ECF, what say you about this article??

[OhNoIssGodzirra!]

Virgin vaper here and just been lurking the net reading bits here and there deciding on my first vape, and came across this:

Electronic cigarettes: A safe way to light up? - MayoClinic.com

Not sure if this has been beat to death already; i just joined recently.. sorry if it has

 

[The Ocelot]

"FDA approved" = pharmaceutical companies.

 

[Jetmec]

This is a typical big tobacco/pharma blurb. There is finally something out there that helps us to quit killing ourselves and it is a threat to the profiteers that are lining their pockets. As a 50 year smoker that tried every approved method to quit and failed at each one, I am very happy to say that I am cumming up on 2 years without touching an analog, thank you very much and it only took 2 months of vaping to be able to throw the analogs in the trash where they belong.

 

[Butters78]

This is all I have to say

Click here...

 

[The Ocelot]

And, of course, the "Nicotrol Inhaler" is just fine...

 

[RoseB]

Virgin vaper here and just been lurking the net reading bits here and there deciding on my first vape, and came across this:

Electronic cigarettes: A safe way to light up? - MayoClinic.com

Not sure if this has been beat to death already; i just joined recently.. sorry if it has

When I first started to even think about switching I started reading stuff. That article was one of the first. It's been a little over a month since I got my first ecig, and a week later I was cigarette free. Lots of folks here will tell you how much better they feel and I am one of them. Don't be sorry for asking questions the folks here are very helpful.

 

[Absintheur]

"FDA approved" = pharmaceutical companies.

fixed that...

FDA approved" = pharmaceutical companie$.

 

[gthompson]

"Variable amounts of nicotine", which of course is not found in cigarettes, and "traces of toxic chemicals", arguable way more than the 4,000 identifiable chemicals in cigarettes. And oh yeah, that's from a completely flawed 2009 FDA study, which found those "trace amounts" of cancer causing agents in exactly one of the (small handful of carefully selected Chinese made) samples they used.

But hey, read it for yourself

 

[gthompson]

Can't we have a limit of one per day of these "scare tactic" threads?

 

[hrlw817]

Yup. Just another stupid rant from someone just jumping through hoops. I know e-cigs aren't 100% safe. I know analogs will kill you. 4,000 carcinogens or maybe 1 or 2 in an e-cig...boy...I may have to flip a coin. Heads, analogs...tails, e-cigs.....*flip*
Well, well, what are the odds!! Tails!!

 

[steved5600]

Man I feel like opening a whole case of woopass right about now. FDA. They are in bed with so many paras. The congress put them there.
There's no place like home. There's no place like home.There's no place like home.
Should have the Three Stooges running the FDA couldn't do worse. I'll stop the rant.
Recognize the things I can not change and the things I can. Ummmmmmmmmm. God will get them for this. LOL

 

[X P3 Flight Engineer]

It's interesting (and typical) that they ask the questions "What are electronic cigarettes? Are they safer than conventional cigarettes?" in their title; and then choose not to answer their second question.

I call BS!

 

[tj99959]

About the only meaningful information I gained from that article is the fact that my Provari, Vtube, and SB are designed to look like a conventional cigarette. I'm really-really glad to know that.
I have never owned an e-cig that looked like a conventional cigarette!

The ignorance displayed by those publishing expert opinions never ceases to amaze me.

 

[tnt56]

As far as what is said I believe I'll folow the advice that my Lung Specialist told me. They haven't been able to prove that the juice I'm using causes any harm. That the amount of nicotine is about what is in a cup of coffee and that since I've stopped the 2-3 pack a day habit and started vaping my lungs have never sounded clearer and my B/P is almost normal.

 

[DummyMe]

I always say that F D A stands for Fat Dumb .... Well, you can figure out what the A stands for, this board doesn't allow me tell you. (Sorry, mods if I crossed the line.)

 

[zuzette]

there was a Guy here in Colorado that got a rare form of lung disease from doing nothing more than sniffing his daily microwave popcorn fumes. the flavor used in the popcorn was noted to cause this disease in workers in popcorn factories long ago. the flavor is FDA approved.
that tells me the FDA really does not know very much.
it tells me that in a very big way we are all using products, seemingly benign, that can still have unintended consequences and there is nothing we can do about it - except do our own research, and take responsibility for what we choose to do.

 

[Rickajho]

And, of course, the "Nicotrol Inhaler" is just fine...

Of course it is. Because everyone knows you cannot "light up" the Nicotrol Inhaler. But it's obvious you can "light up" an electronic cigarette. The article says so - right there in the title.

The inherent bias doesn't even make it past the first paragraph. All you have to do is read the title of the article and you know what's coming. Sigh...

And why WHY do they all refer to that singular gosh darned (oh, I wanna say something so much more expletive that that) grossly flawed FDA report?

 

[bryansthl]

Well here is something you all might enjoy reading ESC | About the ESC | ESC Press Office | ESC Press Releases | Electronic cigarettes do not damage the heart

 

[MorpheusPA]

Well here is something you all might enjoy reading ESC | About the ESC | ESC Press Office | ESC Press Releases | Electronic cigarettes do not damage the heart

Interesting, but this sentence doesn't follow logically: “This is an indication that although nicotine was present in the liquid used (11mg/ml), it is absorbed at a lower rate compared to regular cigarette smoking.”

Unless they left out a lot of data to reach that conclusion, and it's possible they did, it could be lower nic absorption or one of those chemicals in cigs is doing the damage, not the nic.

I would tend to disagree with the lower rate argument myself. I've managed to give myself a heck of a nic buzz vaping, and I never did smoking.

 

[rolygate]

There are one or two pharmaceuticals for quit-smoking treatment that are marginally effective - assuming that the only alternative is death since otherwise you certainly wouldn't want to mess with them otherwise - and only have around a 90% failure rate. Unfortunately they are the ones that are impossible to describe as safe since they have a significant risk for cardiac and psychotic events. They have side effects such as a 1 in 30 risk for heart attack, and have caused hundreds of suicides, some murders, and an uncountable number of violent psychotic events. So on balance they are unsafe and have marginal efficacy that is not worth the risk if there are better alternatives.

There are plenty of pharmaceuticals for quit-smoking treatment that are known to be safe, with rare incidence of significant health events. Unfortunately they have a failure rate of around 95% to 98% and are only double the effectiveness of a placebo, so 'effective' could not possibly be used to describe them.

There are absolutely no pharmaceutical interventions for smoking cessation that can be described by any honest person as 'safe and effective'. Anyone with medical knowledge who describes pharmaceutical interventions as "safe and effective" is an outright liar. A safe medicine but with chance of success little better than a placebo, or alternatively a chance of a heart attack / suicide / crazy episode but a marginal possibility of success does not equal 'safe and effective' and a medically-qualified person who says it does should have their license removed. Such persons are not fit to practice medicine and certainly not fit to give advice; unless medical licenses are issued for proficiency in being a financially-conflicted mercenary for hire or a complete ignoramus.