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EDIT: Nude Nicotine does not sucks

Discussion in 'DIY E-Liquid' started by Alien Traveler, Dec 2, 2017.

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  1. Alien Traveler

    Alien Traveler Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 3, 2014
    United States
    Catching a trend (while reading DIY forum) I decided to test nicotine salts, so I ordered free ($2.75) sample from Nude Nicotine. What a disappointment... It's yellow! I am even reluctant to taste it.
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    I always sought NN is a reliable supplier. Looks like not anymore.
    Or it's me? May be I am just a fool, and nicotine salts should be yellow?

    EDIT: Yes, it was me who was wrong. See next post from Sugar_and_Spice
     
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  2. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Yes, it should be yellow. They offer a complete explanation on Nicotine River's site about why the color exists. I don't know why Nude nic does not.

    But it should be fine, but of course its up to you if you decide to try it.

    :)
     
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  3. Alien Traveler

    Alien Traveler Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 3, 2014
    United States
    Thanks. Will try it in 10 minutes.
     
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  4. halfempty

    halfempty Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 25, 2014
    Miami, FL
    They do, but it's buried at the end of a boring page.

    Nicotine Salt Solutions - Nude Nicotine

    "The use of the cationic salts may accelerate the color change of the nicotine salt solution, but is by no means indicative of oxidation therein."
     
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  5. Katya

    Katya ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Feb 23, 2010
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    There's nothing wrong with NN smooth salt solutions. :)

    High quality nic, PG and VG.
     
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  6. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Tucson, AZ
    Yup my nic salts are (and remain) a very pale yellow... :)

    Anna
     
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  7. Alien Traveler

    Alien Traveler Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 3, 2014
    United States
    But mine is not pale yellow, it is yellow-brownish. Not pale. If I do decide to buy more, I'll wait at least two months - to get them rid of their current supply.
    Are you buying your salts from NN?
     
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  8. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Nope, Nicotine River. In my opinion, they do a great job. :)

    Anna
     
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  9. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Me too......

    :)
     
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  10. Letitia

    Letitia Nano Junkie ECF Veteran

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    My nic salts from LNW are clear.
     
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  11. madstabber

    madstabber Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    I don’t use nicotine salts just the regular stuff but nicotine river sells quality stuff at a great price. Also the have lots of flavors sold in larger quantities so it ls a great one stop shop for all your diy needs and you won’t have to pay shipping from multiple sites.
     
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  12. Sloth Tonight

    Sloth Tonight Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 25, 2014
    Adirondacks
    In my experience that's pretty yellow for a fresh order, mine look like that after a brief time outside a freezer though. Definitely not an issue, but definitely more yellow than a fresh order should be IMHO. I bet their samples they send are not made-to-order but who knows.
     
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  13. Alien Traveler

    Alien Traveler Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 3, 2014
    United States
    Thanks for answers.
    Now I see that NN sucks a bit. Their nicotine salts are darker than those from other sellers. If I decide to buy more of salts, it will be not from NN.
    By the way, I did liked the stuff. Isn't it the same thing Big Tobacco was blamed for?
     
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  14. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Not sure what you mean? Big tobacco added all kinds of chemicals, etc WITHOUT informing the public what they were doing. It wasn't until the big court battles that won the states their settlements after it was proven that cigarettes are harmful to our health. So, if I am forgetting something, please remind me.
    I don't see any vendors adding stuff secretly into any of the flavors we buy. No one is forcing vapers to use nic salts unknowingly. Its simply a choice. Nothing else.
     
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  15. Alien Traveler

    Alien Traveler Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 3, 2014
    United States
    Freebase nicotine - SourceWatch
    But I am asking question, not answering it. I do not want any answers from vaping sites (like I do not want any tobacco-related health answers from tobacco sites).
    Tobacco companies were increasing "hit" from nicotine. Doesn't nicotine salts have the same quality?
     
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  16. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I seem to remember NN having 3 different versions of nic salts. One was regular, one was smooth, and one was hit or something like that. And if these products are increasing the 'hit' from nic salts, the buyer knows exactly what they are buying. And the buyer is choosing to do so. With cigarettes, we did not have a choice and didn't know they were adding stuff as they were sneaky about it. We just kept buying cigs with no clue as to exactly what we were inhaling. To me that is the difference.
     
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  17. IDJoel

    IDJoel Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
    I think you have it backwards @Alien Traveler,
    Nicotine, as it naturally occurs in tobacco leaves, is in the form of salts. Tobacco companies got the black eye for using ammonia (and other toxic chemicals) to convert these salt forms to freebase form; which is the form that is more readily bio-available, and therefore provides better hit ("hit" meaning better/faster absorption; and not to be confused with throat hit).

    @dannyv45 has a great article (in 2 parts) on it in his blogs here:
    https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/blog-entry/nicotine-what-is-it-exactly-part-1.5449/
    Nicotine, What is it exactly? Part 2 | E-Cigarette Forum

    As for nic salts being used in e-liquids; I have read two basic rationals. One is, when used in tandem with our regular nicotine, it can provide another "layer" of nicotine that some find helpful when try to quit using tobacco products (similar to WTAs). The other, was when the pod-style vapes were (are being) developed; as they could use the salts at much higher (as much as 48-50mg/mL?) strengths without having excessive/prohibitive throat-hit.

    What NN might be adding to their formulation to increase throat-hit; I have ZERO clue.

    I should add: I am not even remotely educated in chemistry; so I may be 100% wrong, but this is as I understand it. I welcome any, and all, corrections.
     
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  18. Letitia

    Letitia Nano Junkie ECF Veteran

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    Apr 2, 2017
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    To create nic salts you have to add ingredients. Some companies release and share their recipe for their salts, some don't. There is a vaping sub culture that revolves around mixing salts.
     
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  19. ChelsB

    ChelsB Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    California
    This probably isn’t the place, but what’s the difference between NETs and WTAs?
     
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  20. Letitia

    Letitia Nano Junkie ECF Veteran

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    Kinda wondering myself. I don't use tobacco vapes myself. I think one is made directly from tobacco and the other adds the alkoids found in tobacco.
     
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