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You're welcome, Jennydotz.
I see FDA regulation of tobacco. I see Philip Morris as gatekeeper of The Nicotine, I see the big heel of the Marlboro Cowboy Boot eventually squashing Ruyan like a bug, taking over the e-cig market entirely. Or maybe not. Where's Big Pharma in my scenario? Could it eventually become Philip Morris as Godzilla vs. Big Pharma as King Kong?
I see FDA regulation of tobacco. I see Philip Morris as gatekeeper of The Nicotine, I see the big heel of the Marlboro Cowboy Boot eventually squashing Ruyan like a bug, taking over the e-cig market entirely. Or maybe not. Where's Big Pharma in my scenario? Could it eventually become Philip Morris as Godzilla vs. Big Pharma as King Kong?
I wonder if ingredients will have to be listed on analog packages? Along with the USRDA of things like arsenic and ammonia? This will be an interesting thing to watch. Maybe they will get so busy with Analog hooha that e-cigs will have to take a back burner.
We need to politely request to the manufacturers in China & Hong Kong to rename their product "Personal Vaporizers", to stop sending prefilled carts with their starter kits, and stop making any claims of health when marketing their gear. I care far more about keeping the gear than I do the liquid. If we completely separate the liquid from the device quickly enough, we can possibly avoid losing the device in this legal shuffle that is coming. Suppliers, I know your marketing campaigns are geared toward the "E-Cigarette" & "E-Smoking" approaches, but that is a big reason why we are having this problem. Not the only reason, but a big reason, none the less. It's time for the industry to adapt before the powers that be come knocking on the door. Oh wait, they already are....
The most chilling development we've seen in awhile is the story about the upcoming House vote to give authority over tobacco products to the FDA. A day long feared is less than a week away. If you want to mark a day as "the beginning of the end of tobacco products," it will be the day the President signs this into law. And, no, this isn't just about cigarettes. The FDA will quickly regulate the "poisonous and addictive" nicotine in all products sold to the public.
There has been a lot of silly and ignorant skywriting here and elsewhere about all this, but earth-altering shakes are underway for smokers and nicotine addicts. Tallulah, you got it right.
The only good news is the move toward smokeless alternatives. I use them. I cannot live without them. If you're thoroughly addicted to nicotine, you owe it to yourself to become educated on snus and dissolvable tobacco products. They can quickly and easily help you satisfy addiction -- and even live without an e-cig. A lot of information on them is in the Alternatives section of this forum.
The door is closing. What does your stash look like?
There has been a lot of silly and ignorant skywriting here and elsewhere about all this, but earth-altering shakes are underway for smokers and nicotine addicts. Tallulah, you got it right.
The only good news is the move toward smokeless alternatives. I use them. I cannot live without them. If you're thoroughly addicted to nicotine, you owe it to yourself to become educated on snus and dissolvable tobacco products. They can quickly and easily help you satisfy addiction -- and even live without an e-cig. A lot of information on them is in the Alternatives section of this forum.
The door is closing. What does your stash look like?
Tribble- I agree. They cannot make an electronic personal vaporizer illegal. It would be nearly impossible to outlaw this device.. just like they cannot outlaw the sale of "pipes" regardless of what they are used for! Suppliers.. PLEASE tell the wholesalers and manufacturers to stop labeling as cigarettes and including nicotine carts with the devices and we will be okay (for now).
Trop Bob- I consider you to be one of the most educated posters here (even in the short time I have been here) and it scares me to hear you say that!
I am in love with e-cigs.. someone help us save them!
Doesn't SNUS have the potential for mouth cancer, just like any other "smokeless tobacco"?
Scares me, too. I love these things. I have more than a year's supply of liquid, but tend to burn up an atomizer a month and a battery every four or five months. I also fear for my other loves -- pipe tobacco, snus and Stonewall tablets.
I want my stuff! I do not fear the stuff. I know I've personally benefited from not smoking cigarettes. But I also acknowledge that the unknowns about e-smoking are so great that any regulatory agency will have no choice but to reject this practice until there is much deeper evidence to prove safety and efficacy.
As for renaming .. take a look at e-products rejected as "mislabeled" by the FDA. They are electronic cigarettes, and no nomenclature evasion will change that fact. Call them Winky-Dinks if you want to. Won't help them get through. Name games are a dead end and an invitation to stop them all.
Tribble: NO. Read the scientific studies. The tins carry the same unfounded warnings all tobacco products must carry.
I want my stuff! I do not fear the stuff. I know I've personally benefited from not smoking cigarettes. But I also acknowledge that the unknowns about e-smoking are so great that any regulatory agency will have no choice but to reject this practice until there is much deeper evidence to prove safety and efficacy.
As for renaming .. take a look at e-products rejected as "mislabeled" by the FDA. They are electronic cigarettes, and no nomenclature evasion will change that fact. Call them Winky-Dinks if you want to. Won't help them get through. Name games are a dead end and an invitation to stop them all.
Tribble: NO. Read the scientific studies. The tins carry the same unfounded warnings all tobacco products must carry.
Bob, the only studies I have ever seen about any "smokeless tobacco" state clearly that there is a potential for mouth cancer. As far as the renaming subject, I truly feel it can work. I just worry that you are right in the sense that it may be too late for that. Legal rewording has always been a viable option ever since the first Lawyer went into business, way back when.
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I'm just hoping my PS shipment will pass customs into Canada, I placed my order on 16-Feb and it started shipping on 18-Feb.
I thought it would have made it here by now. I don't have tracking, so I can't even tell if it's getting held at customs or if USPS/Canada Post has it stuck at a depot or something!
I thought it would have made it here by now. I don't have tracking, so I can't even tell if it's getting held at customs or if USPS/Canada Post has it stuck at a depot or something!
Here is what I could find on a quick search for SNUS:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17498797
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/70602.php
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17498797
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/70602.php
I honestly believe that the FDA is old and mismanaged. But I do think we need something to regulate the things we consume on a daily basis. The FDA needs to be revamped and modernized and properly funded...
I am new to e-cigs and I love them. Ive been smoking for about a week now and I dont plan and dont want to give it up. I dont think they will be banned but I do think they should be regulated. The batteries and atomizers and everything else should not be touched but I do think a proper system should be set up for Juice (even the zero juice) also ingredients should be printed on the bottles.
I have been cigarette free for 9 days now and I feel amazing. I can breathe and i dont cough up junk and I actually feel alive. Ive been smoking 14 years since I was 11. I feel happier also. I dont want to lose my ecig. I still use Snus every so often but other then that I am clean and will never ever go back and its all thanks to the ecig. If they do ban them I will riot (or peacefully protest depending on my mood that day)
I am new to e-cigs and I love them. Ive been smoking for about a week now and I dont plan and dont want to give it up. I dont think they will be banned but I do think they should be regulated. The batteries and atomizers and everything else should not be touched but I do think a proper system should be set up for Juice (even the zero juice) also ingredients should be printed on the bottles.
I have been cigarette free for 9 days now and I feel amazing. I can breathe and i dont cough up junk and I actually feel alive. Ive been smoking 14 years since I was 11. I feel happier also. I dont want to lose my ecig. I still use Snus every so often but other then that I am clean and will never ever go back and its all thanks to the ecig. If they do ban them I will riot (or peacefully protest depending on my mood that day)
Bob, from reading the bill (it may have changed from this version) it appears that Congress would be reserving the power for itself, not the FDA, to ban cigarettes and/or nicotine. See Page 61, beginning with line 15. This would seem to support the statement in the earlier article I posted as to why Philip Morris is supporting the bill. That clause is probably the only reason the company hasn't spent billions on lobbying efforts to quash the bill -- if it passes into law as worded in this version, there's little chance they'll be regulated out of business. Which may mean, at least for the short term, we and the Marlboro Man are on the same side of the issue.
I won't riot, but if they ban them, then I will do what I can to create a black market for them. I don't want my country to make me a criminal, but I will become one if I have to. I hate tobacco now, In All Forms, and I will break the law if I have to, to keep myself away from evil tobacco and to keep my "Personal Vaporizer".
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Well Ill do what I can to help you
If we all stick together it will be very hard for them to do anything about it also. Cus I mean honestly banning things in this country has never worked out very well for our government.
Well Ill do what I can to help you
Maybe we should get the network started right now. It would be cool to find a supplier that felt the same way. If there are any out there, you all know where to PM us.
I apologize if this has already been posted.. anyone been to PureSmoker.com today? Go Steve
He now sells...
The "Classic/Penstyle Personal Vaporizer"
The "Mini Personal Vaporizer"
The "Pilot Personal Vaporizer"
The "Peewee personal Vaporizer"
etc....
He now sells...
The "Classic/Penstyle Personal Vaporizer"
The "Mini Personal Vaporizer"
The "Pilot Personal Vaporizer"
The "Peewee personal Vaporizer"
etc....
Yea that might be a good idea, get the resistance and underground scene organized now
Ill have to make deliveries of juice in my trunk out running the cops... Actually here in Chicago I hear tons of cops are buying the e-cigs and they love them so I don't honestly know how much a ban would be enforced locally around me.
You are officially my favorite supplier ever!!!- Status
