Epm long bottom leaf

[MattBott]

Unfortunately, I won't have time to mix until at least Tuesday. I also think that LBL has more than 1% EM in it, as I remember it tasting like cotton candy until I steeped it. Maybe even "Circus Cotton Candy" since a lot of people say it has a hint of blueberry in it.

I'll probably make a few test batches with the flavors I have. I'm thinking...

LBL Clone #1
8% TFA DK Type tobacco
2% TFA Brown Sugar
1% TFA Ethyl Maltol

LBL Clone #2
8% TFA DK Type tobacco
2% TFA Brown Sugar
5% TFA Ethyl Maltol

LBL Clone #3
8% TFA DK Type tobacco
2% TFA Brown Sugar
1% TFA Ethyl Maltol
3% Blueberry Wild

LBL Clone #4
8% TFA DK Type Tobacco
2% TFA Brown Sugar
5% TFA Ethyl Maltol
3% Blueberry Wild

 

[b0redagain]

I'm still a week or so out on my next order so I appreciate any work you can put in, MattBott.

 

[k3vin]

I have a 5 ml.here,I will see what I can come up with here in the next hour or so.but without steeping who knows..Gte back in a bit.I have everything but blueberry

*EDIT* Just realized I am out of my 5ml longbottom..I have a bit of juice in the bottom of container..There is something in it that is in their shire malt...anyone wanna guess,besides typeM?

HINT* it has to do with brewing beer

 

[k3vin]

And for the record,they are 100% VG mixes..

 

[IraSurefire]

Where do you get vg based flavorings from? I would like to do an all Vg juice but the carrier liquid of the flavorings is pg (I assume)

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[adeline]

Unfortunately, I won't have time to mix until at least Tuesday. I also think that LBL has more than 1% EM in it, as I remember it tasting like cotton candy until I steeped it. Maybe even "Circus Cotton Candy" since a lot of people say it has a hint of blueberry in it.

I'll probably make a few test batches with the flavors I have. I'm thinking...

LBL Clone #1
8% TFA DK Type Tobacco
2% TFA Brown Sugar
1% TFA Ethyl Maltol

LBL Clone #2
8% TFA DK Type Tobacco
2% TFA Brown Sugar
5% TFA Ethyl Maltol

LBL Clone #3
8% TFA DK Type Tobacco
2% TFA Brown Sugar
1% TFA Ethyl Maltol
3% Blueberry Wild

LBL Clone #4
8% TFA DK Type Tobacco
2% TFA Brown Sugar
5% TFA Ethyl Maltol
3% Blueberry Wild

Just wondering if you've tried the DK on its own at 8%?

It's pretty potent!

 

[IraSurefire]

*EDIT* Just realized I am out of my 5ml longbottom..I have a bit of juice in the bottom of container..There is something in it that is in their shire malt...anyone wanna guess,besides typeM?

HINT* it has to do with brewing beer

Malty of course! I wonder if malty flavoring would be useful in beer brewing? Things to think about for the next homebrew batch...


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[k3vin]

I have on order some malted barley extract and another malt flavoring. I am pretty positive it is not malted milk. And I have yet to read or find a "malty" flavoring.
And 100% vg juice doesn't mean one cannot use pg flavoring I wouldn't think for our purposes

 

[ozy.mandias]

Subscribed. Will do a test batch of my own and then report.

 

[IraSurefire]

And 100% vg juice doesn't mean one cannot use pg flavoring I wouldn't think for our purposes

What? If you are using pg based flavoring it's going to dilute the Vg. Use 10% flavoring in a recipe and you'd have a 90% Vg juice if using a 100% Vg base. Right?

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[dirtyrigger]

What? If you are using pg based flavoring it's going to dilute the Vg. Use 10% flavoring in a recipe and you'd have a 90% Vg juice if using a 100% Vg base. Right?

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Right. The flavorings count toward your final ratio.

 

[k3vin]

I did say for our purposes pg flavoring would be ok?!?!?!
I don't work in vg base flavorings, or vg based nic for that matter, I was merely passing that along to those who are trying to clone these flavors..I am one of them, and I will maybe go 50/50, but I like lots of throat hit..

 

[MattBott]

Just wondering if you've tried the DK on its own at 8%?

It's pretty potent!

Good call, I'll try this first. I was just going off of the OP's original recipe.

 

[IraSurefire]

I have not tried it on its own. It definitely stands out in the mix but I don't think it friends out any of the other flavors. I'll try it at a lower percentage the next time I mix and see if that makes a difference!

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[MattBott]

I started my attempts.

Testing DK for a good percentage:
8%: Way too strong! Actually upset my stomach a little.
4%: Too weak. The flavor is there, but barely
6%: Pretty good.

I did my LBL #1 from above with 6% DK instead of 8. Definitly reminds me of LBL, but needs something. I don't have any more time to test tonight, so I'll mix up the rest (hopefully) tomorrow.

 

[ozy.mandias]

Wrt the ratios: epm actually says on their web site that while the base is 100% vg, the flavouring agents contain pg. this also helps to make it carto friendly.

 

[IraSurefire]

Wrt the ratios: epm actually says on their web site that while the base is 100% vg, the flavouring agents contain pg. this also helps to make it carto friendly.

That is interesting. I always read that statement as they're juice is super close to 100% Vg. Mayhaps it's actually closer to 90 or thereabouts.

Mattbott~ what are you using as your carrier base? Pg or Vg?

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[MattBott]

I'm doing my normal mix, 50/50 PG/VG (flavorings included as PG) at 18mg.

After a day of steeping, LBL #1 with 6% DK Type is pretty darn good. I'm still going to try the rest of my recipes though.

 

[IraSurefire]

I'm doing my normal mix, 50/50 PG/VG (flavorings included as PG) at 18mg.

After a day of steeping, LBL #1 with 6% DK Type is pretty darn good. I'm still going to try the rest of my recipes though.

Sounds great! I gotta re up on my dk. I think I'm going to experiment with the m type pretty quickly too...
I'm looking forward to more feedback as we nail this one down!
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[MattBott]

I may have to pick up some more of this ... I haven't vaped any in about 5 months! I Think I have some sitting in the bottom of a vivi nova somewhere, but its probably oxidized to hell.