Encourage your Teens to vape before they start smoking - Be Proactive

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John Phoenix

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Many doctors believe that the health risks for vapers using nicotine is no worse than coffee drinkers using caffeine. Soda pop has caffeine as well as tons of sugar and a host of other chemicals. Parents often give their kids this dangerous drink as early as 5 years of age - and think nothing of it.

For reference, here is a good article about the stuff in soda pop. This stuff can have as bad health consequences as smoking does just short of killing people. Dangers of Soda Pop (Carbonated Soft Drinks) I'd go as far as to say vaping is safer than drinking this stuff - and parents think nothing of giving this to their kids.

Many teens start smoking between the ages of 13 and 16. It doesn't matter that they cannot legally purchase the cigarettes - teens find ways to get and use them, often behind the parents back.

In the interest of our teens health I say to parents to be proactive. Just like that sit down talk you have with your kids about the birds and the bees, or drugs, talk to them about vaping as well as smoking. If the teen is apt to try smoking even against your wishes, at least you can try to steer the teen to vaping instead. After all, it may be the thing that keeps the teen from smoking real cigarettes and you know it won't cause anywhere near the harm smoking does.

People are funny though. Some may get mad at me for suggesting such a thing when they willingly let their teen drink gobs of soda pop or even coffee. Parents are often not honest with themselves and rationalize the things they do ignoring the facts. We all do this, we are only human. It's best to be honest with oneself and not use a double standard. Don't give your kid soda pop or coffee and then tell them they cannot keep from smoking by using an e-cig instead. You'll look to your kid like a hypocrite and they may resent you for it.

Parents may maintain they wish their kids not to use any drugs, even legal ones. This is understandable and normal for parents. Parents don't want to see anything harm their kids. Thing is, you cannot always be there to stop your kid from making a bad decision. It's better to give them a safer option they know you approve of, than seeing them make a worse decision about their health. They will feel that you are on their side and understand their need to try the drug in question. (in this case nicotine)

If we don't make it normal for teens to want to vape instead of smoking, we will never get rid of the smoking problem with our teens. This means more people (our children) hooked on deadly cigarettes and a lifetime of our kids growing up with smoking related illness and death. This is why we must be proactive with our teens about vaping. If your really lucky your teen will never wish to try any form of nicotine. If your not as lucky at least you can help your teen make a much better choice.
 
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Interesting post! I don't have a huge problem with teens vaping! Your point about soda pop and coffee is a good one. I think one of the greatest objections has to do with the perception of vaping, as many people still see it as smoking! I was vaping in a popular restaurant and was told I could not! Not because it was bothering anyone, but because of the perception of their customers that I was smoking.

Anyway...interesting points of view and good discussion to have!
 

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Thank you for the comment Hottody.

I want to make clear that I wish to see no teen start using any drug legal or illegal.

Some people are just now getting to the point of accepting teen vapers " Only If they were smokers first. " - If the teen wants to try nicotine badly enough, why let them get to the point of trying a cigarette they have to smoke in the first place? That's like saying, O.k. you can drink alcohol but first you have to be hooked on this gasoline.

I'm posting this everywhere I am a member. People will say, "You can't suggest such things, the FDA will use it for fuel against us!"

I'm not worried about that in the least. I am worried about our children and the life they will have if they choose to smoke. Teen smoking is a major serious issue. Most of us ex smokers started when we were teens. I do not recommend any teen take up any form of nicotine but kids will do anything they set their mind to. I'd rather see a teen with a propensity to smoke use an e-cig instead. If they are going to smoke anyway at least give them an option both parent and teen can live with.

This is an issue too many people are afraid to talk about, yet it's one of the issues that should be discussed the most IMO. Our kids deserve a world without harm from cigarette smoke. We can make this happen all working together. It will happen faster if the kids themselves want it and encourage their friends to have a safer alternative.
 

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there was a report\study done about 2 years ago,concerning all these teens that were guzzling down enormous amounts of these energy drinks,,you know those really big cans of rockstar,monster etc etc..

the study claimed that a lot of the kids that continued to drink the stuff would most likely be full blown diabetic by the time they 30 ,,,so what you [ john phoenix ]have said does have a lot of merit to it
 

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You make valid points. Worse than soda is the energy drinks, known to actually cause undiagnosed strokes in young people. In my own family I have seen a huge difference in my soda drinking kids and coffee drinking kids. The ones that prefer soda daily have knee pain and other knee issues that have required knee surgery. The coffee addicted ones, not so. I am a coffee drinker and getting older and my knees seldom give me problems. That is all I need to see that soda is very dangerous indeed. I thought little of letting them have a little soda as everyone does it. Well that is a rare thing in my home now. Our dentist warned us about the calcium absorbtion problems with it several years ago also.
As far as vaping instead of smoking, well, one of my daughters occasionaly smokes, very seldom so I gave her a vape set and she likes it. My older daughter is a smoker and doesn't want to convert. If I save one child from actual smoking, great!!
I know it can be hard to keep an open mind as we could also drag this over to drinking or other things we don't want out kids doing. As parents it's just important to know we have to help push them into healthier options for as long as we can. After all, we do want them to have a healthier life than what we had chosen for ourselves. At least they can see through us there are options that are less unhealthy and it's always best to opt for that.
 
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Thank you for the comment Hottody.

I want to make clear that I wish to see no teen start using any drug legal or illegal.

Some people are just now getting to the point of accepting teen vapers " Only If they were smokers first. " - If the teen wants to try nicotine badly enough, why let them get to the point of trying a cigarette they have to smoke in the first place? That's like saying, O.k. you can drink alcohol but first you have to be hooked on this gasoline.

I'm posting this everywhere I am a member. People will say, "You can't suggest such things, the FDA will use it for fuel against us!"

I'm not worried about that in the least. I am worried about our children and the life they will have if they choose to smoke. Teen smoking is a major serious issue. Most of us ex smokers started when we were teens. I do not recommend any teen take up any form of nicotine but kids will do anything they set their mind to. I'd rather see a teen with a propensity to smoke use an e-cig instead. If they are going to smoke anyway at least give them an option both parent and teen can live with.

This is an issue too many people are afraid to talk about, yet it's one of the issues that should be discussed the most IMO. Our kids deserve a world without harm from cigarette smoke. We can make this happen all working together. It will happen faster if the kids themselves want it and encourage their friends to have a safer alternative.

I totally agree with you. My son is only 4 right now but If ever in the future,hopefully vaping is still around, he decides to try an analog as least he has other alternatives.

I'm 37,came from a very strict hone, and I still drank, smoked and yes other things that were not legal. Most teens will try something, not all teens, at least once.

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I brought this subject up on here last year. I have a son that is going to be 18 in a few months and he has asked me to let him vape 0nic juice. I told him no, but of course he mentions he would just smoke cigarettes instead. Most of his friends are over 18 and can easily buy cigarettes for him and that's something I can't control. I too feel it is a much safer option for him to vape instead of smoking analogs, especially if it's 0nic.


In trying to be a good mom and not break the law he ends up doing something even worse for his health. It doesn't really make sense when there is a safer alternative available. I do know that I will be giving him a PV kit for his 18th birthday so he can legally switch to a healthier habit.
 
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The best thing my son could do is NEVER start smoking. He is 12, and has been asking me since the time he started kindergarten to stop smoking. He knows that I never wanted to stop, but that I did & now I vape. We've actually discussed smoking, and vaping.

I encourage him NEVER to do either. I pretty much explained to him that vaping has the same "medicine" in it as cigarettes do, and vaping kills my urge to smoke.

It's interesting, because he doesn't find my mods necessarily fascinating, what he finds fascinating is how all of the buttons push differently.

I firmly believe in being honest with kids, whether it's discussing sex and birth control with a daughter, vaping & smoking with my son.
 

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bmwjen, don't be surprised if in a few years time your son changes his mind. As a young boy I too was anti smoking. I got after my grandfather to stop smoking and he did. I was around 10. I tried smoking for the first time around 16. Of course it may never happen with your son, keep your fingers crossed. In the teen years we all change and begin to think differently about the things we were taught as children. Peer pressure, environment, puberty, social issues and more we don't deal with as children effect our choices as growing teens. Best you can do is teach your child right, pray hard but be ready for anything.
 

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I have three kids, 11, 9, and 4. They have seen me smoking and they have all asked me to stop.
When I started vaping a month and a half ago, they were thrilled. Also, fascinated by the smells
my mods make.
I am of the opinion that, yes, they should know there is an alternative to cigarettes. However, letting
them vape before hand because you think they might smoke is jumping the gun, in my view.
Not all kids try smoking and some are quite adamant about how bad smoking is.
I have a sibling who never tried smoking while we were growing up and never acquired the habit.
If she was given an e-cig, then maybe she has a vaping habit now and thats not bad at all considering
cigarettes as her alternative.
But, like I said, she never wanted to smoke. So, assuming that she would, for whatever reason, would
be just as bad because now she would have a nicotine addiction. A safer habit, vaping, but nonetheless a habit
and addiction.
Lets school the kids about smoking and vaping. Lets make them see that both are not good.
Then, all we can do as parents is to see if it takes.
 

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I am of the opinion that, yes, they should know there is an alternative to cigarettes. However, letting
them vape before hand because you think they might smoke is jumping the gun, in my view.
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I'm not saying we should give the teen a PV because they might one day smoke.

Rather If the teen makes the choice to try smoking to tell the parent first so the parent can then get the teen an e-cig to try - before the teen tries smoking. The choice to use nicotine is just like any other drug. Most of the time a teen will make a conscious decision to go ahead and do something before they do it. They spend time thinking about it. They will know ahead of time if they want to try to smoke or not. At is at this point you can either talk them out of it, or be ready with a safer alternative before they go off and get hooked on cigarettes.

Teens don't do this with cigarettes because smoking is so looked down on in our society. They have to go behind the parents back and this causes more problems. If the teen and parent have such a relationship where the teen can tell the parent they want to try nicotine and know the parent will not scold or chide them and actually help that teen learn about nicotine in a much safer e-cig way then a grave tragedy may be avoided.

Teens talk to their parents about getting piercings, drinking alcohol and other things before they do them. (if your lucky) I say encouraging this type of relationship where the teen feels comfortable coming to the parent about this and telling the parent, " Remember that talk we had about nicotine? I decided I want to try it. Can you help me with an e-cig? " is a much better option than a teen keeping smoking from the parent and doing it in secret.

The whole point of the talk to designed to foster that type of relationship before any damage is done.
 

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I would NOT suggest we just start telling kids/teens to vape in order to avoid cigarettes. The one big complaint they use against vaping (that's not completely baseless) is the fact that the smells and alluring flavors such as "Cotton Candy", "Gummy Bears", "Sweet Tarts" may become a gateway to the real cigarettes, should children choose to vape...but they insist they are created to target children specifically which is not the case at all, even the fact that they could believe this seems a bit ludicrous to me.


Your also not taking into account the fact that vaping is still in it's infancy. Your suggestion is that we begin to promote vaping to kids/teens as a proactive method of deterring new tobacco users. I mean even if it turned out that vaping really didn't lead to smoking real cigarettes... due to the fact that vaping is still in it's infancy, should it ever be taken away. Where exactly do you think the now nicotine addicted youths are going to satisfy that urge, if not with tobacco products?


Besides, if kids/teens are going to smoke, they are going to smoke. Unless you can find a way to get cigarettes/tobacco entirely off the shelves, new smokers will be born every day. At this time our biggest goal is to make sure that vaping remains available to those that wish to quit smoking, let's not go jumping the gun here... It could result in proof of their claim that vaping could be a "gateway" to smoking real cigarettes, which would be bad for all of us.
 
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I'm too lazy to read through all of these posts lol.

I just wanted to say that less and less teens are picking up smoking, it's not as "popular" as it used to be.

My son already sees me vaping and hears the good things about it, how its better than my smoking.

IF he picks up cigs one day, THEN I will talk to him about switching to vaping. But no need to jump the gun when he may not ever pick up the habit....
 

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This topic hits close to home for me as we see it often. Let's face it, there are teen smokers and they come to our warehouse wanting to get an e-cig to change from smoking. We ID everyone to make sure that they're 18 and those that aren't 18 are asked to either sit in our lobby or wait outside while thier friends who are 18 can come in and browse the products.

What really breaks my heart (with my belief that e-cigs are a safer alternative to smoking) is that the ones that get a choice to wait usually head out in front of our building and light up :(

It's a real challenge.. The money is not a factor, it's just really sad to see kids smoking and we can't do anything to help. Do I think the 18 year old friends are buying for them at some point? Maybe yes, but like any other product we can't control what happens with it when it leaves our building.

It's not my job to ..... at kids who are smoking and being a vaper now, I can't figure out why parents can't smell smoke on thier kids, well I guess unless they are smokers also, they may not be able to but I can smell a smoker from a mile away. I would agree with the OP, not to promote vaping or smoking but promote vaping as an alternative if the kid already smokes and is unwilling to quit or try other alternatives.

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This is related.

I just met a kid who is 17 and has been vaping for 6 months. He started smoking at 11 years of age. He said he had to switch because his lungs hurt badly after 6 years of heavy smoking. Looks like if he doesn't go back to smoking he will be one of the lucky ones. Makes me wonder though if everything was done that could have been done to keep this kid from choosing to smoke or getting hooked.

Now that's not really too fair of me because 6 years ago e-cigs weren't around or as popular as they are now. Perhaps 6 years ago a parent would not have had the option to talk to their kids about smoking and vaping like I suggest. We do have that option today. Perhaps if more of us exercise that option now we can greatly reduce the number of kids that will be smoking tomorrow.
 

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You know, I've spent some time thinking about lately (not teens specifically) and I'm beginning to be a little shocked at how unsupportive docs and legislators are about vaping.

Let's face it, in terms of harm reduction we have no problems telling fat people to eat zero fat/zero sugar foods, no problem telling promiscuous people to use condoms, and no problem telling drug users to use clean needles (and we provide them). At the same time, we (the collective we) is horrified by the idea that people might like to smoke but without the adverse health effects.

When you think about it, vaping is somehow the 'new .........ion'. We shouldn't like it, think about it, talk about it, or God forbid - recommend it as a much better way to satisfy a need while avoiding the many problems of "real" smoking. When organized religion declined, all those Puritanical urges just moved over to fatness and smoking. :(
 

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This is a crazy topic. Really? We need to do everything we can to keep kids away from such an addictive substance. I don't care if they are smoking it, vaping it, chewing it, drinking it ... Yes smoking is by far the most unhealthiest way to get our fix but it is the addiction part that is the real devil in this dance, and we are still just as controlled by it whether we are vaping or smoking. I don't care if it is a teen or adult, I wouldnt encourage anyone to try nicotine and be subject to the slavery it causes.

If they are stupid enough to smoke (like i was) after you have told them how bad addiction to nicotine is, then you have the vaping alternative to help them with it. But let's not fool ourselves and pretend we are not still nicotine addicts and are still paying a high price whether smoking or vaping. That is real openess and honesty and caring for your kids.
 
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