Esmoking myths

[Ladycats]

"Worrying about stuff causes cancer. And other bad stuff too."

LOL I do like the way you think !!!

 

[Myk]

That post was it. Death is not guaranteed. It's one reason I object to warnings like "Smoking Causes Cancer." No it doesn't -- all the time. That's too broad a claim. The warning should read "Smoking Might Cause Some Cancers in Some Smokers", but you'll never get that accepted.

Worrying About Stuff Causes Cancer. And other bad stuff, too.

How about,
The Surgeon General warns: Cigarette smoking may cause cancer in about 50% of smokers. Are you feeling lucky?

 

[TropicalBob]

Actually, the lung cancer incidence among hardcore smokers is 15% or lower. The 50% figure so often tossed around is for all "smoking-related deaths." Either way, "Smoking Causes Cancer" is untrue as an absolute.

New research shows that even among long-term, heavy smokers, the risk of getting lung cancer can vary dramatically -- from less than 1 percent to a whopping 15 percent.

And ..

Consider: A 51-year-old woman who smoked a pack a day for 28 years and then quit has only a 0.8 percent chance of getting lung cancer in the next decade, the study found.

Compare her to a 68-year-old man who has smoked two packs a day for 50 years and refuses to stop smoking. If he keeps puffing away, his risk of getting lung cancer in the next decade is 15 percent.

The study appears in the March 19 issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.

 

[Kate]

This is a good piece from Dan's blog (Dan, Dan, the Ruyan man ) - Electronic Cigarette/Cigar Myths | Disposable Electronic Cigarette/Cigar Blog

FDA approval is a myth that hasn't been mentioned here already as far as I can remember.

The FDA does not approve liquid nicotine or the devices that deliver it. Any sellers claiming their products are FDA approved are telling fibs.

EDIT
I just want to add this link to a thread about what consumers in the UK should expect in regard to fair trading - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-uk-regulation-sales-marketing-promotion.html

There are probably similar laws in other countries.

Most of the myths on this thread wouldn't exist if traders followed the law from what I can see.

 

[Kate]

Here is a bit of a summary of some of the myths busted here:

A cartridge lasts for the equivalent of 20/40 cigarettes

You can use your ecig anywhere

Esmoking is safe

Esmoking is healthy

The World Health Organisation (WHO) endorses esmoking

Batteries last for a day before recharging

It tastes like smoking

There are a large number of manufacturers

Atomisers and batteries have a reasonable lifetime with moderate use

It is as satisfying for everyone as a cigarette

The atomizer creates the "mist" using some technobabble mechanism, rather than just boiling the eliquid

You get what you pay for

You exhale only water vapour

Not all eliquids contain chemicals

There are 4000 known carcinogens in a cigarette

There is much quality control

Your warranty will be void if you don't use the seller's cartridges/eliquid (this only applies to Ruyan afaik)

There is some complicated cleaning process going on after every 1,500 hits

There is a complex microprocessor in the unit

You actually are inhaling less nicotine then when you were smoking tobacco

Its safe since its just food flavouring

There is no smell

You will save lots of money

Its easy to clean

Esmoking is nicotine replacement therapy (NRT)

Vapour just vanishes into another dimension

Esmoking is easy

You are smoking car anti-freeze - confusion between Propylène Glycol and Ethylène Glycol

Esmoking is approved by any government or authority

And another new one ... electronic cigarettes were around before 2006.

 

[MikeMac]

Gee, I didn't know that e-cigs are FCC approved! For what? Just the same, It's so good to know we won't be inhaling radio signals! That's a load off my mind!

 

[halopunker]

Gee, I didn't know that e-cigs are FCC approved! For what? Just the same, It's so good to know we won't be inhaling radio signals! That's a load off my mind!

Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's ... by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather to take his word for it?

Ahh Tommy Boy, great movie.

 

[Kate]

This claim is persistent, potentially dangerous, annoying and based on rubbish - Compared with cigarettes we are getting a half or a third of the nicotine per puff.

Theoretically we are getting twice as much or more nicotine than with cigarettes per puff. There is no scientific evidence of this yet but that's what the maths says.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/6525-draws-puffs-per-ml.html

Another new myth is that there are 250 Chinese manufacturers There probably aren't more than ten.


Here are some of the myths that have already been mentioned and a response:

A cartridge lasts for the equivalent of 20/40 cigarettes.

Super Minis (RN4081, RN4088, DSE103, etc...): About 1-3 cigs worth (20-30 puffs)
Mini (DSE901, etc...): 5-6 cigs worth (50-75 puffs depending on how you puff)
Pen (DSE801, RN4072, etc...): 7-10 cigs worth (up to about 100 puffs)
eCigar: 10-12 cigs worth (up to about 120-130 puffs)
Pipe (DSE601, etc...) Atleast 14-15 cigs worth.

E-smoking is safe.

It might be safer than tobacco smoking, we don't know, there are no scientific studies or clinical trials to test the effects of esmoking.

We could take in massive doses of nicotine which is a toxin
We don't know the long term side effects inhaling of the ingredients in the liquid
We don't know how the cocktail of chemicals we inhale interacts
We don't know the implications of breathing the chemicals given off by the burning coil wick as it degrades
We don't know what type of plastics are used for storage or cartridges and if they leach chemicals into the eliquid
We don't know what chemicals are given off by cartridge fillers when they are heated or burned
We don't know if there is lead in the paint used on our devices

These are all areas that have yet to be researched by many suppliers and manufacturers. Ruyan has conducted several studies that appear promising, but these apply only to this company, not all of them.

So, basically we don't know if esmoking is safe. Lots of us think it is probably safer than smoking tobacco but that's opinion, not science.

When you see the advertising saying vaping is safe or safer, it's unfounded claims, there is no proof. Ask the seller what is the basis of the statement ... they usually try to fob you off with Ruyan specific research which doesn't apply to their products.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) endorses E-smoking.

"... manufacturers of electronic cigarettes continue to inaccurately cite WHO’s support of this category of products - claiming that WHO’s approval of Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT) principles equates to endorsement of the electronic cigarette as a safe and effective cessation aid. WHO is unaware of the existence of a comprehensive set of scientifically rigorous, peer-reviewed studies to substantiate claims for the electronic cigarette as an effective smoking cessation aid. In this respect, WHO does not equate a manufacturer’s undocumented claims of safety or toxicity to peer-review by a science based committee."

WHO - Marketers of electronic cigarettes should halt unproved therapy claims - *E-Cigtest, the ultimate electronic cigarettes review site and forum* Le site de la cigarette électronique

It tastes like a cigarette.

No e-liquid tastes exactly like a cigarette. There are many tobacco flavors to choose from that are similar, but none are exact. Many users report enjoying the taste of e-liquid much more than they did with cigarette smoke.

Atomizers and batteries have a reasonable lifetime with moderate use.

This technology is somewhat new and unreliable. Parts could last days or months. Monthly atomizer or battery replacement is a fairly common experience. It is suggested to always have a minimum of 1 spare atomizer and 1 spare battery in case of failure.

You get what you pay for.

Not always true. Some companies charge way too much for cheap devices and no warranties. You need to research before you buy.

You exhale only water vapour.

This is what the Ruyan research says:

"... the exhaled mist of the e-cigarette is composed of propylene glycol, and probably contains almost no nicotine; and no CO..."

http://healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport21-Oct-08.pdf

The E-liquid is regulated.

It's not regulated by any legal bodies, it is not approved by any legal bodies. Anyone can formulate, make and use anything in eliquid.

You actually are inhaling less nicotine then when you were smoking tobacco.

We have no testing that states this. The math says we can get a lot more nicotine. Many people have overdosed so it's certainly possible that we are raising our tolerance or making ourselves sick with too much nic.

There is no smell.

A faint smell can at times be detected while vaping. It usually smells like the flavor your using at the time. (i.e. if your vaping Chocolate it will smell like chocolate). This is usually only noticeable to those within the immediate area.

E-smoking is nicotine replacement therapy (NRT).

E-Cigs and quitting smoking

To be NRT it has to be medical grade liquid and devices which are tested and approved.

You are smoking car anti-freeze -

This is a confusion between Propylène Glycol and Ethylène Glycol.

 

[MAD 69]

Myth: esmoking causes mouth ulcers and gum disease

Fact: You can use e-fags anywhere you want, there is currently no legislation that bans the use (except in obvious situations)

 

[Silver]

This claim is persistent, potentially dangerous, annoying and based on rubbish - Compared with cigarettes we are getting a half or a third of the nicotine per puff.

Theoretically we are getting twice as much or more nicotine than with cigarettes per puff. There is no scientific evidence of this yet but that's what the maths says.

Interestingly, Dr. Murray Laugesen, according to this recent article*, claims:

He said that, on a puff-per-puff basis, the strongest cartridge delivered about one- third the amount of nicotine delivered by a normal cigarette.

Apparently he also believes there are 250 Chinese companies manufacturing them:

Dr Laugesen said about 250 Chinese manufacturers were now making the product...

Cheers,
Silver

* With thanx to Coinmaster for pointing me in the direction of said article.

 

[Elle]

Mwahahahaha .....

I'm no liberal, I'm a capricorn

woop woop!! me too i knew i liked you!

 

[Slender]

"Quality control"

ha-ha....
Couple of days before I have got 2 sets of Dura... USB charger does not work... 2 batteries are faulty from beginning! Similar happened with J kissboxes... Sad...

 

[Precocious49]

Maybe i should not post this here but here goes

My Grandfather smoked from the age of 17 on The Somme.
He died at the age of 79 of Liver Disease. (He was an Alcoholic)
My Grandmother who lived and breathed the same smoke filled air
but did not smoke herself or drink died of Bowel Cancer at the Age of 84.
Their son (My father) Smoked from the age of 18 (Capstan Full Strength and Senior Service...Very strong)
He died of Liver Disease at the age of 85. (He was also an Alcoholic)
My Mother who lived and breathed the same smoke filled air and also worked in Ogdens Tobacco Factory in Liverpool (where i grew up)
where most workers smoked as they got Tobacco half price did Not Smoke all her life.
She died at the age of 86 of old age.
Here are four people of my family who have all either smoked directly or smoked second hand smoke for most of their lives.
Tobacco did not kill any of them and they lived long lives.
Statistics tell us how many people die from Cancer or other Smoke related illnesses every year.
Are there any statistics of how many Smokers die every year of non-related Smoke illness ???

My family history is very similar. My grandmother was never seen without an unfiltered Camel cigarette in her mouth, and an alcoholic drink within reach. She also drank 2 pots of coffee every day. She lived to be 70, and died of liver failure. There was an autopsy done, and they found that her liver was the only part of her body that was diseased - her lungs were clear - meaning no abnormalities found. -- Most all of my relatives of my parents generation were heavy smokers, and those that did not die of blunt force trauma in some way, lived into old age, and none of them died of lung cancer.

My oldest sister never smoked, and was never around anyone who did, but she died of a heart attack at the age of 61, because she carried around 400 to 500 lbs on her body for way too many years. Food was her poison of choice and she lived and died according to that addiction. -- Where's the rabid anti-obesity zealots and their flaming websites????

My dad smoked a pipe in his youth and early adulthood on the farm, but was too poor to afford it when he married mom, and never smoked again. He lived to be 85 years old, but at 81 he had a stroke, and for the next four years mom had to take care of him like a 225 lb 3 year old. He would phase in and out of full sentience, and when he was fully sentient, his personal pain and suffering that shown on his face of being trapped in such a torturous state was unbearable to see. He died a slow painfully tortuous death. If any military prison tortured their prisoners that way, we'd all be calling for their heads, but when nature does it, or we do it through medical science, we don't think anything about it, which is really, really stupid.

Is life about "Quantity" or "Quality"? If we do everything that the health zealots tell us to do, and our genetics support extended longevity, then we too can live to be old enough to have a very high chance of dying a slow tortuous death in old age. - Is that what we want? Think about it?

As smokers, we are well aware of all the stressors to our health that our smoking habit causes. We don't need anyone to tell us about it, but still the rabid anti-smoking zealots continue to spew data garbage and pseudo-science with outright falsehoods mixed in for good measure all over their websites and campaigns, and make all smokers the worst of social villians. And, we put up with the suffering of their open ridicule.

So, a lot of people "try" to rid themselves of the smoking habit, but the big question remains: What are you going to replace your smoking addiction with? If you say; "nothing", then you're deluding yourself. Human physiology and psychology doesn't work that way. You will, whether you admit it or not, replace tobacco with something else, probably something as stressful or more stressful to your health, and with less pleasant benefits.

So, the fact we are addicted to tobacco means we have addictive personalities and physiologies, and we will foster an addiction to one thing or another all of our lives. There's no use fighting it, and pumping ourselves full of anti-depressants to get over it.

Currently, the e-cig technology looks promising at this point as a less stressful replacement of our tobacco addiction. But, don't fool yourself. You'll never get off the e-cigs either, unless you replace e-cigs with some other addiction.

Whether or not e-cigs are factually less stressful to our health than tobacco, is yet to be determined. However, with what we know now, the best logical calculated risk would be to use e-cigs as a replacement for tobacco, because as of now, they "appear" to be much less stressful to our health than tobacco.

So, simply stay vigilant to the data on e-cigs as it streams in over the years, and if it looks like they are more stressful to our health than tobacco, you can always switch back, or replace the addiction with something else - hopefully less stresful to your health. -- And that's the simple crux of it.
---Cheers

 

[Precocious49]

woop woop!! me too i knew i liked you!

I'm a moonchild, and there's that instant strong bond with Cappy's thing I have to be very careful about...

 

[xsmooth69x]

"blu cigs are the best"

 

[Applejackson]

He's right you know. If i can't tell people that what i am exhaling is not harmful to them and does NOT contain Nicotine in any shape or form then it is not going to be legal in Public.
Try giving one of e-cigs.uk's cards to a Scottish hairy arsed Bobby who's just told you to "put that thing away sonny or your inside"

I know I'm new, but if all that's in the juice is flavoring, PG, and (maybe) nicotine, I would think that all you exhale (after absorbing most of the nicotine, if there) would be a 99% PG vapor (+ your usual CO2). That's what they use in fog machines which most bars, clubs, stadiums, concert halls, and playhouses use frequently in small enclosed areas legally, so I would say it's probably safe according to those standards. If someone (particularly the owner of an establishment) gives you hassle, maybe you could politely explain this.

Sorry if anyone said this, but I didn't read through the whole thread.

 

[daniel2828]

It might be safer than tobacco smoking, we don't know, there are no scientific studies or clinical trials to test the effects of esmoking.

Haven't there? I've read otherwise. In any case, we seem to be between a rock and hard place here. We don't want FDA interference, but we want further studies to determine the safety of e-cigs. And who is going to do that other than the FDA (along with skewed results to suit their own purposes?).

Bottom line is, once these are regulated, be prepared to pay federal and state taxes, state taxes, assuming you can get the liquid at all without a doctor's prescription. And you know darned well your insurance isn't going to pay for it.

Better e-cigs is a matter of good ol' fashion competition, not government control. Forums like this will shed light on the best (and worst) products out there. Outside of that, be careful what you wish for.

 

[DaMulta]

it uses parts from china.. we alter remachine and modify those parts to produce a screwdriver which is the end product.. but the chinese bless their little cotton socks play a big part.. without cheaply produced chinese parts for us to play with there would be no screwdriver..

we are thinking about having the entire thing made in china the best that could be said then would be designed in the UK made in china.. there is no escaping the chinese they are now the worlds factory simple as that.. sad but true..

we will see what the future brings.. far tooo many variables in the cooking pot at the moment to be certain of anything.. but from small scale to big scale would mean china..

and to give credit where its due.. they did bring us e smoking..

trog

OMFG TROG YOU MAKE THE SCREW DRIVER ROFL

LOL narked you out over on TPU LOL

Oh no, can it be?>"DaMulta is quiting Cigarette Tobacco" - Page 10 - techPowerUp! Forums


SMALL SMALL WORLD!!!! I can't believe it!!!!!

 

[Pekingduk]

Precocious49, very well stated. I am of the same opinion. In my work, as a medic, I have seen so many people with many horrible habits live long and healthy lives, and others who follow every rule of the health zealots who die young of some unexplained illness. I believe in the rule of moderation, and common sense. And nothing is a sure thing. And that the body is designed to heal it's self 90% of the time, unless we do something to screw it up.

 

[kinabaloo]

OMFG TROG YOU MAKE THE SCREW DRIVER ROFL

LOL narked you out over on TPU LOL

Oh no, can it be?>"DaMulta is quiting Cigarette Tobacco" - Page 10 - techPowerUp! Forums


SMALL SMALL WORLD!!!! I can't believe it!!!!!

Had a wander over there in the strange land. Saw your key-chain vial holder - nice.

And this sig by Trog: Ignore the truth.. follow the herd.. you will make more friends that way and life will be easier..

Sad, but true