Ethical or unethical?

[Caesarea]

I'd like to state too that there is no way I would encourage anyone who neither vaped nor smoked to take up even zero nic. Especially if they referred to these as candy cigarettes. A phrase that rings all kinds of bells.

C.

 

[BlueSun]

As far as whether or not the forum is 'monitored': Does the FDA monitor us? Who can say? But I can without a doubt state that some 'antis' definitely do. One of my 'tongue-in-cheek' posts was quoted out of context in an 'anti' article a few months ago. I was at first surprised to see it, and then angered that something I had said in a joking manner was used out of context to cast vaping in a bad light.

Good warning. I put a disclaimer in my previous message.

 

[dumwaldo]

Every day THOUSANDS of people start smoking cigarettes. I guess today it was thousands minus one.

We do not chastise people when they turn 21 and start drinking even though we know for fact that drinking is harmful. We do not chastise people when they get a drivers license and start driving even though we know for fact that driving is dangerous. We do not chastise people for starting prescription medications even though many of those medications have proven damaging effects, including death in some cases. We do not chastise people who take on excessive amount of work in pursuit of career advancement even though we know the stress is damaging.

Chastising someone for taking up vaping is pretty hypocritical IMHO.

DW

 

[RedBullHighBride]

Oh Hai OSA!!
oops, wrong forum
If e-cigs and liquid and vape get banned (probably not) a cheaper and better alternative, for the oral fixation and whatnot would be for OP's GF would be to take up thumb-sucking. Which she likely wont cos she's a GROWN-UP. ie capable of making her own decisions. Crikey!

 

[taz3cat]

I think congress should pass a law that up reaching 21 years of age that we have to hire a licensed professional nanny to keep us in line. Then the government could get out of the nanny business and the rest of the Nanny's could go home.

 

[Antebellum]

Now, Taz, that's a thought.

I want my nanny! I want my nanny!

 

[Oblivionrising]

I have recently introduced vaping to my girlfriend. I actually baught her an e-ciggy. My concern is that she is not a smoker or nicotine user. Now she vapes her 0 nic juice with me all night as we hang out and loves it. Have I turned her potentially into an analog smoker if the FDA bans these little techno smokes of ours?

Your thoughts?

If the government bans E-cigs, I doubt they will be able to keep the actual e cigarette out of the country. You can in fact make her no nicotine cartridges without anything but you local health food store and hard candy flavorings. I doubt that she will ever be forced to turn to analog smoking. I am sure she would take one drag on a real cig and hit you for offering it to her. They taste *completely* different.

I wouldn't worry if you are using no nicotine cartridges.

 

[STILLSMOK9]

Personally I think it's kind of cool that she's willing to share something with you that means so much to you. You couldn't ask for better person than that.

That said, whatever floats her boat - and yours.

As far as her becoming an analog smoker, I doubt that'll happen even if ecigs do get banned. A lot of us who have vaped for any length of time no longer like the taste or smell of a real cig - yuck! I'm not saying it can't or won't ever happen but I just can't imagine a 0-nic vaporer toking on a Malrboro red for the sake of puffing on a stick just to blow smoke.

On the other hand if you catch her eying a new fog machine for the family room you might want to start worrying

Thanks Lika!

Great point!

The reason i am a e-smoker is because she introduced mr to the ides, so, in reality she turned me on to these techo-killers

ps Killers: give me a fr..n break

 

[STILLSMOK9]

Oh Hai OSA!!
oops, wrong forum
If e-cigs and liquid and vape get banned (probably not) a cheaper and better alternative, for the oral fixation and whatnot would be for OP's GF would be to take up thumb-sucking. Which she likely wont cos she's a GROWN-UP. ie capable of making her own decisions. Crikey!

Amen RedBull

 

[STILLSMOK9]

If the government bans E-cigs, I doubt they will be able to keep the actual e cigarette out of the country. You can in fact make her no nicotine cartridges without anything but you local health food store and hard candy flavorings. I doubt that she will ever be forced to turn to analog smoking. I am sure she would take one drag on a real cig and hit you for offering it to her. They taste *completely* different.

I wouldn't worry if you are using no nicotine cartridges.

Excellent point. Thanks for being REAL!!

 

[wyzardd]

My wife is one of those freaks that can smoke every day for a month and then set them down without a single craving. Now instead of buying that one pack of flavored Camels, she has her own pretty red super mini and a bottle of low-nic rose flavor.

If a person is over 18, they are responsible for their own decisions in my opinion. "Don't vape because the FDA is watching"? This is getting as bad as the gun boards where no one will mention owning a firearm without adding "but then I lost it in a tragic boating accident".

 

[HK45]

I have recently introduced vaping to my girlfriend. I actually baught her an e-ciggy. My concern is that she is not a smoker or nicotine user. Now she vapes her 0 nic juice with me all night as we hang out and loves it. Have I turned her potentially into an analog smoker if the FDA bans these little techno smokes of ours?

Your thoughts?

One of the first things I read in the FDA's response to PV's is that it would cause non-smoker's, who wouldn't otherwise smoke, feel safe and comfortable about starting to use personal vaporizers. That is exactly what your post says has happened.

From a personal point of view, you and your girlfriend have the right to do whatever you want, but as far as our, meaning vapers, current situation you couldn't have hurt our cause much more. Especially by putting it in print. As someone else said, these sites are being monitored and you just gave them another bullet!

 

[Oblivionrising]

Excellent point. Thanks for being REAL!!

Thank you. My friend actually stopped using nicotine cartridges about two weeks ago. I make him no nicotine cartridges and he loves them. He too gets to sit down with me and vape and he had only been vaping since April 20th. For some people this is an amazing wonderful thing.

I *KNOW* that I will have to make sure I have a constant supply of nicotine because I have learned something else: There are in fact people (like myself) that get more addicted to the actual nicotine than most. I personally have *VIOLENT* withdrawal if I don't have nicotine. I will do anything not to have to go back to smoking analogs, but if the market gets too dry even I have bummed a cigarette from my non vaping friends when my supplies took just a little too long to get to me.

I wish I could say that I have quite completly, but being so new to e-cigs, I hadn't learned how far in advance I have to buy my ejuice. I am getting better at it though so I don't have to resort to smoking because I can't even go a few hours without ...... like withdrawl symptoms.

Such is life though.

 

[Oblivionrising]

One of the first things I read in the FDA's response to PV's is that it would cause non-smoker's, who wouldn't otherwise smoke, feel safe and comfortable about starting to use personal vaporizers. That is exactly what your post says has happened.

From a personal point of view, you and your girlfriend have the right to do whatever you want, but as far as our, meaning vapers, current situation you couldn't have hurt our cause much more. Especially by putting it in print. As someone else said, these sites are being monitored and you just gave them another bullet!

And there are nonsmokers that feel perfectly comfortable going to the hooka bar and smoking sheesha with their friends at lunch.

Saying that he has just given the FDA another bullet is like saying... well it's like saying they weren't going to do what they wanted anyway. We all know this is not about the protection of people from the dangers of Vaping. It is about protecting the interest of people with enough money to bribe them.

I think I am going to go have some of my new experimental cheerios.

 

[STILLSMOK9]

Dogman, you need to take a deep breath. The FDA and the whole ban issue is to an extent way out of the internets jurisdiction(It will be decided by $ for the most part. sucks for democracy?) First of all I am making a point that the claims that maybe innocent approachers of the e-cig could fall to such rediculous assumptions just like they could to CHEERIOS)

Get a Life!!!!


it like it is

 

[tokarev]

One of the first things I read in the FDA's response to PV's is that it would cause non-smoker's, who wouldn't otherwise smoke, feel safe and comfortable about starting to use personal vaporizers. That is exactly what your post says has happened.

From a personal point of view, you and your girlfriend have the right to do whatever you want, but as far as our, meaning vapers, current situation you couldn't have hurt our cause much more. Especially by putting it in print. As someone else said, these sites are being monitored and you just gave them another bullet!

The government nannys at the FDA have already made up their minds, so our conversations here will make no difference. Congress can rein in the FDA, but so far it doesn't look likely they will do so. My response to the FDA claim that PVs will cause non-smokers to start vaping is--so what? They're STILL not SMOKING. But that's just one man's opinion.

[Satirical comment follows - FDA, DHS, etc. should not take seriously!]
My biggest objection to the whole "nanny state" mindset is that it interferes with natural selection. The stupid should be allowed to eliminate themselves from the gene pool. That's what the Darwin award is for!

TT33

 

[HK45]

The government nannys at the FDA have already made up their minds, so our conversations here will make no difference. Congress can rein in the FDA, but so far it doesn't look likely they will do so. My response to the FDA claim that PVs will cause non-smokers to start vaping is--so what? They're STILL not SMOKING. But that's just one man's opinion.

[Satirical comment follows - FDA, DHS, etc. should not take seriously!]
My biggest objection to the whole "nanny state" mindset is that it interferes with natural selection. The stupid should be allowed to eliminate themselves from the gene pool. That's what the Darwin award is for!

TT33

tokarev,

I have no intention of getting into a p***ing match with you but if they intended to take away your 1911 would you have the same attitude?

I have a hard time accepting the stance (on anything that I feel is my right) that they have already made up their minds so I guess I'll just do nothing! Public opinion does count, especially when you are of voting age.

You all do and say what you like. It doesn't matter...right? And by the way, unless the guy's girlfriend requested it or bought it on her own, he's dead wrong, in one man's opinion. Also, why publicly ask our opinion when they have already made the decision and "she loves it"? Seems strange.

Over and out.

 

[The Rain Man]

I for one think your girlfriend would be better off if she never started vaping.Do I think it is better than smoking Cigs? yes.Is it better than smoking nothing? No its a far cry away. These Ecigs still have 7-14 chemicals versus 4000 chemicals from a analog being inhaled ...If you think smoking E cigs is better than not smoking anything you need to go back to the basics of life period.

 

[Caesarea]

HK45 and I still have some hopes. Tread softly, for you tread on our dreams.

C.

 

[gnsmith]

I'm shocked that the opinions here are a resounding "You shouldn't have done that."

How is what he did any different than giving a non coffee drinker a cup of decaf? Or someone who doesn't drink alcohol a virgin mai tai? Give me a break! OMG OUTLAW THE CAPPUCCINO JELLY BELLIES!!! THEY'LL TURN YOU INTO A CAFFEINE FREAK! 8-o It's obvious the hate of tobacco has even poisoned us smokers' minds!

She's an adult and can make her own decisions. If she enjoys it, GOOD for her. I'm happy that someone found some pleasure in doing what they do that doesn't harm another.

We need to get away from this mentality of dictating what someone can do to their own body. And parents need to stop blaming corporations and the government for failures of care for their children (which is, imo, how we got to where we are now in the first place).

Sorry for the rant but people saying what he did was unethical makes me a sad panda To StillSmok9, it is not in any way unethical, imo, and congrats for finding something you and your girl can enjoy and share together.