Ethical or unethical?

[laynies]

She is 26, but she still gets carded for cheerios

And we all know how dangerous cheerios are! I hear they "might" be healthy but the FDA doesn't want you to know

Of all the people who I've shown my PV to, only 2 have asked to try it and they were both non-smokers.. go figure.

 

[Vee]

I'm shocked that the opinions here are a resounding "You shouldn't have done that."

How is what he did any different than giving a non coffee drinker a cup of decaf? Or someone who doesn't drink alcohol a virgin mai tai? Give me a break! OMG OUTLAW THE CAPPUCCINO JELLY BELLIES!!! THEY'LL TURN YOU INTO A CAFFEINE FREAK! 8-o It's obvious the hate of tobacco has even poisoned us smokers' minds!

She's an adult and can make her own decisions. If she enjoys it, GOOD for her. I'm happy that someone found some pleasure in doing what they do that doesn't harm another.

We need to get away from this mentality of dictating what someone can do to their own body. And parents need to stop blaming corporations and the government for failures of care for their children (which is, imo, how we got to where we are now in the first place).

Sorry for the rant but people saying what he did was unethical makes me a sad panda To StillSmok9, it is not in any way unethical, imo, and congrats for finding something you and your girl can enjoy and share together.

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

Well, there are certainly passionate decisions on both sides of this fence....

my .02? She's an informed adult. She has the right to make her own decisions. My 20 year old son started smoking around 18 (yes, I set a perfect example for him....way to go, Mom!), but he was stronger than I ever was...he decided cigarettes weren't for him.

Now, he has some of my discarded equipment, and vapes 0 nic....occasionally, just for the flavors...If they ban these, he'll have no desire to go back to tobacco.

 

[WendyM]

I'm so sick of this neurotic self loathing that we've all learned as smokers. I'm sick of apologizing for my habits/addictions/personal quirks. I'm not going to take that peculiarity with me any more, not with vaping.

Would any of you rather that OP start his girlfriend on smokes so that she can "legitimately" use a PV?

Are we going to tell our kids not to chew gum because it leads to nicotine gum use?

 

[breakfastchef]

The bottom line is that smokers who choose to vape are doing so as part of a personal harm reduction strategy. In the back of all our minds are the nagging questions about the absolute safety of long-term vaping, though we are fairly confident that vaping is less harmful than smoking analogs.

Since we cannot be 100% sure that vaping is as relatively harmless as we wish to believe, it could be argued that starting someone on vaping could be doing that person a great disservice. Even at zero nic levels, the long term effects of PG/VG inhalation and flavoring agents in e-liquids is still a huge unknown. The personal vaporizer can be a useful tool to help us become smoke-free on our final destination of being vape-free.

 

[Angela]

The personal vaporizer can be a useful tool to help us become smoke-free on our final destination of being vape-free.

I do wish that people would stop assuming that everyone else WANTS to quit.

I never WANTED to quit analogues - I was just looking for a cheaper alternative to use between my 'favourite' cigarettes of the day. It just so happened that, unexpecedly, I preferred the e-cig and moved over to using that full-time.

 

[Caesarea]

I do wish that people would stop assuming that everyone else WANTS to quit.

I never WANTED to quit analogues - I was just looking for a cheaper alternative to use between my 'favourite' cigarettes of the day. It just so happened that, unexpecedly, I preferred the e-cig and moved over to using that full-time.

I'll second that!!

 

[WendyM]

True, but my bottom line is that I don't exactly know what the long term affects of many things are on me. Some may prove to be beneficial, and some may prove harmful. Frankly, I think I know more about the ingredients in my PV than what goes onto the veggies that I buy at the grocery store, or even what is in my hand cream.

One would hope that veggies are going to be healthier than a pack of Doritos chips, or that moisturizing to prevent broken skin does not create a long term dependency on moisturizer but when one is an adult it's that persons choice.

We cannot be 100% sure that *anything* is relatively harmless. Surely at least we have enough anecdotal evidence that our PVs are far less harmful than cigarettes and PG might even have some beneficial qualities.

 

[TropicalBob]

Oh you are so very RIGHT about site monitoring by the FDA. That GF might be called to testify before Congress some day ... turning on non-smokers to vaping is a major no-no!

 

[Lika]

I'll second that!!

I third that!!

 

[Kate]

I'll eleventy seven it

 

[Lika]

Oh you are so very RIGHT about site monitoring by the FDA. That GF might be called to testify before Congress some day ... turning on non-smokers to vaping is a major no-no!

Maybe... But for the side opposing the FDA. That GF, as you referred to her, is an adult citizen of the U.S. who happens to be living proof that our devices should NOT be considered drug delivery systems. Ya know, since she's not using it to deliver drugs to her system. The FDA would be a fool to call her to testify. We would chew that testimony up and spit it out while handing it back to the FDA on a silver platter with a huge "Thank You" note.

All this talk about turning non-smokers into vaporers is just scare-tactic-hoopla in an effort to get the public behind the anti-smoking bandits. Sure it can sway some politicians and perhaps even influence legislation. However, it should never hold up in a court of law that has any scruples on the basis that only facts are to be considered. Note, I said "should never" and not "would never."

 

[Kitabz]

I have a friend who likes to vape zero-nic e-cigs occasionally (to the extent that I took a spare one and zero-nic liquid on holiday for her [geez, I feel like a dealer now]).

Aside from the fact that any adult - at this time - is free to go and buy a pack of smokes from the shop should they so wish, why should non-smokers not be equally free to vape if they enjoy it? As has been repeated - these are not NRTs, but alternatives to smoking. There are may people on this site who have dropped analogs because they prefer vaping. Why can non-smokers not join in?

It's a bit like saying that alcohol-free beer should only be consumed by dry alcoholics. If someone likes the sensation of vaping but doesn't want/need the nicotine, what's the risk (other than the unknown long term health risks that apply to many, many things)?

On a similar line, if someone decides to drink alcohol-free beer rather than cola, do we feel compelled to stop them just in case of the "slippery slope" argument (technically a fallacy BTW)?

Lots of folks on this site are happy to evangelise about just how safe e-cigs are [despite lack of testing] so if they are so safe, what's the problem?

Of course most of use here are also regretful nicotine addicts and now having semi-freed ourselves we are wanting to "save" others from the risks and trouble that this addiction has cost and continues to cost us.

No, no, no.

Not for me anyway. As far as I'm concerned, adults are free to make their own choices (and mistakes potentially).

 

[WendyM]

Hopefully e cigs wont be banned but if they do i bet she would try an analog and hate it.

Good point. I have smoked for 19 years and after 1 day of vaping decided that analogs taste like cr*p.

 

[STILLSMOK9]

I'm shocked that the opinions here are a resounding "You shouldn't have done that."

How is what he did any different than giving a non coffee drinker a cup of decaf? Or someone who doesn't drink alcohol a virgin mai tai? Give me a break! OMG OUTLAW THE CAPPUCCINO JELLY BELLIES!!! THEY'LL TURN YOU INTO A CAFFEINE FREAK! 8-o It's obvious the hate of tobacco has even poisoned us smokers' minds!

She's an adult and can make her own decisions. If she enjoys it, GOOD for her. I'm happy that someone found some pleasure in doing what they do that doesn't harm another.

We need to get away from this mentality of dictating what someone can do to their own body. And parents need to stop blaming corporations and the government for failures of care for their children (which is, imo, how we got to where we are now in the first place).

Sorry for the rant but people saying what he did was unethical makes me a sad panda To StillSmok9, it is not in any way unethical, imo, and congrats for finding something you and your girl can enjoy and share together.

Thanks Vee!

Actually we DO enjoy vaping together.

AND FOR THE RECORD fellow vapors- My girlfriend introduced me to the e-Cigarette 2 1/2 months ago and I have not lit up since my first puff of vapor ;-)

 

[STILLSMOK9]

In addition to quiting analogs I have also cut my nic intake in half. I started on 11mg now I am down to 6mg ;-)

 

[Nephthys]

I have just addressed this issue with her and she has made it perfectly clear that she can not resist those candy cigarettes. Trust me fellow vapors, the ONLY REASON I started this thread is to PROVE that this is RIDICULOUS. My girl is working on her PHD at one of the most prestigious medical schools in the world))

Wait. What? So this was a social experiment?

I guess I missed the point if it was other than to rile up the forum.

 

[BlueSun]

NOTICE TO POTENTIAL FDA LURKERS: The following message is an attempt at being humourous. It didn't happen. DO NOT TAKE MESSAGE OUT OF CONTEXT. DO NOT PANIC.

I introduced my friend to 0 nic liquid. He was a non-smoker, but now he's completely addicted to the stuff. He moved up to 38mg e-liquid because he wanted to feel what it was like to have a nic buzz. He goes through about ten 30ml bottles of the stuff every day. When that wasn't enough, I caught him trying to pour some liquid onto his Cheerios in the morning. Luckily I stopped that. Oh my God, but it didn't stop there. He's also moved to chewing tobacco and chews about 25 cans of the stuff a day - that's including the vaping.

I feel like such a bad friend. What have I done? Damn, he just came over as I'm writing this, and he's got lit Churchill-sized cigars stuffed in his nostrils and ears and - OMG - I can't tell where else he's just stuck one! He is a nic fiend and can't stop. All because I introduced him to 0 nic vaping.

Gotta go! He's trying to eat the cigars now!

NOTICE TO POTENTIAL FDA LURKERS: The above message was an attempt at being humourous. It didn't happen. DO NOT TAKE MESSAGE OUT OF CONTEXT. DO NOT PANIC.

 

[Caesarea]

I introduced my friend to 0 nic liquid. He was a non-smoker, but now he's completely addicted to the stuff. He moved up to 38mg e-liquid because he wanted to feel what it was like to have a nic buzz. He goes through about ten 30ml bottles of the stuff every day. When that wasn't enough, I caught him trying to pour some liquid onto his Cheerios in the morning. Luckily I stopped that. Oh my God, but it didn't stop there. He's also moved to chewing tobacco and chews about 25 cans of the stuff a day - that's including the vaping.

I feel like such a bad friend. What have a done? Damn, he just came over as I'm writing this and he's got lit Churchill-sized cigars stuffed in his nostrils and ears and - OMG - I can't tell where else he's just stuck one! He is a nic fiend and can't stop. All because I introduced him to 0 nic vaping.

Gotta go! He's trying to eat the cigars now!

I blame it on the Cheerios...



C.

 

[Walrus]

Much as I've tried to resist, I'm going to add my $.04 worth (thats two cents on two topics!)

As far as whether or not the forum is 'monitored': Does the FDA monitor us? Who can say? But I can without a doubt state that some 'antis' definitely do. One of my 'tongue-in-cheek' posts was quoted out of context in an 'anti' article a few months ago. I was at first surprised to see it, and then angered that something I had said in a joking manner was used out of context to cast vaping in a bad light.

My opinion for the OP... While I support any adult being able to make their own decisions when it comes to vaping, and would never say 'shame on you' or anything like it, it seems kind of silly and pointless to pick up a new costly, potentially harmful habit. I personally discourage the non-smokers who are interested in seeing what my PV's are about.

Your mileage may vary.