Believe it or not I mis-read your post, must be the time. I'm really sorry man. It has to be a nicotine safety issue
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Believe it or not I mis-read your post, must be the time. I'm really sorry man. It has to be a nicotine safety issue
Don't worry guys. If they ban these things then the Mafia will start bringing them in. 
So what is the best plan right now? Get an electrical engineering degree so you can keep yourself supplied with atomizers... "just in case"?
cause honestly people, I'm spooked.
cause honestly people, I'm spooked.
The FDA doesnt quite know what to do with it yet. Sometimes things get through and sometimes they dont. My point is that if it gets bad enough they can ship them in pieces and can be assembled in the states. Unless they completely ban them, which I think is highly unlikely. If they do I think they will be back in under a year. There are just too many out there for them to ban. Partially thanks to the efforts of some companies (Smoking Everywhere) to make a quick buck. The other thing that might stop them is the Antis. Even Fox found an Anti group that liked them. They may go nuts if they pull them.
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Please, Please keep ALL of your dead parts. If things do go south I will work and work to make a replacement atomizer and batteries. Please note that I said IF. That is a big if. Hope for the best but plan for the worst. -Devon
That said
Please, Please keep ALL of your dead parts. If things do go south I will work and work to make a replacement atomizer and batteries. Please note that I said IF. That is a big if. Hope for the best but plan for the worst. -Devon
Ohh crap they better not take my penstyle away!! I hope they can still sell nicotine free e-liquid and e-cigs and invent a juice with no nic throat hit then we can find a way to add the nicotine if needed
TW are in trouble with Trading Standards at the moment who are out for blood. Pillbox is posting more about it on his forum.
I doubt the hardware would be a problem, looking at my local .... shop! The poisons act is what they are talking about in the UK, juice with over 75mg content.
I doubt the hardware would be a problem, looking at my local .... shop! The poisons act is what they are talking about in the UK, juice with over 75mg content.
(He did not give more details, but said the determination of whether an e-cig is a drug is made on a case-by-case basis after the agency considers its intended use, labeling and advertising.)
Like everyone keeps saying .....it's the wording of the labelling and the advertising that is crucial to the whole thing!
Like everyone keeps saying .....it's the wording of the labelling and the advertising that is crucial to the whole thing!
So, if the worst happens, you'll need some stuff, and it won't be legal.
Speaking hypothetically.... Say, for example, that you have diagnosed yourself with depression / anxiety / some sleep disorder ... whatever. You don't have health insurance, can't afford it, no prescription, etc. What do you do?
Simple. Go online, order some triple-strength meds from some backwoods, typo-riddled website, probably somewhere in India, Canada, China or who knows where. Pay through paypal, and hope for the best.
Sound familiar?
Speaking hypothetically.... Say, for example, that you have diagnosed yourself with depression / anxiety / some sleep disorder ... whatever. You don't have health insurance, can't afford it, no prescription, etc. What do you do?
Simple. Go online, order some triple-strength meds from some backwoods, typo-riddled website, probably somewhere in India, Canada, China or who knows where. Pay through paypal, and hope for the best.
Sound familiar?
Personally, I find this little FDA/WHO propganda campaign against e-cigs pretty comical.
So let me get this straight, Cigarettes, with their 1000's of checmicals, including benzene, formaldehyde, acetone, ammonia, and aresenic (that one's my favorite) to name a few, are "okay". However, a mist containing nicotine, flavoring, and Propylene Glycol is hazardous, and possibly very dangerous. Makes sense...perfect sense.
Obviously the feds can do anything they want, as proven by spending trillions of dollars they don't have, and giving our tax dollars to thieves and degenerates. However, I wouldn't be surprised if in the case of e-cigs, they simply look to regulate the nicotine levels that are in the juices. We all know pure nicotine is poison, so fair enough. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Feds see the potential to make a buck with this as well and are simply stalling until they figure out how to add a tax to this whole industry...let's not forget that every state has a cigarette tax. If e-cigs take off and tons of smokers change over...states lose piles of money...
All just my opinion of course.
So let me get this straight, Cigarettes, with their 1000's of checmicals, including benzene, formaldehyde, acetone, ammonia, and aresenic (that one's my favorite) to name a few, are "okay". However, a mist containing nicotine, flavoring, and Propylene Glycol is hazardous, and possibly very dangerous. Makes sense...perfect sense.
Obviously the feds can do anything they want, as proven by spending trillions of dollars they don't have, and giving our tax dollars to thieves and degenerates. However, I wouldn't be surprised if in the case of e-cigs, they simply look to regulate the nicotine levels that are in the juices. We all know pure nicotine is poison, so fair enough. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Feds see the potential to make a buck with this as well and are simply stalling until they figure out how to add a tax to this whole industry...let's not forget that every state has a cigarette tax. If e-cigs take off and tons of smokers change over...states lose piles of money...
All just my opinion of course.
Let me just add...Our health and safety is not what is paramount to these people...it's all about the money...and how they can get "their share". If it truly were about our health, wouldn't they have banned or more strongly regulated cigarettes a long long time ago??
One last thing I noticed in the article.
Obviously skewing the numbers to meet their needs. I suppose one could vape the equivelant of 16mg per "cigarette," however, doesn't a cartidge equal at least two "cgiarettes" in most cases? I put that as a question because I honestly don't know. My first kit won't be here until next week. All of the reading I've done certainly indicates that a cartridge is equal to several cigarettes.
Obviously skewing the numbers to meet their needs. I suppose one could vape the equivelant of 16mg per "cigarette," however, doesn't a cartidge equal at least two "cgiarettes" in most cases? I put that as a question because I honestly don't know. My first kit won't be here until next week. All of the reading I've done certainly indicates that a cartridge is equal to several cigarettes.
I do think 'they' are going to have a hard time justifying banning vaping even to themselves ......because the simple truth is that health-wise vaping is 'probably' miles better than smoking tobacco and already scientists and doctors are saying exactly the same thing....any argument against vaping on health grounds falls flat and will show the person up as nothing more than a control freak.
I noticed this too, and while it could be viewed as skewed numbers, I think it's actually just bad reporting. I mean if they wanted to scare us with numbers I think they'd have been all over the 36mg liquids.
House committee vote expected this Wednesday regarding FDA regulation of tobacco
Why is Philip Morris supporting FDA regulation of cigarettes? article is from 2002, Philip Morris is still supporting the bill.
Why is Philip Morris supporting FDA regulation of cigarettes? article is from 2002, Philip Morris is still supporting the bill.
Its all about the cash, Does any remeber TAB cola and Splenda Sugar and they're ever so lovely cancer causing, brain tumoring effects that were happily passed thru FDA regulations? Land of the free, right?
Why is Philip Morris supporting FDA regulation of cigarettes?
It wasn't so long ago that Marlboro-maker Philip Morris was public enemy No. 1 in Washington. In 1998, Philip Morris spearheaded a $100 million tobacco-industry advertising and lobbying blitz to fend off the legislation sponsored by Sen. John McCain to put the industry under FDA control.
Its fight was successful, and today cigarettes have less federal oversight than hot dogs. But $74 billion in punitive-damage judgments and more than 1,500 current lawsuits can make even the most recalcitrant corporation rethink its strategy. "We want people to know that we are dealing with the issues that arise from this product, and we think that FDA regulation is the best way to get there," says Philip Morris' Berlind.
Why is Philip Morris supporting FDA regulation of cigarettes?
It wasn't so long ago that Marlboro-maker Philip Morris was public enemy No. 1 in Washington. In 1998, Philip Morris spearheaded a $100 million tobacco-industry advertising and lobbying blitz to fend off the legislation sponsored by Sen. John McCain to put the industry under FDA control.
Its fight was successful, and today cigarettes have less federal oversight than hot dogs. But $74 billion in punitive-damage judgments and more than 1,500 current lawsuits can make even the most recalcitrant corporation rethink its strategy. "We want people to know that we are dealing with the issues that arise from this product, and we think that FDA regulation is the best way to get there," says Philip Morris' Berlind.
This is a very interesting and scary thread!
My favorite joke from the other news story from yesterday is how they tried to say that perhaps the e-cigs would entice young people into nicotine addiction. My first thought was "Hey, how bout that fruit flavored Nicorette Gum in my purse with absolutely no child-proof packaging whatsoever? That's not a problem for anyone?"
Seems like that would slip by a teenagers parents more easily than a conspicuous, expensive electronic device that requires more maintenance than the average adult has the patience for.
My favorite joke from the other news story from yesterday is how they tried to say that perhaps the e-cigs would entice young people into nicotine addiction. My first thought was "Hey, how bout that fruit flavored Nicorette Gum in my purse with absolutely no child-proof packaging whatsoever? That's not a problem for anyone?"
Seems like that would slip by a teenagers parents more easily than a conspicuous, expensive electronic device that requires more maintenance than the average adult has the patience for.
I read that too tallulah, weird isnt it. I wonder what PM's motives are. If tobacco is to be regulated by the FDA, then e-cigs certainly will be too. maybe that is part of their agenda - level the playing field. No other tobacco company is supporting the bill.
Some better News:
Tobacco foes change strategy, accept smokeless products as less harmful than cigarettes
Some better News:
Tobacco foes change strategy, accept smokeless products as less harmful than cigarettes
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From the article:
Nicotine Up Sharply In Many Cigarettes
Some Brands More Than 30% Stronger
By David Brown
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 31, 2006; Page A01
The amount of nicotine in most cigarettes rose an average of almost 10 percent from 1998 to 2004, with brands most popular with young people and minorities registering the biggest increases and highest nicotine content, according to a new study.
Nicotine is highly addictive, and while no one has studied the effect of the increases on smokers, the higher levels theoretically could make new smokers more easily addicted and make it harder for established smokers to quit.
The trend was discovered by the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, which requires that tobacco companies measure the nicotine content of cigarettes each year and report the results.
Nicotine Up Sharply In Many Cigarettes
Some Brands More Than 30% Stronger
By David Brown
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 31, 2006; Page A01
The amount of nicotine in most cigarettes rose an average of almost 10 percent from 1998 to 2004, with brands most popular with young people and minorities registering the biggest increases and highest nicotine content, according to a new study.
Nicotine is highly addictive, and while no one has studied the effect of the increases on smokers, the higher levels theoretically could make new smokers more easily addicted and make it harder for established smokers to quit.
The trend was discovered by the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, which requires that tobacco companies measure the nicotine content of cigarettes each year and report the results.
alot of you are correct on the money part..... What can the gov. get out of it....taxes.....yeah man .....more taxes..... Big business needs to get a chuch from it...so, it will be legal....but cost a lot more to get what you need......
later, Dean
later, Dean
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