EJuice label?

[Zztalk.talkzz]

We need some standards so as to clean up this mess before Federal Laws get passed and limit our ability to DIY?
Edited & Simplified (5/29) for clarity.

1) Ingredients List
Standard Ingredients by volume (27PG/56VG/1.2NIC/15.8-Other) Nic 99.97 pure.
- PG/VG/Nic/Other total % by volume. (From all individual ingredients) [Should equal 100]
- Other? now... List of chemical ingredients FDA requires on labels like colouring, sugars, acids, water, alcohol & Flavour Stabilisers.

2) Warning label:
Keep away from children and never Ingest(eat/drink) or inject! Or whatever legal people suggest

3) Small print for tracking and vender legal safety:
- Nic purity, Origen, age, mix date, expiration (actual manufacturer & date/batch# for tracking reasons like with beef)
- List of Solvents: If "Home-made" or solvent extraction is"in house" to concentrate or isolate whats wanted from the unwanted.
(Solvents like H20, PG, VG, alcohol, C02, N02, petroleum, acetone, ISO, lighter-fluid.)
(Because some salvants are "less-toxic" than others in trace amounts: see objections by health organizations for lists)
(Not important for mixers if buying concentrates from venders ignore, that info can be easily tracked after, just keep good records)

***If you are a ejuice vender understand, if you want to make real $$$ you must learn to play by other people's Rules... Not yours!***
******Or, as a sales man "don't sell from your pocket, the buyer may have more or less"******

If a vender was trustworthy and had this info on bottle... I would pay $1 per mil? Without it... 33-50¢.

 

[TTK]

It is actually a good idea. It is in the public interest. But, you can count the number of "professional" eliquid manufacturers on the fingers of one hand. All the others are well.......! This is the reason this industry will never get its act together and the Feds will come down with whatever they wish. This is the great weakness of vaping and there is nothing that any organization can say or do to mitigate it. AEMSA was a step in the right direction, but what happened to that? As long as we can get nic from those places we get it now, they can close all eliquid sites as far as I am concerned that won't put full disclosure on the bottles and be subject to inspection.

 

[Zztalk.talkzz]

It is actually a good idea. It is in the public interest. But, you can count the number of "professional" eliquid manufacturers on the fingers of one hand. All the others are well.......! This is the reason this industry will never get its act together and the Feds will come down with whatever they wish. This is the great weakness of vaping and there is nothing that any organization can say or do to mitigate it. AEMSA was a step in the right direction, but what happened to that? As long as we can get nic from those places we get it now, they can close all eliquid sites as far as I am concerned that won't put full disclosure on the bottles and be subject to inspection.

If you could PM me that one hand list I would love to email each one and ask specific questions about my specific Allergies... I'm looking for at least 3 I can really count on that's under .50$ per mill (even if I have to buy in 250+ size, if I find something that works for me, would eventually be able to pay more but budgets are budgets)... It looks like I may have to DIY but don't want to risk it with kids in apartment and no safe?

 

[Amish3006]

There's no way I'd pay 1$ml for e-liquid. With my current rate of consumption, I wouldn't be saving any money. I started vaping for health reasons and the savings were an added bonus. I couldn't see myself spending the same amount on this habit as I did on my old one. I would quit vaping if it cost the same or more.

 

[tokyovapr]

I know this isn't going to be popular, but I'll say it anyway. Ultimately, to avoid an outright ban by the FDA, I think we'll be looking at licenses to get pure nicotine. And probably restrictions for over-the-counter sales for anything over X mg per ml. I'm not sure I care, if it keeps e-juice legal.

Pure nicotine is deadly poison. As in if you cupped your hand and I filled it with pure nicotine and then you dumped it on the ground, the amount left on your hand by mere absorption through your skin would kill you within minutes. It's only a matter of time before someone dies handling it making their own e-juice. Or god forbid a kid dies like happened in Israel; it would be all over CNN.

I'm all for the idea of a testing/certification/labeling body, again if it keeps it legal. I'd like to know the juice I'm vaping has toxins or solvents.

 

[Iron Molly]

No one (that I know of) uses 100% nicotine for DIY--that would require a lab setting. Highest percentage I've seen sold anywhere is 100 mg/ml, which does also require some care in handling. The designation of "pure" in a description can also mean free from impurities. Therefore, you can have some nic base that is 36 mg/ml and labelled 99% "pure".

 

[aikanae1]

It is actually a good idea. It is in the public interest. But, you can count the number of "professional" eliquid manufacturers on the fingers of one hand. All the others are well.......! This is the reason this industry will never get its act together and the Feds will come down with whatever they wish. This is the great weakness of vaping and there is nothing that any organization can say or do to mitigate it. AEMSA was a step in the right direction, but what happened to that? As long as we can get nic from those places we get it now, they can close all eliquid sites as far as I am concerned that won't put full disclosure on the bottles and be subject to inspection.

Email me that list too because I'd like to see who the other few hundred juice makers are using. I also assume you failed to see the report on 18 different juice companies that were tested and returned with the conclusion they were "surprisingly high quality".

You might also want to review the tobacco companies offerings with NO labeling, no nic levels and why wouldn't they also use the same 4,000 chemicals that's kept smokers addicted for 30+ years or more. You might also note there is nothing in the deeming regulation aimed at setting standards, inspection, or protecting public safety like purity of nicotine. Instead it's all about addressing the commercial marketplace; who can buy what, where and how.

I tend to think the number one reason that'll keep the vaping community from developing further is not having a cool few million to toss into Congress' pockets. That's all that most trade orgainizations do anymore.

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[aikanae1]

I know this isn't going to be popular, but I'll say it anyway. Ultimately, to avoid an

 

[TTK]

Email me that list too because I'd like to see who the other few hundred juice makers are using. I also assume you failed to see the report on 18 different juice companies that were tested and returned with the conclusion they were "surprisingly high quality".

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You assume correctly. Do you have a link to the study/report you referenced?