink: ... it's got me stumped?!

Anyway for the record I have (apart from the double strength Buttery Nipple PG e-Juice) I have 30 mg PG nic 0 flavour, 48 mg VG nic 0 flavour & VG 0 nic 0 flavour to play with (I have other premixed stuff but I'm pretty sure this is all that'll be pertinant to this brew).
So there you have it... maybe I should let you know what's my goal? :p that could help huh?!

What I'm after is a brew of 20 mg nic with a 60 or 70% PG flavour in a 10 ml bottle, using these ingredients. If I can just get at least the basics down pat I know I'll be on my way BUT... G-D its complicated! Famous last words? I hope not.

Thanks for your help in advance, appreciate it!

instead of mg did u mean ml? as in you have 30mg pg with nic, 48ml pg no nic as well as vg no nic.

now what flavor percentage are you looking for i like strong flavor usually around 10-15% others will like lower usually 5% flavor and under. knowing the flavor percentage will help narrow specifics of what % of what too use.

this is the calcutaor i use..... eJuice Recipe Calculator

for the amount of vg, put that percent as the water, and for flavor put the desired % now if its multiple flavors you will need to divide those into that amount given and play with different combinations at that amount to determine which works best.... i usually recommend making a small batch with no nic first just to taste it as its easier to fix a small batch then a larger batch and you wont waste nic on trial and error
 
Hi all thanks very much for your help I really appreciate it... I wrote '30 mg of PG with nic' because that's what's on the bottle i.e. 30 mg nic in PG form - sorry about the confusion. Now this I where it gets confusing (more confusing... what, how? ; ) because in Australia we can't buy nic direct in country we have to import it so some local suppliers i.e. vapebar.com.au, use what’s termed as 'Doubler' which is the flavour component (in this instance in a PG form) as to the percentage of a mix I'm told that at 50% PG vs 50% VG is at the "pointy end" of the maximum vapour producing mix, eg. You wouldn't want to use 30% PG with 70% VG?? I have no idea- Grrrr! ; .) As best as I can find here's an url that vapebar has posted that tries to explain the mixing procedure.... http://........com/8qc4cfo.

Here's another thing that's got me stumped deleon517 YOU wrote: "I like strong flavor usually around 10-15%..." Yada Yada Yada. So what's with YOUR 10-15% mix compared to the Aussie 70:30% PG:VG mix - me no understanda?! RU saying the 10-15% is your non-flavour percentage i.e. read as 85:15 PG:VG mix?

You see how infuriating it all is? Hurrumph! (see 'Blazing Saddles' : )

UPDATE ON MY ORIGINAL POST
I've now decided I want a 30 ml quantity of 20 mg nic (in my case the nic's in a VG form) with a 70:30 PG:VG ratio i.e. giving it more flavour but less vapour. For the record I originally wanted to increase the vapour side of the mix but after being advised that I was at the upper end of the spectrum for vapour production I've had to revise my goal... : (

NOT HAPPY JAN... *a popular Australian phrase taken off a Yellow Pages ad sometime ago see here if you're interested: http://........com/9jt73hh

*Nb. just on that, even though I was told by someone who's supposed to be in the know that I was at the upper end of the spectrum for vapour production I can't help but remember seeing videos of people vaping in the US wafting out great plumes of vapour, which is hardly what you'd describe as what's occurring on this 50:50 PG:VG vape mix ... Heeeeeeeeeeeeelp! 8^ D
 
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Hi Gsx. Welcome to the ECF.... and to mixing...lol.... So as I understand it you have a flavor componant, mixed already with PG. This is where I need a little more information. I think You have a 30mg nic base in PG form.(see your above post) Do you also have a VG based nic? If so then what is the concentration? If your flavor doubler is PG based, and you have VG nic, as well as PG nic. then I think I am following, and if not I will catchup.

There is no "wrong" way to mix liquids, just general rule of thumb. The above poster's 10-15% figure was based on raw flavor concentrates, not a premixed solution. So theres that.... I use 100%VG in my own mixes because I enjoy the copious amounts of vapor, and I have no real need for huge throat hit any longer. Heres the calculator that I use for mixing, it is live(no downloading a confusing program that you must re-think your outcome before you start) and all the amounts will be specified by you the mixologist..... e-Liquid Calculator if you could supply(here) the amounts and strengths of what you have to mix with and the VG/Pg percentage and final nic mg I will even plug them in for you and try to get you the result you are looking for. Good Luck. Happy Vaping.
 

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Hi GSX
They do need to see the pic. the description was not enough to understand why the -1.2ml
as for the PG VG mix ratios.
you want 30ml of 20mg nic with a ratio of 70PG30VG and I will assume you want the CSC flavour to be a little over 1.
you have;

Buttery Nipple PG
30 mg PG
48 mg VG
&
VG
30ml of 70/30 will be about 21ml of PG and 9ml of VG
So imagin you start with the 30mg PG base
you get 21ml of that and you will have no chance to bring the nicotine down 20mg with just 7ml of VG.
A Haaaa. I see your prediciment. SO Surly you could us some of the VG based Nic.
lets try that.
7ml of of the 48mg VG base will be mixed with 21ml of ??? you don't have PG. hmmmm It gets thicker

SO Obviously you need to mix the VG nic and the PG nic to get the ratios.

I wonder if working backwards will work.

the awkward part is getting the 20mg nicotine correct

jumping the gun a bit, I think that the 30mg pg nic will be used most.

so lets use most of that.

lets use 2/3ds of that, I say 2/3rds because it will be all the nicotine content you need. IE 30mg is roughly 3% nic content, you only need 20mg which is 2% content
so lets fill the 30ml bottle to the 20ml line and there it is. all the nicotine for a 30ml bottle.
now if you add just VG to that you will have a 66.66/33.33 ratio (very close to becaue of the 2%nic)
But wait, we need to add the flavour, and as far as I can tell, you will be adding just under 30 ml of it and unfortunatly this will affect the ratios.
it will now be 10mg nic
50mlPG and only 10ml VG hmmmmm Woops, thats wrong lol.
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Lets start with the Doubler.
lets say 16ml of it (Just over for added flavour)
thats 16ml of VG
you still need some PG and 9ml of VG
and this seems posible from here.
if you add the 30mg nic PG to bring the ratio to 70/30 that will be 5ml of it.
then you only need VG and you have both nic and base to work with.
Re cap.
now we have
16ml of Flavour doubler.
5ml of (30mg nic PG)
and you need more nicotine.
how much ?
well. to get 20mg content of nic in 30 ml its roughly 2%nic of 30ml which is 0.6ml
you already have 5ml of 30mg strength, find how much nicotine is alredy in the bottle now, which is 3% of 5ml = 0.15ml
OK so .6ml - .15ml = 0.45ml of nicotine to go.
So how many ML of the 48mg strength will have .45ml of nicotine ?
48mg nic VG base is roughly 4.8% nicotine. So ;
9ml of the 48mg VG base will have roughly .432ml of Nicotine.
.15ml + .432ml = .542ml will be roughly 18mg strength.
each ml of th 48mg VG will have .048ml of nicotine.
to get to 20mg strength in the 30 ml bottle you will need to sacrifice the ratio (It seems to be in you prefered Direction anyway. so just add.
will it fit ?
how much? 1ml will now make it .59ml of nicotine in 31ml which is 1.903%
adding another half will make it .614ml of nicotine in 31.5ml which is 1.949%

the PG VG ratio will be 21 parts PG and 10.5 parts VG
thats roughly 66.6 % PG and the rest VG

not good enough,
well. lets add just .5ml of the 30mg PG nic instead of the .5 48mg VG nic
this will be .03ml nic per ml and thats .015 for the .5ml
add that to the .59ml nic already in the 31ml batch and you have
.605ml nic in a 31.5ml batch with PG VG Ratio of 21.5 parts PG and 10 Parts VG
THats roughly 68.253% PG, nic content roughly 1.920% you want 2%

not good enough,
well. lets add just 1ml of the 30mg PG nic instead of the .5 48mg VG nic
this will be .03ml nic
add that to the .59ml nic already in the 31ml batch and you have
.62ml in a 32ml batch with PG VG Ratio of 22 parts PG and 10 Parts VG
Thats roughly 68.75% PG

not good enough,
well. lets add just 1.5ml of the 30mg PG nic instead of the .5 48mg VG nic
this will be .045ml nic
add that to the .59ml nic already in the 31ml batch and you have
.635ml in a 32.5ml batch with PG VG Ratio of 22.5 parts PG and 10 Parts VG
Thats roughly 69.230% PG, nic content is now 1.95% you want 2%

we can add more if you bottle can take it and it will get closer.

lets add just 2ml of the 30mg PG nic instead of the .5ml of the 48mg VG nic
this will be .06ml nic
add that to the .59ml in the 31ml batch and you have
.65ml in a 33ml batch with PG VG Ratio of 23 parts PG and 10 Parts VG
Thats roughly 69.6969696969697% PG, nic content is now 1.96969696969697%



unfortunatly the Flavour is Diluted a bit now with less than half of it being in there. Hmmm
Should I start with 17ml of Doubler ?


Could some one else check this. I am a newbie and I did not check it myself ( I didn't even do Spell check ;) ). I am working on the rough assumption that 48mg and 30mg strength base are roughly 4.8% and 3% nicotine content respectivly and am unsure as to wether this matters with premixed nicotine bases anyway.

Thoughts
 
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Why not just get the juice all in pg and just add vg seems it would be so much simpler to just add a certain amount of vg to the mix?
I am Assuming you mean the Nic content juice. ?
I would (and am) doing that myself.
I have the pure nicotine and pure PG and Pure VG and I am working with Flavour Concentrates.
but.
Working with what GSX has is what he is doing.
To make what he already has easy to use, he needs some PG base.

Klynnn
you have been here longer, have you come across a web based calc that works with Flavour that is mixed already as a double strength base ?

Bryce.
 
I am confused by your post. You want a 70/30pg/vg mix with 20mg nic. Are you making this from scratch Ie flavors and separate pg/vg/nic or are you trying to fix an existing pre made eliquid and change the pg/vg parameters.
Hi klynnn thanks for your reply. I'm making it from scratch with the stated consumables- apologies if I'm not being clear about it all but it's the best I can do : (
 
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