Engineering degree needed?
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I guess if you're not sure if you want to vape and you want to keep your initial investment small. I just feel like the learning curve for e cigs isn't that steep and before you know it your knowledge will be adequate and you will have wished you spent the money on a device that was more flexible. He's already in the right place to learn, give him a few hours and he'll be using RBA's.
Just my opinion BTW. I wish I started with a nicer mod instead of spending $100's of dollars working my way up.
I agree, with all the helpful people here it isn't really that hard to get some good information.
I had a different route. I bought a gas station e cig about a year and a half ago, thought the whole thing was BS and went back to smoking. I got dragged into a vape shop (by my daughter) a month ago and wound up with some vision CE-4 clearomizers (the real ones) and eGo 1000mAh batteries. It got me off of cigarettes without turning back. I have done lots of reading since then, I wasted a little money on some knock off CE-4s and some nasty tasting juice. But all in all I have been pretty careful and not really wasted much. I am waiting on an Itaste SVD (half the price of the provari) crossing my fingers.
I did the same thing flip flopping with the analogs and the disposables. Glad to hear your local vape shop helped you out. I was lucky enough to find out eliquidplanet had a warehouse about a half hour away from me a few years ago and since another vape shop has opened even closer. I feel like it was harder to start back then as there weren't the easier options they have today. I remember running around with an instruction manual to pharmacies trying to buy a syringe to fill my cartos. These days the liquid bottle has a syringe top and you can just pour it in a clearomizer. BTW, I've heard GREAT things about the iTaste, you should be very happy.
I’m with you completely on this, Cybercrone. The tech talk is mostly just annoying – it’s like guys sitting around talking about car engines, except here it’s mAh, volts, watts, coils, wicks, 510’s, and 808’s instead of V8’s and cam shafts. The bottom line is that I could give a rat’s ... about how the damned engine works. I just want to drive the thing. Eventually I might want to upgrade to a sports car or a luxury car, but that’s only because it goes fast, or is cool looking, or is comfortable. I still don’t care about the engine.
And while I think there has been some excellent advice so far (especially from BillBeckUSA and Lessifer), I still think it’s too technical. An e-cig boils down to three things: the battery, a tank, and the juice. All of the technical stuff is just various settings, varieties, and brands of those three things.
As people have already pointed out, it really comes down to personal preference. But I think it’s pretty safe to say that a basic start-up kit with an eGo style battery with a clearomizer tank is probably your best bet for starting out. The kit that BillBeckUSa recommended is probably just the ticket. Back to my car analogy, an eGo is about the equivalent of a Honda. Nothing fancy, but it’s reliable and will get you from point A to point B. As you start to get the hang of vaping, you may eventually want to upgrade, or you may decide that an eGo is just fine. I personally love my eGo – as I said, I don’t have any interest in tinkering with mechanical things and want my vape to be very low maintenance. That being said, my new Provari is scheduled to arrive in the mail this week haha.
As far as juices go, read the forums here to get some good recommendations, and if possible order from a place that offers small sample sizes. Get a good variety of flavors – tobacco (if you’re so inclined – personally, I HATE them), fruity, dessert, maybe a menthol – see what kinds of flavors you like and go from there.
There is a wealth of knowledge from these boards and I’ve found that the people here couldn’t be more happy to help and answer questions. If you’re inclined to learn more about the techy stuff, there’s more info here than you could ever read. Or, if you just want to chat about how the vaping’s going, you can find that too. That’s one of the great things about vaping – you can be as hands-on or as hands-off as you want, but it still works. (Just for God’s sake – stay away from the disposable gas-station e-cigs)
And while I think there has been some excellent advice so far (especially from BillBeckUSA and Lessifer), I still think it’s too technical. An e-cig boils down to three things: the battery, a tank, and the juice. All of the technical stuff is just various settings, varieties, and brands of those three things.
As people have already pointed out, it really comes down to personal preference. But I think it’s pretty safe to say that a basic start-up kit with an eGo style battery with a clearomizer tank is probably your best bet for starting out. The kit that BillBeckUSa recommended is probably just the ticket. Back to my car analogy, an eGo is about the equivalent of a Honda. Nothing fancy, but it’s reliable and will get you from point A to point B. As you start to get the hang of vaping, you may eventually want to upgrade, or you may decide that an eGo is just fine. I personally love my eGo – as I said, I don’t have any interest in tinkering with mechanical things and want my vape to be very low maintenance. That being said, my new Provari is scheduled to arrive in the mail this week haha.
As far as juices go, read the forums here to get some good recommendations, and if possible order from a place that offers small sample sizes. Get a good variety of flavors – tobacco (if you’re so inclined – personally, I HATE them), fruity, dessert, maybe a menthol – see what kinds of flavors you like and go from there.
There is a wealth of knowledge from these boards and I’ve found that the people here couldn’t be more happy to help and answer questions. If you’re inclined to learn more about the techy stuff, there’s more info here than you could ever read. Or, if you just want to chat about how the vaping’s going, you can find that too. That’s one of the great things about vaping – you can be as hands-on or as hands-off as you want, but it still works. (Just for God’s sake – stay away from the disposable gas-station e-cigs)
Go to fasttech.com, and even though they are based in Hong Kong, they have real merchandise, and free shipping. Even if you dont order, you can browse and see everything that is offered in the vaping world, and the terms that go along with it. Under their categories Hobbies and Toys, then electronic ciggs. They have the biggest inventory I have ever seen, so browse and you will learn all you need to know as far as what is available and the terms.
I disagree. I will never buy a Provari. And i am also strongly against suggesting a Provari to a beginner because it is so expensive.
To answer the OPs question:
An e-cig, or PV (personal vaporizer) as we call it, has 2 main components: a battery, and a "topper" which you attach to the battery. The topper consists of a coil, powered by the battery, which heats up and vaporizes the juice that is fed into it, usually by a wick (like a oil lamp flame being fed oil by the wick) or some kind of filler material. These materials feed the right amount of e-liquid to the coil for it to vaporize.
Atomizer is the name of this system of wick and coil. Cartomizer is just short for "cartridge plus atomizer", meaning it combines the cartridge (which contains e-liquid) with the atomizer. Clearomizer is a type of topper which uses a clear tank (which holds the reserve juice for the wick to suck up as you vape).
To completely understand vaping, the only engineering knowledge you really need is high school physics. Its not rocket science. Try not to be scared by all the lingos thrown around and remember the basics of how every PV works (addressed in my first paragraph) and you will grasp it soon.
I will be making a crash course, know-it-all video for new vapers soon and more complete info will be included.
An e-cig, or PV (personal vaporizer) as we call it, has 2 main components: a battery, and a "topper" which you attach to the battery. The topper consists of a coil, powered by the battery, which heats up and vaporizes the juice that is fed into it, usually by a wick (like a oil lamp flame being fed oil by the wick) or some kind of filler material. These materials feed the right amount of e-liquid to the coil for it to vaporize.
Atomizer is the name of this system of wick and coil. Cartomizer is just short for "cartridge plus atomizer", meaning it combines the cartridge (which contains e-liquid) with the atomizer. Clearomizer is a type of topper which uses a clear tank (which holds the reserve juice for the wick to suck up as you vape).
To completely understand vaping, the only engineering knowledge you really need is high school physics. Its not rocket science. Try not to be scared by all the lingos thrown around and remember the basics of how every PV works (addressed in my first paragraph) and you will grasp it soon.
I will be making a crash course, know-it-all video for new vapers soon and more complete info will be included.
Thank you billbeckusa what you have said here is giving hope. My son gave me an ego upgrade with a PHOENiX tank & carto. I've learned to add vodka to my VG juice & I'm studying to learn how to make my own juice. I used to roll my own cuz of $$. Now I'm vaping:}
Wow you don't care about the engine you just want to.drive the damn thing. The engine just happens to be the most important part without it and a decent one at that driving it becomes problematic. The terms are what they are given to us by the makers of our vapping gear. To some folks on here men and women both this has become a hobby. I respect your choice not to care for all the technical talk and there are some great threads that aren't so techie I suppose. There really isn't to many other ways to describe mah,vv or vm ect.... I really suggest that new people look at the threads on vapping terms first before jumping into bigger discussions. It's like learning a new language. You had to learn some of that to use your computer when you got it or the latest smart phone. I found most people recommended when first starting out a Joytech ego style battery, a good vision or kanger clearomizer and some 24mg tobacco e liquid. Once you got that going read up on the various vapping topics a little at a time or you will most definitely suffer the dreaded information overload syndrome. It's better to use the search function at first cause if you post a thread with a general question you will get a multitude of answers that can and will be confusing to a new vapper. Been there done that know better now that's for sure. By the way congratulations on making the switch and I hope you find what works for you best soon.
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Based on the mr-fix-it screen name, I know it must be unfathomable for you to believe that someone could care less about how their engine works, but I assure you - it's true. The extent of my knowledge in that department ends with putting in gas and having the oil changed. Anything more I have zero interest in
And just to clarify, I do know what the vaping tech terms mean, but the OP stated that she was confused and her head was spinning. I don't think forcing her into learning the jargon is going to help her. Simplifying things and taking the tech out of it for the moment seems to be what she was asking for. JMHO.
And just to clarify, I do know what the vaping tech terms mean, but the OP stated that she was confused and her head was spinning. I don't think forcing her into learning the jargon is going to help her. Simplifying things and taking the tech out of it for the moment seems to be what she was asking for. JMHO.
Hey there, I'm here at the bottom of the world in OZ and made 100% of my purchases via the web.
A starter kit with 2 x battery and clearomizer like EGO series T/C /Twist and some juice say Camil,Marlobora hat ever you think you need to taste a nice cavendish tobbaco whatever every thing will change for the better
with 18-24mg of nic in it and that should do it.
I did it 15 days ago and was as many here will say, I have not been attracted back to burning logs.
Quite the opposite indeed I grabbed whatever would get to me quickship and was all in my hot little hands 4 days later.
Filled up, Booted up and its history. Started at 18mg and I was a heavy roll your own guy.
You should only need to spend say $30-40USD to have all you need to get you going.
I don't know what smokes are worth in CANADA but right here, right now, for me they are worthless
destructive piece of evil cr*^p that I want nothing to do with.
I don't need them any more I have a new modern alternative to reduce harm to myself and others around me.
all the info is at your finger tips most online shops have very good pictures and explanations to read for nix
as there is here. Just a little easier to find as they are trying to sell a product .
Welcome
A starter kit with 2 x battery and clearomizer like EGO series T/C /Twist and some juice say Camil,Marlobora hat ever you think you need to taste a nice cavendish tobbaco whatever every thing will change for the better
with 18-24mg of nic in it and that should do it.
I did it 15 days ago and was as many here will say, I have not been attracted back to burning logs.
Quite the opposite indeed I grabbed whatever would get to me quickship and was all in my hot little hands 4 days later.
Filled up, Booted up and its history. Started at 18mg and I was a heavy roll your own guy.
You should only need to spend say $30-40USD to have all you need to get you going.
I don't know what smokes are worth in CANADA but right here, right now, for me they are worthless
destructive piece of evil cr*^p that I want nothing to do with.
I don't need them any more I have a new modern alternative to reduce harm to myself and others around me.
all the info is at your finger tips most online shops have very good pictures and explanations to read for nix
as there is here. Just a little easier to find as they are trying to sell a product .
Welcome
OK, since Australia has chimed in, I think it's time for the Middle East to be heard.
Here there is very little choice as to what is available, and I simply bought what I could find, and I am VERY happy. So far, I am using a simple, generic Ego-type battery (with backups), generic clearomizers and fairly generic e-liquids. You do not have to start with 'complicated'. You do not have to re-build, construct or even tinker with anything. If, gradually, you start to want to do all of that, great. If you want to refresh your knowledge of electricity and electronics, great.
But you don't have to.
PBusardo's basic level youtube videos helped a lot, since I had NO idea what I was doing. 10 minutes later, I knew enough to fill my thing-a-ma-jig (which I discovered later was a generic CE4) and press my manual battery button. Since then I have been happy, happy and more happy.
Having a successful, but stressfree first experience encourages further exploration, for sure...the first steps count, but they don't necessarily include an enormous investment. As many here have said, an ego-type battery (2, actually, at least), clearomizers and some reliable e-liquid is a good path to a successful start.
Here there is very little choice as to what is available, and I simply bought what I could find, and I am VERY happy. So far, I am using a simple, generic Ego-type battery (with backups), generic clearomizers and fairly generic e-liquids. You do not have to start with 'complicated'. You do not have to re-build, construct or even tinker with anything. If, gradually, you start to want to do all of that, great. If you want to refresh your knowledge of electricity and electronics, great.
But you don't have to.
PBusardo's basic level youtube videos helped a lot, since I had NO idea what I was doing. 10 minutes later, I knew enough to fill my thing-a-ma-jig (which I discovered later was a generic CE4) and press my manual battery button. Since then I have been happy, happy and more happy.
Having a successful, but stressfree first experience encourages further exploration, for sure...the first steps count, but they don't necessarily include an enormous investment. As many here have said, an ego-type battery (2, actually, at least), clearomizers and some reliable e-liquid is a good path to a successful start.
Hey! First, congratulations on quitting! Second, way to go by checking into things before you buy! I know it can be overwhelming, and we can sit here and make suggestions day and night and night and day, but if you're like me, I'm a visual learner, and I kind of had to explore sites on my own before I got the hang of it. In November 2011, I started using the disposables. I used them for a year before I went to an ego kit. Most people reccomend ego kits for starters. Mine was a 650mah, so the battery didn't last long, but as I matured into my ecig habit (haha), I upgraded and learned what I liked and didn't like. I moved up next with a 1100mah battery, which meant that it lasted longer. I still use the 1100mah battery.
If you're looking for a good, cheap starter kit, I suggest the one below from madvapes. It's cheap and gives you a good feel for an ego. And with the clear things (clearomizers), you just unscrew the top, put the liquid in (be careful to avoid the center whole in the clearomizer as you fill it - fill it from the sides - to avoid a mouth ful of juice. And if you order from madvapes, ask them for a couple of samples of liquid, and they'll send you some in a variety of nic levels and flavors. They sent me six 10ml bottles when I asked, which was extremely nice and very helpful. I've been very impressed by their customer service. Also, a lot of stores provide instructions when you first get your electronic cigarette (at least they do here), it's just a printout of how to set up and maintain the ecig. I'm sure that most vendors would either point you in the right direction or give you a printout with instructions with your order if you ask for it in the "comments" section when you place your order.
STAM 1100 mAh eGo CE4 Kit
This kit is really cheap and will give you a good feel for what you might like and might not like. You can upgrade accordingly, and it's only $30. I was ripped off my first kit and paid $80 for a small battery kit. Again, I highly suggest looking online at the stores and when you find a kit you think you'll like, get it and then come on and ask questions about that specific kit. I suggest looking at madvapes.com, litecigusa.com, or discountvapors.com. I opened a thread where I asked about suppliers here when I first joined, and it was so helpful! I've learned so much these past few weeks.
If you want to look at good sites for eliquid, try ecblend to test out different flavors for really cheap. $2.50 for a small bottle. mtbakervapor is also really affordable and highly reccomended. I'm waiting for my paycheck to try them, but I've been impressed by the reviews of them so far.
If you're looking for a good, cheap starter kit, I suggest the one below from madvapes. It's cheap and gives you a good feel for an ego. And with the clear things (clearomizers), you just unscrew the top, put the liquid in (be careful to avoid the center whole in the clearomizer as you fill it - fill it from the sides - to avoid a mouth ful of juice. And if you order from madvapes, ask them for a couple of samples of liquid, and they'll send you some in a variety of nic levels and flavors. They sent me six 10ml bottles when I asked, which was extremely nice and very helpful. I've been very impressed by their customer service. Also, a lot of stores provide instructions when you first get your electronic cigarette (at least they do here), it's just a printout of how to set up and maintain the ecig. I'm sure that most vendors would either point you in the right direction or give you a printout with instructions with your order if you ask for it in the "comments" section when you place your order.
STAM 1100 mAh eGo CE4 Kit
This kit is really cheap and will give you a good feel for what you might like and might not like. You can upgrade accordingly, and it's only $30. I was ripped off my first kit and paid $80 for a small battery kit. Again, I highly suggest looking online at the stores and when you find a kit you think you'll like, get it and then come on and ask questions about that specific kit. I suggest looking at madvapes.com, litecigusa.com, or discountvapors.com. I opened a thread where I asked about suppliers here when I first joined, and it was so helpful! I've learned so much these past few weeks.
If you want to look at good sites for eliquid, try ecblend to test out different flavors for really cheap. $2.50 for a small bottle. mtbakervapor is also really affordable and highly reccomended. I'm waiting for my paycheck to try them, but I've been impressed by the reviews of them so far.
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WOW!! You guys are GREAT!
What a variety of people on here too.
I'm reading all your advice ad checking out things as fast as I can. I'm mad to get started.
Thanks so much to everyone!
What a variety of people on here too.
I'm reading all your advice ad checking out things as fast as I can. I'm mad to get started.
Thanks so much to everyone!
Good luck! I'm in a similar boat as you, learning the lingo and the gear isn't the easiest process but it seems to progress quickly.
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