ecig ban

[sandygib]

hi,
i would like to know when those countries that have banned ecigs will look at the possiblity of banning tobacco, i ask because of the overwhelming evidence there is about the health risks which can lead to an early death/any number of related horrible diseases, facts that are so well known that makers have to put it on their product and openly declare it. this should be as easy as the ban they took on ecigs shouldn't it?

 

[Unforeseen]

Moved to General E-Smoking Discussion

 

[fishtaco]

Money simple

I live in Australia where vaping is not banned but think it will be soon!

In Australia you cannot buy nic for PV,s but at the moment you can import for personal use only which makes it way too hard to switch to vaping for the majority who may otherwise consider it. Quitting smoking is not usually a thought out proses with preperation but an on the spur of the moment decision.

Australia has a fairly small population but lives up there with the big guns.

In Australia the recent tax has raised the price of a packet of Cigarettes to around $17 plus, which has led many non smokers travelling overseas to bring back to Australia their limit of cheap "Duty Free" smokes and sell them.

Australia has now put an "Unheard-of" 50 piece cigarette duty free limit in place at all of its ports instead of the usual 200-250 limit! And it is being strictly enforced.

Why would they do this? Given the real infrequency of overseas travel for most people, the tax loss on 200 duty free smokes doesnt amount to much at all from a travelling smoker!

Since the huge tax hikes on cigarettes in the past 2 years many shops now sell under the counter smuggled cheap Asian cigarettes at half the price, smuggled in by those who thought it not worth while when smokes were much cheaper because of less tax.

They are loosing too much tax, this proves in my mind the government "Needs" that cigarette tax money and without it would have to raise other taxes which would be to unpopular with the masses.

Money simple.

Den

 

[tA71ana]

Hi

This is the deal...if anyone attempts to ban tobacco, I hope that they have the law enforcement numbers to deal with the criminal enterprises that spring up as a result of it, and there will be many.
I see you are from Gibraltar and may or may not be familiar with the Volstead Act aka National Prohibition Act (1919-1933) in the United States. Even though the Volstead Act was a long time ago, I can assure you that Human nature does not change. Anytime a prohibition of a widely used/previously legal substance (such as alcohol and tobacco) is enacted on any large scale, it will have the same results as what ensued during the Prohibition of alcohol in the US.
The cumulative physical effects of tobacco notwithstanding..there are serious (and many cases unintended) consequences for prohibiting something like tobacco or alcohol and the biggest of those consequences is crime and I mean crime on a potentially massive scale.
Unlike back in 1919, crime now would be much worse - why?
Criminal enterprises don't have to remain largely within their neighborhoods/cities, like in 1919.
Now they can communicate and cooperate on a global scale.
And that would be a Jurassic-sized law enforcement issue.
Sometimes it is best to just let some sleeping dogs lie.

 

[fishtaco]

Hi

This is the deal...if anyone attempts to ban tobacco, I hope that they have the law enforcement numbers to deal with the criminal enterprises that spring up as a result of it, and there will be many.
I see you are from Gibraltar and may or may not be familiar with the Volstead Act aka National Prohibition Act (1919-1933) in the United States. Even though the Volstead Act was a long time ago, I can assure you that Human nature does not change. Anytime a prohibition of a widely used/previously legal substance (such as alcohol and tobacco) is enacted on any large scale, it will have the same results as what ensued during the Prohibition of alcohol in the US.
The cumulative physical effects of tobacco notwithstanding..there are serious (and many cases unintended) consequences for prohibiting something like tobacco or alcohol and the biggest of those consequences is crime and I mean crime on a potentially massive scale.
Unlike back in 1919, crime now would be much worse - why?
Criminal enterprises don't have to remain largely within their neighborhoods/cities, like in 1919.
Now they can communicate and cooperate on a global scale.
And that would be a Jurassic-sized law enforcement issue.
Sometimes it is best to just let some sleeping dogs lie.

This is a good point and the whole world learned from Prohibition in The states. Or did they?

In Australia the huge tax hikes ( that will continue) on Tobbaco have created what people before consider a breaking of the rules to criminality, and is no longer just like not declaring other tax free goods over the allowed tax free limit like an extra half bottle of booze!

The ultra low tax free cigarette limit of 50 has enabled harsher penalties/fines for what in the past was considered non commercial quantities!

I wonder how the US alcohol prohibition history would have panned out if Alcohol was instead of prohibited taxed at such a rate it was unaffordable to all but the wealthiest?

I believe it would have panned out the same crime wise!



Den

 

[tA71ana]

I wonder how the US alcohol prohibition history would have panned out if Alcohol was instead of prohibited taxed at such a rate it was unaffordable to all but the wealthiest?

I believe it would have panned out the same crime wise!



Den

I believe that to be a true statement.

 

[MacSabbath]

I don't think those countries care about the health risks so much rather than not getting the tax income from analog cigs instead. That's why you have to fight the policies aggressively from that angle rather than to think they are looking out for peoples best interests.

 

[steved5600]

In the US Historically IMO they will make a threat, may do it for a while but in any case they just tax the hell out of it so they can get the tax money not to wipe it out but to get their hands on all the tax money. So they will make noise like they will ban it and then slap a big damn tax on it just like Booze and Tobacco. A ban would not be possible as then you would have cottage industries crop up growing tobacco in the back yard and either making smokes or dip or Nic liquid. It's all over the internet on how to extract it and test it for potency. Remember a little thing called Prohibition? They'd just have Crime types making it for personal use or big time sales like the old Bathtub Gin. The safety would go to hell and quite possible people could die or get sick from bad batches and poor testing.

 

[steved5600]

I'd would seriously consider making it for myself.

 

[steved5600]

OH the reason they are so upset with it is they are afraid that Tobacco taxes would dry up. Big Pharma is afraid of it because of lost sales on their solution to quitting smoking Patches, gum and prescription drugs.

Oh almost forgot my last speech item Those types like controlling stuff. Alcohol, Tobacco, (censored), guns, cars, etc. etc. IMO LOL

Then there's the Aliens who keep landing and messing with stuff. LOL I have to laugh at myself some. LOL