eCig newbie frustrated with eGo-C

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ikelvin

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I ordered the Ovale eGo-C (type B) starter kit about two weeks ago from OvaleUSA. It's my first electronic cigarette ever, and from the moment I first took a vape, I became completely in love with it. I've become a bit of an evangelist for electronic cigarettes, telling all of my analog-smoking friends about how awesome it is; it's everything I love about smoking but nothing I hate! Now everyone I know is dying to have me come over and let them try out my eGo-C kit.


However, things have gone sour within the last few days. Last weekend I was out of town with both batteries, and having forgotten my charger at home, I used both batteries until they were dead. When I got home, I charged both using the wall charger, and then... well, my experience since has been a nightmare. Using the menthol liquid from OvaleUSA (I found the tobacco and cappuccino flavors to be unpleasant, but I LOVE the menthol), I began to get sour, plasticky, flavorless vapor. Believing that perhaps the atomizer had gone bad, I attempted to disassemble the atomizer so that I could see what the deal was. After all, if I messed it up, I have 4 more in the blister pack. Well, when I took it apart, the wick came undone. No big deal, so I put it aside and opened another atomizer so that I could get it working.


Only the new atomizer was showing the same issues. After having read extensively online that some of the eGo atomizer wicks need adjustments, I used a paper clip to slide the wick down closer to the atomizer coil, hoping that I simply wasn't getting enough juice out of my vapes. That changed nothing. I figured maybe it was already in too far and maybe I actually needed to pull it out more. I opened the atomizer and repositioned the wick so that it wasn't as deep. This time, I was getting extremely hot, burnt vapor, so I knew it was too far out. I slowly adjusted the wick down, trying many, many times to get it just right, but still I would get sour, plasticky, flavorless vapor.


Becoming increasingly frustrated, I decided to push EVERYTHING aside and eliminate all possible variables. I went to my kit box, and I completely assembled another eGo-C using my spare base, a new atomizer, my spare cone, and a new tank. Somehow... still nothing different. I am still getting sour, plasticky, flavorless vapes.


At this point, I have searched every blog, message board, and online video and read every praise and criticism about the eGo-C and how to fix any issues with its vapor or flavor production. I have tried:


- Swapping hard tank caps and soft tank caps (both were included in my kit)
- Changing the position of the tank held by the cone with respect to the air holes visible in the atomizer
- Filling the tanks at various levels to see if flow would be better filled partially, halfway, or almost full.
- Adjusting the position of the wick within the atomizer spike
- Changing the position of the spike with respect to the atomizer coil
- Used both atomizer bases
- Used both batteries
- Used both cones
- Tried different tanks
- Tried all five atomizers
- Tried tobacco and cappuccino liquids just in case I was suddenly having an aversion to the menthol liquid
- Cleaning the atomizers, tried with water, tried with vodka, tried dry burning
- Shaking it
- Taking short breaths without triggering the battery in attempts to get liquid to draw through the wick
- Dripping a drop directly on the coil and on both sides of the wick so that it would already be ready to flow


I have done everything I possibly could with everything, wasting several hours a day for the last few days trying to get JUST ONE proper vape of menthol. Still, I am left with a mess of juice, tanks, atomizers, and other parts on my kitchen table.


I feel like I have tried eliminating every possible variable in getting this to work properly. My 20mL bottle of menthol is almost empty because I've burned through so much of it trying to get this to vape properly. The only thing left is that both batteries were charged by the same charger. It seems silly to think the charger could have effected both batteries in a way so that they are not allowing the atomizer to produce vapor properly, but I am at the point of frustration where it seems like anything is possible. The batteries do seem like they're getting pretty hot...


Even worse, I feel silly having raved about this thing to all of my friends and now I won't even be able to show it to them unless I want to torture them with disgusting vaporized plastic taste.




Does anyone have ANY advice for me? I feel like I've wasted my money and I miss the vaping I was getting a week ago! I really don't feel like spending more money on anything at this point since I've already spent over $100 on my first order and I WAS enjoying the product... sigh. At this point I feel like giving up on everything altogether... I haven't smoked analogs in over a year now and I was just starting this because I missed smoking while I drink. At this rate, none of it is worth it...

DOnt give up ! You have walk so far :(
 

Sheriff420

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I put a new low resistance atomizer in both cones and didn't push the wicks down on them. I put Copper Creek coffee in one (40% PG/60% VG) and Aqua vapor banana in the other (I believe it's 100% PG).
The coffee gets a couple good hits before it goes all plasticy then burnt. The bottle of banana is now missing about 6ml because it's been good the whole time.
That tells me that the C model has trouble wicking VG and that leads to the burnt taste.
The thing I don't get though is that I ran through 2.5ml of some 40/60 Irish cream without issue. When I first got this model I used it for about a month with two atomizers using some 50/50 juice and the 40/60 stuff. Now those same two bottles of juice don't agree with it.
 
Hi darcagn I feel your pain bud but hang in there. I've experienced this dilemma myself using the ovale ego-c tank. I too experienced this problem after nights out drinking and vaping up a storm and waking up the next day with that filthy singed plastic taste and changed the atty thinking that would solve the problem. 3 fresh attys later and i'm still getting that awful taste. I also tried changing cartridges, tanks, tank bases and still same problem. It's as if the juice was not getting to atty at all so i tried my 4th fresh atty ,dripping a few drops of juice in both ends before screwing it together. Low and behold i still got that burnt taste so then i gave the ego a few rigorous shakes out of sheer frustration and i started tasting the juice again! 3 out of 4 vapes i was getting a good flavour hit so i continued to shake it before each vape.I was also drawing back on it without pressing the batt button which the manual says to do. After 10 min of repeating this it was back to sweet tasting vape! So maybe give this a try and see how you go. Hope this helps.
 

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I have a post over in the "tank issues" forum. Bottom line is... its your liquid. You are getting dry hits when vaping high vg. I have an ego-c clone and i had these same issues non stop because i vape only vg juice, diy. Basically make sure you are under 70% vg total with your juices and you should be fine. my guess is your 60/40 vg/pg juice was still too thick.

I make sure my flavoring and distilled water content is over 30%.

Distilled water will solve your problem, or try pre heating your liquids in a hot cup of water for 10 mins before use. this will thin its viscosity without adding extra dw.

if that doesnt work add dw. and your welcome cause i knkw this works... lol.
 

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Not sure if this was suggested but, try a totally different juice. I had that happen to me also. I thought that the juice or device went bad. Tried a totally different juice and it was really flavorful. I went back to my original juices after a week or so and I can taste them again. I chain vape so I guess I kill my taste buds fairly quickly and have to go to other flavors for a bit.
 

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Not sure if this was suggested but, try a totally different juice. I had that happen to me also. I thought that the juice or device went bad. Tried a totally different juice and it was really flavorful. I went back to my original juices after a week or so and I can taste them again. I chain vape so I guess I kill my taste buds fairly quickly and have to go to other flavors for a bit.

I had exactly the same problem, and I found the solution for me. I have been vaping Halo Truepure for 2 years. Its 100% VG and rather thick. When I bought the eGo C, Vicki from Cignot sent me prefilled carts. I vaped them (they were perfect) and refilled with my juice. I have had nothing but burning taste for the last 3 days, and I realized this morning that I had cut my Halo with some PG (about 30%) because it was running out. 3 days ago I started vaping 100% VG again because I got my order in. I just ran and grabbed another prefilled cart and it vapes perfectly. I emailed Vicki and she said that the carts had Joye PG in them. I am going to order some more PG and cut my VG until it is gone.

I initially tried PG, but my throat swelled up so i thought I was allergic and switched to pure VG. Halo is excellent juice, but obviously does not work with this atomizer. The Joye PG does not affect me negatively, so I guess I am going to switch. I feel so relieved that my eGo is working again, it is by far the best setup i have tried in the past 2 years. Get some silicone caps, not one drop leaked in 3 weeks now. I had become accustomed to juice in the mouth with every other 510 setup I tried (eGo w/ 510 atty, eGo with 510 cartomizer, standard 510)
 

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Hi guys, I'm back.

I got my clearomizers in. I filled the standard resistance black clearomizer with the OvaleUSA menthol liquid and started vaping... it worked! I was very happy at this point, FINALLY tasting a good, clean vape after a week of no vaping or smoking or nicotine of any kind. I spent a day or so vaping, and my battery ran out... so I put the battery on the wall charger, went in my drawer and grabbed the spare battery, hooked it on and pressed the button, and...

burnt, plastic taste. .....

I have an analog multimeter, it doesn't have 20 V range, but it has 10 and 25. I set it to 10 and it went to 3V exactly on that battery. I pulled the other battery off the charger and tested it now that it had a small enough charge to power on. Exact same reading. 3V. I don't know if that's too low or too high or what.

I vaped it with the first battery again and I'm still getting the burnt taste. I opened the 5pk of Boge cartos that I had set aside unopened when I got my package from VaporGod and loaded that up with the liquid. It's my first time using a carto, but I dripped into the filler material, then let a drop go down the center, blew from the battery side out, then vaped. Instant exact same burnt plastic taste, although it wasn't dry and I could tell there was menthol in the vapor so I don't think it was dry vaping.

At this point I guess all I can do is load everything up back into the box and demand that Ovale exchange the entire thing for a new set, including all the atty heads, I suppose... is 3V not normal? Would that cause the issues that I am seeing?

I appreciate all the help you guys have given me. Although, not to be rude... I know my first post was very long and drawn out, so I don't expect or demand everyone to read it. But if you don't read it, please don't respond. I'm very frustrated and it only makes for more frustration when half of the responses are suggestions to do things that I already said that I did. But I am extremely grateful for those who helped me, this community is invaluable to the vaping community as a whole and it's one of the reasons why I decided to start vaping.
 

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I had an ego c for my first kit and had the same issues (always having to work on it) I would suggest getting just an atomizer and a drip tip, once I did this I never had issues again. If you love the tank system then you can try puncturing a bigger whole in the tank lid. I have heard this really helps to get the liquid out. I was going to reccommend www.thevaporhut.com for your juice. I have tried many different vendors and I love their juice. My favorite is coffee, it taste like a cappuchino!!! The menthol is good to, but I am not a menthol girl.
 

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3.3 to 3.4v is what you should get on an eGo battery. If your multimeter does not have decimal places and rounds to the nearest volt, you should see 3. Only mods I believe get higher (I am not familiar with all of the available vendors and e-cig brands). You mentioned changing flavors of juice, but you didn't mention if they were the same brand, which would prob make them the same thickness. I just played a little and found that my 100% VG from EcoPure (Cignot) does wick properly, although still not as well as PG.
 

darcagn

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3.3 to 3.4v is what you should get on an eGo battery. If your multimeter does not have decimal places and rounds to the nearest volt, you should see 3. Only mods I believe get higher (I am not familiar with all of the available vendors and e-cig brands). You mentioned changing flavors of juice, but you didn't mention if they were the same brand, which would prob make them the same thickness. I just played a little and found that my 100% VG from EcoPure (Cignot) does wick properly, although still not as well as PG.

My multimeter is an analog multimeter (the kind with a needle, not a screen). The needle goes straight to 3V exactly.

The juice is the same brand, however, they are all juices bundled with the eGo-C. I would assume that the juice OvaleUSA sells and bundles with their products is appropriate for use in those products. In addition, this morning I was using the clearomizer, vaping happily. Within the course of exactly one minute, the battery was drained, I swapped with the other battery, and immediately the exact first hit of vapor was terrible. With that in mind, I just don't see how it could not be the battery...
 

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I see your dilemma and I raise you an observation. If you are getting 3.0v, you may be right. I have noticed that the last few hits before the battery starts flashing can be a little foul or no flavor at all. I have 2 650mAh eGo passthroughs that I use so that I can charge while I am vaping in the car or at my desk and I have a spare when I am out and about (I get 3/4 day out of one and I like charging by USB). The batteries typically have at least a 60 day manufacturer warranty on them. See if the vendor will swap one out, test it, and then swap the other out if that is the issue.
 

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I filled the standard resistance black clearomizer with the OvaleUSA menthol liquid and started vaping... it worked! I was very happy at this point, FINALLY tasting a good, clean vape ...... my battery ran out... so I put the battery on the wall charger, went in my drawer and grabbed the spare battery, hooked it on and pressed the button, and...

burnt, plastic taste. .....

it went to 3V exactly on that battery. I pulled the other battery off the charger and tested it now that it had a small enough charge to power on. Exact same reading. 3V. I don't know if that's too low or too high or what.

It seems to me what's going on here is a combination of excessive expectations (Joyetechs need just the right resistance of atomizer to work well, and at best, 3.4 volts doesn't give a great vape), and not allowing your batteries to get fully charged. When your first battery died, I was wondering why your other one was in a drawer, on not on the charger. Then I wondered why you pulled the first battery off the charger before it was fully charged ("and tested it now that it had a small enough charge to power on"), and then expected it to read what it's supposed to, which is anywhere between its usual operating voltage of 3.4. And no, of course 3.0 volts isn't too high. No offense, but asking that question makes me wonder if you've been doing your homework.

If you haven't already, put the batteries on the charger one at a time and leave them each on there for a good 5 hours. Don't just wait for the green light to come on. Have you even been doing that? Sounds like you've been jumping the gun on charging time all along.

Look, you said you were vaping "fine" for a while, so it seems to me that your setup works as long as you're fully charging your batteries. maybe yours are defective, but I'm not convinced of it. After fully charging them, test the voltage. Some say they come off the charger at around 4 volts, but I think that even if they do, they'll quickly drop down to around 3.4. See how long they stay around 3.4 before they start to drop. Under no circumstances should they be at 3.0.

Also, did you test the ohms of your atomizers and cartomizers? You might be trying to power 3-4 ohms with (nominal) 3.4V batteries that aren't even fully charged. Not all attys and cartos measure what they're supposed to. This is one of the reasons that variable voltage is the way to go, as soon as you can swing it.

Short term, get some cartos that actually measure 1.5-1.8 ohms, and if your batteries are charged to 3.4 volts, your setup will work.

Just don't get too attached to that Joyetech power unit, because it's marginal at best; low voltage, proprietary battery, really nothing special. A Smoktech E-power 18650 power unit (or the slightly smaller 14650) would treat you much better; or one of the 5-volt mods that are available like the Smoktech Woo, if you can live with the sticky-button issue. I'll have one in a few days, so I can give my opinion.

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*When I say Joyetech eGo batteries won't give you great vape, I think you can get a "good" vape if you have just the right resistance atomizer. There's just not a very large "sweet spot".

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"If you love the tank system then you can try puncturing a bigger whole in the tank lid. I have heard this really helps to get the liquid out".

I can see how that would help to get the liquid out of the tank better. I can't see how it would get it into the atomizer better.
 
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darcagn

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It seems to me what's going on here is a combination of excessive expectations (Joyetechs need just the right resistance of atomizer to work well, and at best, 3.4 volts doesn't give a great vape), and not allowing your batteries to get fully charged. When your first battery died, I was wondering why your other one was in a drawer, on not on the charger. Then I wondered why you pulled the first battery off the charger before it was fully charged ("and tested it now that it had a small enough charge to power on"), and then expected it to read what it's supposed to, which is anywhere between its usual operating voltage of 3.4. And no, of course 3.0 volts isn't too high. No offense, but asking that question makes me wonder if you've been doing your homework.

If you haven't already, put the batteries on the charger one at a time and leave them each on there for a good 5 hours. Don't just wait for the green light to come on. Have you even been doing that? Sounds like you've been jumping the gun on charging time all along.

I don't know why you're attacking me all of a sudden... but man, look at my original post. Does it really sound like I'm the type of person who doesn't know that batteries need to be charged? I repair computers for a living. I know how batteries work.

I really shouldn't have to defend myself on how I store my personal belongings, but the backup battery was in a drawer because I have been waiting 6 days for the clearomizers to come in. In addition, there's no reason to leave the battery on the charger beyond the point at which the light turns green. That's when the charging circuit shuts off. And the reason why I haven't been leaving them on the charger 24/7 is because, y'know, these batteries are actually having a reputation for that charging circuit shutoff not working properly and causing the batteries to overcharge and explode. Not that I'm particularly afraid of that happening, but if I'm not going to be using the battery for a week, I'm going to take it off of the charger.

As a side note, I took the other battery off the charger not because I thought it would be ready to use or that I would expect it to read full voltage, but so I could see if it would also create a burnt taste when vaping--if it vaped normally, that would point that something's wrong with the other battery, and if it created a burnt vapor, that would indicate that something could be wrong with the charger. In addition, if the charger is causing my batteries to go bad, which I realized may be the case after I put it on the charger and then tried to use the backup battery, then I'm probably going to want to take it off the charger so it doesn't damage another battery.

And about the voltage question--really, can I not ask a question? I've done a lot of homework and I just wanted to know what was normal for the eGo series. If I can't ask questions, what is this forum here for?

Look, you said you were vaping "fine" for a while, so it seems to me that your setup works as long as you're fully charging your batteries. maybe yours are defective, but I', not convinced of it. After fully charging them, test the voltage. Some say they come off the charger at around 4 volts, but I think that even if they do, they'll quickly drop down to around 3.4. See how long they stay around 3.4 before they start to drop. Under no circumstances should they be at 3.0.

I charged both completely before I made the first post and that's when the issue started.


Anyway, something's obviously wrong with this set. I have a help ticket open with OvaleUSA and I'm just going to have them exchange it out. I've done all I can do with it at this point and I really don't feel like sitting here while people imply that I'm an idiot.
 
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You're right, I was being too hard on you. I was feeling frustrated as well, and was too blunt. One does not have to use the exact words "you're an idiot" in order to lead someone to believe that that's what you think (I don't). So I really do apologize for not being more tactful. Since the purpose of any forum is the exchange of information, and the answering of questions, it is indeed not cool to discourage anyone from asking them for fear of being set upon.

If you can accept my apology, I'd like to ask about a few things that might be beneficial in sorting your problem out, for both your benefit and anyone else having your same problem (including, but not limited to, the resistance of your atomizers). And I ask you to revisit my post #9, which is a better representation of how I usually convey my thoughts.

I do want to help, and I don't want to offend in the process. I'd be happy to try again.
 
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Some good suggestions on e-liquids. I use a 50/50 shisha chocolate on my ego-c, which is really dark, thick and vapes fantastically.

Try soaking your base and atomizer in 70% isopropyl usp for 24hrs and then soak in hot distilled water for 10mins. I suspect there is only a contact issue to your atomizer, base and battery. Use a q-tip soaked with isopropyl around your battery contacts to clean any built up / dried old juice. This may be preventing the battery from properly powering the atomizer.
 

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darcagn, man i think im more frustrated with your problem that you are. I wish i could tell you what the problem is and how to fix it, but to be honest, you have done everything i would advice you to do.

I know this is not the answer you are expecting, but you know what i would do if i were in your shoes right now?
I would get myself a completely diferent kit. something simple, a standard 510, or a KR808.
And only then i would see how to fix the problems with your ego.

My reasoning behind this is that the most important thing to do right now, is to get you a functional unit, that keeps you off the cigarettes.

Best of luck man!
 
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