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I apologize if this has already been posted.. anyone been to PureSmoker.com today? Go Steve :)

He now sells...
The "Classic/Penstyle Personal Vaporizer"
The "Mini Personal Vaporizer"
The "Pilot Personal Vaporizer"
The "Peewee personal Vaporizer"
etc....

:)

Awesome Im gonna have to start getting used to calling them this now. or PV's for short :)
 

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Yea that might be a good idea, get the resistance and underground scene organized now :) Ill have to make deliveries of juice in my trunk out running the cops... Actually here in Chicago I hear tons of cops are buying the e-cigs and they love them so I don't honestly know how much a ban would be enforced locally around me.

Exactly! There will be enough people out there, forum or no forum, that would be willing to help us out. The thing I wish we could figure out is how to make these atomizers ourselves, in our country. Otherwise, we need a reliable way to get the gear into the country (around US Customs).
 

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I want my stuff! I do not fear the stuff. I know I've personally benefited from not smoking cigarettes. But I also acknowledge that the unknowns about e-smoking are so great that any regulatory agency will have no choice but to reject this practice until there is much deeper evidence to prove safety and efficacy.

This just isn't making sense to me...maybe someone can shed some light on it but...e-cigs effects are unknown, so why would they be banned for this? Analogs' effects are well-known, studied, documented, flat out proven. Frankly, the outcome of those tests couldn't have been much worse! Analogs are not banned. WTF could possibly be in e-liquid to justify banning e-cigs, which would therefore be saying that e-cigs are worse than analogs.

I don't know, I have just been reading a ton of stuff on this board lately, lurking around, actually trying to start up my own business, and start it the right way...slow, cautiously, and with proper intentions in mind. However, it has become mind-blowingly frustrating to read some of the articles that put e-cigs down for no good reason, to stumble along the latest infomercial of a website for a "healthy cigarette", and to read of shipments being held up by the FDA and customs...all the while talking to Chinese wholesalers until 7am who are just trying to screw me out of a USD.:evil::evil:

Sorry about the rant, I just reached my tipping point so any feedback at all would be appreciated more than youll know lol.
 

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Exactly! There will be enough people out there, forum or no forum, that would be willing to help us out. The thing I wish we could figure out is how to make these atomizers ourselves, in our country. Otherwise, we need a reliable way to get the gear into the country (around US Customs).

Oh Im sure we can figure out how to make atomizers. I plan to look into it more. Plus if there was a ban its possible they would just ban juice and not our devices (PV's) If we need to get shipments from over seas I will just have to get a fast boat and smuggle them in from Miami and from cartels... hmmm maybe it would be safer for me to figure out a way to mass produce atomizers in my basement.

Juice can be made easy enough though. Im sure will figure it out, and we can use the internet and current technology to help us.
 
I love how they go from e-cigs being bad and not tested like the patch, gum, and nasal spray.. but somehow it always lead back to how much money the Country makes on cigarette sells..... but still they punish us to smoke outside, and show us commercial telling us we will die if we dont quit.... but they still want us to smoke?! Im confused! America is wacky!
 

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If Snus floats your boat, then enjoy ;)
Smokeless Tobacco and Snus: The Current Evidence for Health Risks
What is Smokeless Tobacco?
Smokeless tobacco, a leaf tobacco product, provides nicotine to users through absorption across the
membranes of the mouth or nose. Two main forms of smokeless tobacco are used in North America:
chewing tobacco and oral snuff. The predominant form is oral snuff, which is sold in powder form as
dipping snuff or in small pre-measured pouches that are placed in the mouth between the cheek and gum.
Swedish snus is a type of oral snuff (see below).
Smokeless tobacco contains sweeteners, flavourings, abrasives, salt and other chemicals. Over two dozen
cancer-causing agents have been identified in traditional smokeless tobacco. The primary carcinogens are
tobacco-specific nitrosamines (TSNAs)1 but the level of TSNAs is affected by processing, refrigeration
and length of storage.2
Health Effects of Traditional North American Smokeless Tobacco
While health risks for smokeless tobacco are lower than for cigarettes, use of smokeless tobacco has a
number of serious health consequences:
• An increased risk of oral cancer (up to 50-fold for cheek and gum cancer among long-term users),
• Soft tissue lesions including oral leukoplakias, thickened white patches on the cheek, gums or
tongue that can be precursors to cancer,
• Periodontal disease, including receding gums, and loss of tooth structure,
• Nicotine addiction,
• Possible contribution to the development of cardiovascular disease, peripheral vascular disease,
hypertension, peptic ulcers, and fetal morbidity and mortality.
What is Snus?
Snus is the Swedish word for moist snuff. It is manufactured and mainly consumed in Sweden and
Norway. Snus is subjected to a heating treatment process that sharply reduces microorganism content; no
fermentation has been used in its production since 1981. This processing method and refrigerated storage
reduce the formation of nitrates and nitrosamines, resulting in a product low in TSNAs.2
A Recent Systematic Review on Health Effects of Snus
A review of the health effects of Swedish snus was released in New Zealand in March 2007.3 The review
found that snus use is associated with a lower risk of several types of cancer compared to cigarette
smoking and has no significantly increased risk of cardiovascular disease. However, there are several
limitations to the studies discussed below, and there are many unanswered questions about the long term
safety of snus and the role it might play, if any, in reducing smoking.
Among the studies reviewed, certain types of snus use were linked to significantly higher risks of cancer
and heart disease. For example, one study found a two-fold risk of esophageal cancer with moderately
intense snus use; another found a two-fold risk of ischemic heart disease and cardiovascular disease
among middle-aged men who used snus exclusively. Many other findings relating to oral cancer and
stroke do not show statistical significance, but the substantial Odds Ratios (1.7-1.9) are a cause for
concern and suggest the need for larger studies with longer follow-up.
Limitations of the Evidence
The New Zealand review included only twelve studies of Swedish snus: six on cancer and six on
cardiovascular disease, all case-control studies, except for one retrospective cohort study. Small sample
sizes and failure to adequately control for potential confounders, such as cigarette smoking, alcohol use,
or exposure to second hand smoke, limited the findings of some studies. Not included in this review was
a recent large well-controlled retrospective cohort study of snus users that showed a doubling of risk of
pancreatic cancer, but no increased risk of oral or lung cancer compared to those who had never used
tobacco.4
Discussion
Potential health hazards for smokeless tobacco products clearly exist, more so for traditional smokeless
tobacco products. Although snus contains TSNAs at relatively lower levels than conventional smokeless
tobacco, evidence points to increased risk of some cancers and heart disease. Further, there is no
guarantee that products marketed as snus in North America will continue to be processed or stored in the
same way as in Sweden, which could result in increased levels of TSNAs.
The long-term health effects of snus use starting early in life are also unclear. This has become a concern
as new types of smokeless snus are introduced to North America (e.g., Camel Snus, Marlboro Snus,
Taboka), and some of these products are clearly aimed at youth (e.g., Taboka packaging resembles a cell
phone).
Although smokeless tobacco has lower risks than cigarettes, its potential role in reducing smoking is
unknown. Widespread substitution of smokeless tobacco, particularly snus, for cigarettes would likely
reduce the overall health burden of tobacco among continuing tobacco users. Smokeless tobacco is
already widely available and advertised in Canada, yet regular use remains at less than 1%. Heavy
promotion would be required to persuade current smokers to switch, but might encourage new smokeless
tobacco users. In fact, smokeless tobacco has been marketed as an alternative to smoking in places where
smoking is prohibited rather than as a substitute for cigarettes. Few women use smokeless, so this would
not likely be an option for most. Pharmaceutical quitting aids such as nicotine gum, or the patch, provide
nicotine but contain extremely low or no TSNAs5, 6 and are typically used for short periods, while
smokeless use is not usually temporary. Further research is needed to assess the health hazards of various
smokeless tobacco products, their impact on the uptake of smoking and their utility, if any, as an aid to
quitting.
References
1. International Agency for Research on Cancer. Smokeless tobacco and tobacco-specific nitrosamines. In: IARC Monographs
on the Evaluation of Carcinogenic Risks to Humans (Vol 89) Lyon, France: In press 2006.
2. Savitz DA, Meyer RE, Tanzer JM, Mirvish SS, Lewin F. Public health implications of smokeless tobacco use as a harm
reduction strategy. Am J Public Health 2006;93:1934-9.
3. Broadstock M. Systematic review of the health effects of modified smokeless tobacco products. New Zealand Health
Technology Assessment Report 2007;10(1).
4. Luo J, Ye W, Zendehdel K, et al. Oral use of Swedish moist snuff (snus) and risk for cancer of the mouth, lung, and
pancreas in male construction workers: a retrospective cohort study. Lancet 2007;369:2015-20.
5. Stepanov I, Jensen J, Hatsukami D, Hecht SS. Tobacco-specific nitrosamines in new tobacco products. Nicotine Tob Res
2006;8:309-13.
6. Hatsukami DK, Lemmonds C, Zhang Y, et al. Evaluation of carcinogen exposure in people who used "reduced exposure"
tobacco products. J Natl Cancer Inst 2004;96:844-52.
 

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Oh Im sure we can figure out how to make atomizers. I plan to look into it more. Plus if there was a ban its possible they would just ban juice and not our devices (PV's) If we need to get shipments from over seas I will just have to get a fast boat and smuggle them in from Miami and from cartels... hmmm maybe it would be safer for me to figure out a way to mass produce atomizers in my basement.

Juice can be made easy enough though. Im sure will figure it out, and we can use the internet and current technology to help us.

I have already made my own e-liquids, so if we could get our own means to make the Personal Vaporizers, then we are in business. And what I mean by "Making Them", I mean "Secretly Make Them".
 

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I have already made my own e-liquids, so if we could get our own means to make the Personal Vaporizers, then we are in business. And what I mean by "Making Them", I mean "Secretly Make Them".

We totally will. In some building where you gotta walk down the dark alley and knock on a big green door and a little slide window opens and someone asks for the password! Would that be secret enough?
 
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Holy Crap, Steve!!!!
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:thumbs:You are officially my favorite supplier ever!!!:thumbs:


I wonder if he will change the domain to "purenonsmoker.com" or "purevaper.com"? or "PurePersonalVaporizers.com"

Hmmm....
 

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We totally will. In some building where you gotta walk down the dark alley and knock on a big green door and a little slide window opens and someone asks for the password! Would that be secret enough?

Precisely! The password will only be distributed to "known vapers &
sympathizers". Everyone else will have to get to know one of them in order to get the gear. Packaging will always be non-descriptive, and the gear might even be hidden within another non-related item.
 

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I wonder if he will change the domain to "purenonsmoker.com" or "purevaper.com"? or "PurePersonalVaporizers.com"

Hmmm....

Steve is the first one to take a step in the right direction. I know name changes for businesses is a hard thing to do. He created a brand with "Puresmoker", but I hope he is considering it. Just the fact that he renamed the devices on the website has officially put him in the #1 spot in my book!:thumb:
 

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Precisely! The password will only be distributed to "known vapers &
sympathizers". Everyone else will have to get to know one of them in order to get the gear. Packaging will always be non-descriptive, and the gear might even be hidden within another non-related item.

We could design them to look like pens and highlighters that actually work. and we could also make a USB thumb drive one that is sorta like a Jantystick. The chances of someone knowing would be slimmed down and we could have vapor bar/hide outs people could hang out at after work and hide from the cops :)

by the way I am planning a highlighter casing right now, been thinking of it for a few days now.
 
Precisely! The password will only be distributed to "known vapers &
sympathizers". Everyone else will have to get to know one of them in order to get the gear. Packaging will always be non-descriptive, and the gear might even be hidden within another non-related item.


We could hide them in those cans of hairspray or candles that unscrew on the bottom and are meant to hide valuables in!
 

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I always go off at the airport for the underwire in my bra and all the rings I wear. I am willing to travel to China and smuggle atomizers in under my boobs. Maybe they could make some sort of Madonna bra out of batteries and carts? And the liquid we can make.. cause I am not putting that poison on my body :)

We need a lot more nice people like you to be willing to step up. For volunteering to be a PV mule, you are officially & permenantly on the "Trust" list!
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I always go off at the airport for the underwire in my bra and all the rings I wear. I am willing to travel to China and smuggle atomizers in under my boobs. Maybe they could make some sort of Madonna bra out of batteries and carts? And the liquid we can make.. cause I am not putting that poison on my body :)

That could work :)

I think I would set up a medical supply company that sells inhalers and vaporizers to people with asthma and use the atomizer technology. I would then ship parts that way to people with "medical needs" to replace and maintain there medical equipment they need to have to be able to breathe :)
 

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That could work :)

I think I would set up a medical supply company that sells inhalers and vaporizers to people with asthma and use the atomizer technology. I would then ship parts that way to people with "medical needs" to replace and maintain there medical equipment they need to have to be able to breathe :)

The only thing that worries me about the medical device idea is all of the regulatory agencies that would look into it. This has to be on the downlow beyond this thread.
 

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The only thing that worries me about the medical device idea is all of the regulatory agencies that would look into it. This has to be on the downlow beyond this thread.

That is true. But i know some stores around here where I can just walk in and by a asthma med vaporizer thingy with out getting bugged. I would provide service to actual people with medical needs. the atomizers for us would be a side deal :) as long as I pay my taxes I shouldn't get bugged haha :)

Honestly though I have thought about running for a political position in my town and try to climb. if we could educate our local politicians on PV's we could completely avoid a possible ban. Plus our new president smokes so if someone could get him to switch to a PV instead of a analog we could be golden then :)
 

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