Effects When First Vaping?

[VNeil]

Nicotine Propaganda

My own thoughts... nicotine will probably not be addictive for you. Technically, it is no more harmful than caffeine, nor any more "addictive" (maybe less). However, drinking coffee and tea is 12000% more PC than vaping. And the govt would like to tax you for vaping, to the tune of about $3000/year. The masses would never stand for that kind of tax on their caffeine.

 

[VaporDaze]

One of my friends is just like you, never smoked aside from the occasional cigar here and there and wanted to get into vaping after seeing me do it. I hooked him up with an old mod of mine and a bottle of 0mg juice and he loves it. When he wants the occasional buzz he uses a 3mg or even a 1.5mg for a few pulls and goes back to his 0. I personally wouldn't do a 12mg for just starting, I can hardly stand a 6mg and I smoked pretty heavy for 7 years

 

[minimalsaint]

PLEASE, do yourself a favor, a huge favor, and if you're going to vape use Zero nic. If you need a buzz, take a couple of shots of whiskey, but please don't get started on nicotine. Trust me, it's an addiction that you don't want to have.

Because alcoholism is one that he needs instead. Seriously with this?

 

[greasegizzard]

I don't what type of setup you're using, but I smoked 1-2 packs a day for the last 10 years, and I'm only using 6mg nic juice. I recommend the same as everyone else, vape with 0mg nic.

 

[fitzinthewindow]

Because alcoholism is one that he needs instead. Seriously with this?

No, not alcholism, but responsible drinking. Millions of people drink responsibly. But, have you EVER met a responsible smoker?

 

[AndriaD]

If you've never been addicted to smoking, then nicotine will not be addictive -- it is the reinforcement of all the other chemicals in cigarettes that causes addiction, not the nicotine alone. I can't believe how many people STILL think that "just nicotine" will be addictive!

For someone who's never been a habitual smoker, I'd suggest using no more than 6mg, because when you feel that dizziness, then nausea usually isn't too far behind.

Nicotine has a lot of beneficial effects, and as I said above, if you've never been addicted to cigarettes, then nicotine will not be addictive; at most, you might develop a tolerance/dependence similar to that of a habitual coffee/cola drinker for caffeine, but no more than that. You will NOT turn into a "nicotine fiend," so if the worst does come to pass with the FDA, it would be pretty easy to give it up rather than be extorted.

Andria

 

[sparkky1]

@fitzinthewindow I have heard this from many people. I certainly believe it is not a good addiction, but what about the addiction is bad? I just don't understand because I'm not addicted, could you help explain

Cut your nic down to 3 mg/ml on your next order .................

 

[greasegizzard]

Wow, I've read it all now. If it's just the act of smoking that is addictive, then what are smokeless tobacco users addicted to? Also, caffeine withdrawals aren't that pleasant either.

 

[minimalsaint]

No, not alcholism, but responsible drinking. Millions of people drink responsibly. But, have you EVER met a responsible smoker?

Lots of them. Still don't see your point.
OP was not a smoker. You suggest alcohol, shots of hard liquor no less, as an alternative to seek a buzz rather than nicotine from an e-cig because (and I may be wrong here) it is a better choice?
Doesn't sound all that responsible to me.

 

[subohmboy]

If you've never been addicted to smoking, then nicotine will not be addictive -- it is the reinforcement of all the other chemicals in cigarettes that causes addiction, not the nicotine alone. I can't believe how many people STILL think that "just nicotine" will be addictive!

For someone who's never been a habitual smoker, I'd suggest using no more than 6mg, because when you feel that dizziness, then nausea usually isn't too far behind.

Nicotine has a lot of beneficial effects, and as I said above, if you've never been addicted to cigarettes, then nicotine will not be addictive; at most, you might develop a tolerance/dependence similar to that of a habitual coffee/cola drinker for caffeine, but no more than that. You will NOT turn into a "nicotine fiend," so if the worst does come to pass with the FDA, it would be pretty easy to give it up rather than be extorted.

Andria

Thank you for this post. Nicotine can be habit forming, sure, but head to head with other common chemicals, it is far from 'addictive'. It is no more addictive than caffeine, or surely sugar (which is more addictive than coca--ne), or even exercise.

The sheer ignorance around here is mind boggling. Small amounts of nicotine are basically fine for humans. There are plenty of peer reviewed sources to back this up.


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[Heybilox]

I am so surprised that there are still 2 camps on this forum regarding nicotine.
there have been recent active threads about the health benefits. I'm thinking it was on this forum that I was first introduced to the research of Dr. Paul Newhouse at Vanderbilt.
My mother who is 86 years old and has been diagnosed with PSP progressive supranuclear palsy is starting on nicotine therapy.
Nicotine has been demonized but it is not addictive.

 

[AndriaD]

Thank you for this post. Nicotine can be habit forming, sure, but head to head with other common chemicals, it is far from 'addictive'. It is no more addictive than caffeine, or surely sugar (which is more addictive than coca--ne), or even exercise.

The sheer ignorance around here is mind boggling. Small amounts of nicotine are basically fine for humans. There are plenty of peer reviewed sources to back this up.

I'm even a former smoker of very long standing (39 yrs), and reducing nicotine, if done slowly, is a snap -- very, very similar to slowly reducing caffeine intake, and a great deal easier than reducing the level of WTA, which I've required in order to stave off cravings -- nicotine by itself never alleviated any cravings for me! I'm down to 5mg nicotine now, and expect I'll stay there, for the brain benefits of nicotine -- I have two different types of dementia in my gene pool, and I'd really rather keep my marbles where they belong. And I'm down to .7% WTA now, so that addiction will very soon be gone, but it's taken over a year to bring it down from 10%. Those other alkaloids, including the MAOIs of course, taken along with nicotine, are FAR!!! more addictive than nicotine by itself could EVER be -- someone using JUST nicotine, who's never become habituated to actual tobacco use of any kind, is EXTREMELY unlikely to develop ANY dependence on nicotine.

I'm EXTREMELY addicted to sugar, so fond of it that I willingly exercise moderation in its consumption, so that I never reach a point of active diabetes and have to eliminate it entirely -- I like it too much for that!

Andria

 

[VNeil]

Wow, I've read it all now. If it's just the act of smoking that is addictive, then what are smokeless tobacco users addicted to? Also, caffeine withdrawals aren't that pleasant either.

Smokeless tobacco is still tobacco, and it contains hundreds of other compounds that are not present in vape juice. You've been propagandized since childhood to believe that nicotine=tobacco. That is simply not true and it is time to wake up and observe the facts of the matter.

The facts: hundreds of test subjects have been given nicotine, in conjunction with scientific studies looking at potential mental health benefits, and NONE, ZERO of these subjects reported withdrawal symptoms at the conclusion of the studies when the nic was discontinued. These studies lasted up to 9 months.

What is not generally known now is the effect of consuming nicotine, without tobacco, for many years. However, NRTs have been available for OTC for over 20 years now yet there are no reports of common withdrawal symptoms.

 

[Jack Franks]

Hi there
I am new to vaping and had some questions about the effects. I am 18, and never really smoked cigs. I've always been interested in smoking and had a few cigs, but tried hard not to get hooked because of a bad family history. I believe vaping is much safer, so I took it up before getting hooked on cigs.
I'm vaping 12mg, and I can definitely tell a bit of a difference when vaping. After vaping 5mins+, I get a little bit dizzy. It's not a bad feeling at all, it feels good. Almost like a really light light buzz from drinking. I was wondering if this is normal from someone who doesn't use nicotine? or am I imagining things?

The dizziness is

 

[The Shotcaller]

As everyone said if you're not addicted to smoking consider vaping 0mg juice. Are you using one of those little vape pens or a tank?

 

[Bunnykiller]

Welcome to the world of Nicotine.... I started off at about 11yo taking a few puffs off the ciggies my dad would throw away in the yard. Eventually I built up to a 3 pack a day habit... I now vape 36 nic juice... enjoy the ride, its expensive and very habit forming

 

[WattWick]

enjoy the ride, its expensive and very habit forming

I like the angle.

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Nitpickery of the addictive nature (or not) of nicotine is all well and good - on a my-link-is-better-than-your-link pseudointellectual level. But! I find it bad form to base direct, personal advice on ones ability to Google up support for ones beliefs.

 

[VNeil]

I like the angle.

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Nitpickery of the addictive nature (or not) of nicotine is all well and good - on a my-link-is-better-than-your-link pseudointellectual level. But! I find it bad form to base direct, personal advice on ones ability to Google up support for ones beliefs.

This is not a matter of "my link is better than your link". There is NO credible evidence that nicotine, delivered outside of tobacco, is addictive. All links discussing the addictive nature of nicotine simply label nicotine as the sole evil causative agent, while discussing the affects of tobacco. And that is a FACT until someone finds such a credible link.

The FACT here is not if nicotine could be addictive, if vaped long term. The FACT is the lack of evidence that nicotine delivered by itself is addictive. Even the FDA acknowledged that here:

Federal Register | Modifications To Labeling of Nicotine Replacement Therapy Products for Over-the-Counter Human Use

You have to dig deep to find this...

"We also note that although any nicotine-containing product has the potential to be addicting, based on the available evidence, currently marketed OTC NRT products do not appear to have significant potential for abuse or dependence. A 2010 review of historical reports made to the Agency's Adverse Event Reporting System and to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration's Drug Abuse Warning Network between 1984 and 2009 suggested that NRT products have a low potential for abuse. Several published studies have also found that the abuse liability and dependence potential of NRT products is low, especially compared to cigarettes (see West et al., 2000; Houtsmuller et al., 2002)."

The FDA concluded that there is little or no cause for concern related to nicotine addiction, when used outside of tobacco in NRTs, and therefore it changed the labeling requirements of NRTs. That is also a basis for allowing OTC sales.

 

[Visionairy]

To the OP. Don't start nicotine because you like the buzz. That will go away very soon and you will probably never feel that again, so don't get your hopes up.

I've become convinced over my years of switching between vaping and smoking, that a large part of what keeps us hooked on cigarettes is many many other chemicals. I've called it the "carbon monoxide buzz". Otherwise there would be NO reason to have any difficulty trading smoking for vaping. Even at ridiculous nic levels vaping (up to 60mg for me, at low wattage) I have a hard time quitting smoking completely. I think I'm really addicted to benzene and formaldehyde, or some other nasty chemicals.

BUT, do NOT start nicotine if you haven't smoked.

As far as that government report referenced above. I just don't buy it. I'd need to see more. Convincing me that nic is not addictive would be about as hard as convincing me the sky is not blue.

One point though, I've read that some people have a particular liver enzyme that reduces that individuals propensity to actually become addicted to nicotine, or smoking. I believe this because of the people I know who are light smokers and can quit at the drop of a hat.

 

[VNeil]

To the OP. Don't start nicotine because you like the buzz. That will go away very soon and you will probably never feel that again, so don't get your hopes up.

I've become convinced over my years of switching between vaping and smoking, that a large part of what keeps us hooked on cigarettes is many many other chemicals. I've called it the "carbon monoxide buzz". Otherwise there would be NO reason to have any difficulty trading smoking for vaping. Even at ridiculous nic levels vaping (up to 60mg for me, at low wattage) I have a hard time quitting smoking completely. I think I'm really addicted to benzene and formaldehyde, or some other nasty chemicals.

BUT, do NOT start nicotine if you haven't smoked.

As far as that government report referenced above. I just don't buy it. I'd need to see more. Convincing me that nic is not addictive would be about as hard as convincing me the sky is not blue.

One point though, I've read that some people have a particular liver enzyme that reduces that individuals propensity to actually become addicted to nicotine, or smoking. I believe this because of the people I know who are light smokers and can quit at the drop of a hat.

I find it interesting that in the same post you both claim that you are addicted to something other than nic, but at the same time refuse to believe the reports. You will never "buy it" because you insist on viewing this issue through the eyes and experience of a smoker. You can never experience nicotine use as a never smoker.

If you need yet more evidence, and you are interested, look for studies conducted by Dr Paul Newhouse. Here is a second hand report of his research that will get you started:

New Study Shows that Nicotine Is Safe and Even Beneficial - ChurnMag

With all the propaganda put out by the gov't to support their takeover of the vaping industry, don't you find it odd that even the FDA had to acknowledge, in 2013, in the middle of that propaganda war, that nicotine is not addictive?

You cannot find a single study finding nicotine is addictive when delivered as an NRT with other benign substances. If it were out there, it would be blaring headlines everywhere. The researcher would probably get a Nobel Prize, or at least a lifetime of fat gov't funded grant money. Because there is no evidence, not even something concocted like the trace diketone findings in ecigs, the gov't is reduced to looking for those trace elements and other propaganda lies. Please open your eyes and look past the propaganda that started long before you were born. And understand that smokers and never smokers seem to react very differently to nicotine.