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One of the primary reasons to quit smoking for me is to be able to have higher lung capacity (for rapping). What is the effect of pure nicotine on lungs or other aspects of this type?

I've noticed using them so far I'm having the same effect as when i tried to quit, coughing up stuff collected in my lungs.

Coughing up the gunk is likely a good sign. One of the big ideas of vaping is you're not sucking tar and who knows how many chemicals into your lungs.

Though one question, are you maybe doing an inhale like a regular cig? You know, into the lungs? That'll make you cough. I did it my first few times and almost tossed the disposable out.

Here's a library article about it...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/337017-inhalation-technique-e-cigarette.html

I haven't been around all that long myself but I see a lot of folks say that coughing up the tar and gunk in your lungs is pretty normal. Just like quitting. I don't know what nicotine may or may not do to the lungs but you were getting that with regular cigs anyway. It's all the other crud that's cut out in vaping.

I know I started noticing a difference in my energy level in pretty short period of time. As I'm prone to saying, not like I was ready to run a marathon or anything but it wasn't long before I noticed I was getting more done. Probably from getting more oxygen in my lungs instead of smoke...
 

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the liquid used in e cigarettes contains only a small percentage of nicotine so when you see it say 24mg, that's 2.4% nicotine. In my experience, I tend to get winded from higher levels of nicotine but I really think it depends on juice itself. I started off using Johnson Creek (blu Cigs) and I had more phlegm build up than when i was smoking analogs. I'm sure plenty of people have had no issues with that particular juice but I certainly had side effects. Seems with the real thick VG juices, some people have a sensitivity to it. I love bobas bounty but cannot vape it all day cuz I end up cough up phlegm. But look into different vg/pg ratios and see what works for you. I'm absolutely fine with even a 70/30 VG/PG. There's much to learn in the vaping world. I can tell ya I feel so much better than when I smoked now that I've found the right nicotine level and vg/pg ratio.
 

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I used to wheeze for years. I was so worried it was COPD, or something terrible caused by my analogs. It's been about 11 days so far analog free and I noticed the wheezing that I had for years is gone. Completely gone. It's miraculous. I think it's because I'm not smoking and because vaping is delivering warm mist to my lungs.
 

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As for my personal experience, I've been vaping exclusively now for 35 days, and I already have noticed that I no longer have chest congestion. For years, when I took a deep breath and then exhaled, I could feel the gurgling and congestion in my chest. Now, I can breathe deeply and all I hear is the clean whoosh of air. It's nice.

I've also noticed that kiddie pool toys are easier to blow up, I'm no longer dizzy by the time I'm done and I don't need a break in the middle any more. :)
 

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There are many posts I've read in this forum in the last few days...testimonials, if you will....of very long time smokers (20,30 even 50+ years!) who took up vaping and found that within a short order of time that several things happened:

-Morning cough went away or was drastically reduced, even with those that had emphysema or COPD. If you have emphysema SEARCH THIS FORUM for some needed info about e-cigs.
-They slept better, and awoke more rested. Probably primarily as a side effect of not coughing while in their sleep and thus getting more restful and less disturbed sleep.
-The breathed better overall, and the senses of taste and smell especially (some cases even hearing as well) were dramatically improved after a short amount of time.

It stands to reason these will be true for you as well. Vaping *should* result in you noticing an increased lung capacity after your lungs have undergone a transition period and removed some or most of the tar and other blockages that have prevented you from breathing well as a previous smoker.

Also to note, smokers as a general rule tend to breathe more shallowly on average than most non-smokers, EXCEPT when they inhale smoke. Thus most smokers get a bit of a double whammy without even realizing it. The only time they're breathing deeply is when they are inhaling smoke, so they're getting more oxygen than during normal breaths as well as lungfuls of toxic chemicals and nicotine. I tend to be a deep breather normally, so this sort of thing is less common for me but it is very noted for most smokers that they breathe much more shallowly as a general rule.

Smoking has been shown to dramatically dull the sense of smell and taste as well, which makes it easier to breathe more shallowly because you're not taking deeper breaths like you would on a nice day when the air is fresh and enjoyable....because you're not sensing it as much as would a non-smoker.

Hope that helps and welcome to the world of vaping!
 
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the liquid used in e cigarettes contains only a small percentage of nicotine so when you see it say 24mg, that's 2.4% nicotine. In my experience, I tend to get winded from higher levels of nicotine but I really think it depends on juice itself. I started off using Johnson Creek (blu Cigs) and I had more phlegm build up than when i was smoking analogs. I'm sure plenty of people have had no issues with that particular juice but I certainly had side effects. Seems with the real thick VG juices, some people have a sensitivity to it. I love bobas bounty but cannot vape it all day cuz I end up cough up phlegm. But look into different vg/pg ratios and see what works for you. I'm absolutely fine with even a 70/30 VG/PG. There's much to learn in the vaping world. I can tell ya I feel so much better than when I smoked now that I've found the right nicotine level and vg/pg ratio.

Yeah, everybody's different. I started (and still mostly use but I'm moving away) Blu and do fine on theirs. Which I think is 100% VG. Bought a few prefilled Boge cartos from a vendor nearby and they're... uh... Dekang 80/20 PG/VG. And I'm not liking it as much. Or its the flavors? Can't tell at this point. I just bought a few to try some flavors out and see if I liked them. But the vapor is... wrong? I've got a 50/50 on order (same Boge carto) to try and see how that goes. Seems I prefer VG over PG but I'm still pretty new at this and testing things out.

These higher PG seem to irritate my throat a little. Well, maybe. That's also, I understand, a common symptom of quitting regular cigs.

Dunno. Just have to keep experimenting to figure out what works best for me...
 

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-They slept better, and awoke more rested.

I know I am. And I'm prone to insomnia.

I'm sleeping better lately. And my resting heart rate has fallen. And I believe my blood pressure is down some. Already. In, what, a week and a half?

Wish I'd found out about vaping sooner!
 

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Interesting article....I found it interesting the 2 "techniques" of smoking and the difference with an eCig.

First, when I started using eCigs, the long, slow draw technique was stressed in the instructions....eCigs being different from tobacco cigs in that with a tobacco cig, a sharp, hard inhale would produce more dense smoke.... but quite the opposite with an eCig because it wouldn't give the atomizer time to develop vapor and too much air would get mixed in......so, a long, slow draw of 5-7 seconds was recommended.

This was the only difference for me from tobacco cigs.

As far as a "suck in the mouth" method versus "direct inhale".....I had to think about the "direct inhale" for a minute to identify exactly what that was. I've never, ever smoked like that. I always took a draw into my mouth, then inhaled it.....slowly exhaling out of my mouth and nose. Or the good old French Inhale, pushing it out with your tongue and inhaling through the nose. Everyone I've ever seen smoke a cigarette does that....some with more dramatic effect of opening the mouth to show the smoke before inhaling, or maybe pushing a little out then inhaling it back in.

I have never seen someone "direct inhale" a cigarette....and if I'm reading it correctly as inhaling at the same time as sucking....well, the only time I've ever seen that was when someone smoked a.....ummm.... non-tobacco product. Or, first time smoker that coughed their heads off.

In any case, I use my eGo just like I did a tobacco cig, except use a longer, slower mouthful draw....then inhale the dense mouthful and slowly exhale through my mouth and nose. It's very satisfying that way, physically and psychologically since I see a volume of "smoke" on exhale.
 

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I have never seen someone "direct inhale" a cigarette....and if I'm reading it correctly as inhaling at the same time as sucking....well, the only time I've ever seen that was when someone smoked a.....ummm.... non-tobacco product. Or, first time smoker that coughed their heads off.
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Im so glad you said that because I have never direct inhaled either and it didnt occur to me that some people might smoke that way lol. Thought for a minute there that maybe I was the weird one!
 

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I haven't been around all that long myself but I see a lot of folks say that coughing up the tar and gunk in your lungs is pretty normal. Just like quitting. I don't know what nicotine may or may not do to the lungs but you were getting that with regular cigs anyway. It's all the other crud that's cut out in vaping.

I know I started noticing a difference in my energy level in pretty short period of time. As I'm prone to saying, not like I was ready to run a marathon or anything but it wasn't long before I noticed I was getting more done. Probably from getting more oxygen in my lungs instead of smoke...

I know for a few weeks after I started vaping I was coughing up gunk and even blood some mornings, but after more than a year I don't even need to so much as clear my throat in the mornings.
 

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I don't think anyone mentioned this, but many people (myself included) have a "quitting smoking cough" for several weeks, or even months after stopping or severely reducing the analogs. I had a gunky cough that lasted for about a month after I switch to e-cigs. And then, suddenly, it was gone. And I feel great!

The other thing is sleeping. Many of us (again, myself included), had problems with listlessness or drowsiness after quitting cigarettes, and had problems getting to sleep at night. Again, totally normal. The drowsiness went away after about a month, and the problems falling asleep are much better if I switch to a lower nicotine liquid in the hour or two before bed.

Hope this is helpful!
 

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Yeah, everybody's different. I started (and still mostly use but I'm moving away) Blu and do fine on theirs. Which I think is 100% VG. Bought a few prefilled Boge cartos from a vendor nearby and they're... uh... Dekang 80/20 PG/VG. And I'm not liking it as much. Or its the flavors? Can't tell at this point. I just bought a few to try some flavors out and see if I liked them. But the vapor is... wrong? I've got a 50/50 on order (same Boge carto) to try and see how that goes. Seems I prefer VG over PG but I'm still pretty new at this and testing things out.

These higher PG seem to irritate my throat a little. Well, maybe. That's also, I understand, a common symptom of quitting regular cigs.

Dunno. Just have to keep experimenting to figure out what works best for me...

50/50 is a nice blend, good vapor. Also depends on your equipment. I'm using a 70/30 pg/vg right now and have no issues with vapor on these lol 2013-03-13 23.56.12.jpg
 

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As far as a "suck in the mouth" method versus "direct inhale".....I had to think about the "direct inhale" for a minute to identify exactly what that was. I've never, ever smoked like that. I always took a draw into my mouth, then inhaled it.....slowly exhaling out of my mouth and nose. Or the good old French Inhale, pushing it out with your tongue and inhaling through the nose. Everyone I've ever seen smoke a cigarette does that....some with more dramatic effect of opening the mouth to show the smoke before inhaling, or maybe pushing a little out then inhaling it back in.

I have never seen someone "direct inhale" a cigarette....and if I'm reading it correctly as inhaling at the same time as sucking....well, the only time I've ever seen that was when someone smoked a.....ummm.... non-tobacco product. Or, first time smoker that coughed their heads off.

Heh, non-tobacco... yeah, know what you mean. And that's a pretty close description to my inhale of tobacco cigs. My "drags" were pretty deep. So much so, not much smoke escaped when I exhaled. Though I wouldn't say I "held" quite the way folks do with... erm... non-tobacco products?

I would've thought it the other way round. I've seen the "French inhale" more than once but not a lot. But maybe "direct inhale" is a bit off as terminology? I caught their meaning right off but now you mention it, it does seem it could be misleading a bit. Then again, who ever bothered to sit around making up exact terms for our smoking habits eh? We just smoked. :)

Wondered a moment if it was a regional thing but that wouldn't be right unless there's more than one DFW. I'm just outside Austin which would put us in the same state. So scratch that one.

I haven't quite yet totally escaped regular cigs (close though) and had one of my "I wanna real one" urges last night. Which urge I definitely don't understand given I've come to prefer vaping over "real ones" and always end up kind of rushing through the cig and not particularly enjoying it. 'Course, maybe that'll help bring the "real one" days to an end.

But I paid closer attention to what I was doing. And while a lot of the smoke was being pulled into my mouth to be inhaled later, my lungs were definitely the driver. I was inhaling like taking a breath. It was both. Inhaling into the lungs and sucking into the mouth. Vaping, it's almost all mouth. In fact, if I slip and revert to old habit, I cough. When I "hold" a moment in the mouth then inhale, I'm fine. But if my lungs try pulling the vapor in like smoke, it hits the back of my throat funny and I end up coughing. Not sure why holding it even just a moment makes a difference but it does.

So anyway.

One way or the other, the lungs are more involved in smoking and not so much in vaping. It strikes me as more like a pipe or cigar. Both of which most folks I knew sucked the smoke into the mouth for the tasting and didn't "inhale" as much as cigarette smokers. And everybody's different anyway. I know my draws with cigs are deeper than average. I've had people comment now and again over the years that they could "tell" I was a long time, heavy smoker. Not much smoke escaped when I exhaled. Often, I didn't "blow" out the mouth, just a bit of smoke out the nose. Not much though.

Think that may have to do why I still tend to "supplement" with two or three regular cigs a day. The amount of nicotine in the cartos (prefills) I have are in the medium (ish) range. So I have "blanks" and a higher nicotine liquid on their way. Do my own fills and maybe that'll kill the last of the "I wanna real one" urge? Seems what I tend to do is crave one like, well, now. Morning. Coffee time. Kind of like I need a "jolt" of nicotine then can "coast" on vaping?

In fact, talking about it, I just did. <mutter> <grumble> Well, there's three cigs in the cabinet and I ain't buying another pack today. He said sternly to himself.

I had to get myself to slow down, "suck" more than "drag" and emphasize the taste. You know, have the vapor in my mouth longer so I get the flavor(s) and, I assume, the nicotine. Then do a shallow kind of... I guess inhale, I'm exhaling the vapor through the nose more than drawing it into my lungs as I would do with a cig.

But that all is why I wondered if the OP was doing a deeper, more lung involved draw like a regular cig. That'll get me to coughing every time.
 

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From what I've read there is none, however there are some very good studies done I recommend u do a search in this forum for them, as they well answer your questions properly.

Also your not inhaling pure nic with a PV, it's a percentage.

I dunno about "none". Nicotine isn't a healthy thing. But the ideal with vaping is to knock out the other bazillion chemicals in regular cigs. Considering some the whacked out crap in regular cigs, getting just the nicotine would be healthier. Regular cigs have traces of the cyanide they use in "gas chamber" executions. I didn't even know that until fairly recently. Had a, "I've been inhaling WHAT?" moment. :)
 
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