ethyl alcohol in my e-liquid?
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CPG Sec. 555.100 Alcohol; Use of Synthetic Alcohol in Foods
Read the last paragraph. Says it is okay to a certain extent.
Read the last paragraph. Says it is okay to a certain extent.
Some juice companies use a flavorings that are based in alcohol, this is usually a higher concentration flavoring, others use flavorings based in VG & PG, usually the ones in the Alcohol base need to steep much longer also, both are fine and OK.
Will make you feel the hit a little more, if minute will just inhance flavor, even with pure alcohol it would take about an hour of vaping before the effects of that were felt. I would say ignore it
This may be more information than you want at this point, but this will tell you which flavorings contain alcohol if you want to avoid them.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/74109-guide-diy-flavoring.html
If you do any cooking, vanilla extract contains ethyl alcohol. Although you can buy it without alcohol.
Vanilla extract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I would say any vendor that actually lists the ingredients on the bottle isn't the bottom of the barrel. Most don't do that. But if you don't feel comfortable with any alcohol in your e-liquid, definitely ask the supplier first. Many will tell you I would think.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/74109-guide-diy-flavoring.html
If you do any cooking, vanilla extract contains ethyl alcohol. Although you can buy it without alcohol.
Vanilla extract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I would say any vendor that actually lists the ingredients on the bottle isn't the bottom of the barrel. Most don't do that. But if you don't feel comfortable with any alcohol in your e-liquid, definitely ask the supplier first. Many will tell you I would think.
FWIW, I use vodka (which is more than half ethyl alcohol) to clean my gear, and I also put a few drops in the tank if/when the juice thickens/darkens. It sometimes helps wicking and can give the taste a "pick-up" between cleaning and filling. Vaping ethanol is unlikely to do any harm, unless you have a sensitivity or allergy to it. It's also unlikely you'll get a significant amount of alcohol in your bloodstream from vaping, unless you're able to vape something like 10ml of pure ethanol in less than an hour (Ouch!). And even then I've no idea what the actual absorption rate would be in the lungs, but I'd guess you'd actually exhale most of it.
I wouldn't want to vape synthetic ethanol, but most (if not all) food-grade alcohols should be sourced from a fermented and distilled alcohol. I can't imagine that an e-liquid maker would use anything else, though if you have concerns, I'd ask.
I wouldn't want to vape synthetic ethanol, but most (if not all) food-grade alcohols should be sourced from a fermented and distilled alcohol. I can't imagine that an e-liquid maker would use anything else, though if you have concerns, I'd ask.
I would be more concerned with the vendors that don't give any info on the contents.
I usually use flavorings that have PG as a base. Lorann lists the contents on all of their flavorings. I'm sure some other companies do too. I'll stick with them.
I usually use flavorings that have PG as a base. Lorann lists the contents on all of their flavorings. I'm sure some other companies do too. I'll stick with them.
this! I'm a label reader. Nutritionally, about 95% of stuff on the grocery shelves I would not injest into my body LOL but it's sold as "food".
1) What is steeping?
2)) is there a way to order liquids that are all PG, all VG and then 1/2 and 1/2 so I can find out from the get-go if either of these substances bother me?
1) Steeping is basically 'aging'. I allows the ingredients to finish interacting to a point where no further chemical activity is possible. Usually allowing the bottles to sit uncapped for a day or so and then sit out of sunlight for a week or month.
2) It's as simple as buying a bottle of PG and one of VG and vaping them seperately. You do not need flavoring or nicotine to try your experiment. Then mix 1:1 to try the combination!
Don't make it harder than it has to be! Lol
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I would of thought the alcohol would have burnt of with the heat of the coil?.
I would of thought the alcohol would have burnt of with the heat of the coil?.
Exactly, but where do the fumes go from there?
I would also think that steeping with the tops off the bottles would allow the alcohol to evaporate, so I don't really worry about it.
Just to clarify: I'd HOPE that all juice makers use "food grade" or even "pharma grade" ingredients, but if anyone has a specific concern, it'd best to ask the maker, if the ingredients are not explicitly listed on the bottle or on the vendor's site. I wish all vendors were explicit about their exact ingredients, though I can understand not wanting to give away "secret" recipes.
Also, just because an ingredient is "food grade" doesn't mean it's safe to inhale. However, food-grade ethanol should be generally safe, in small quantities, unless the user has a sensitivity or allergy to it. I've read several posts where people say they can't take any ethanol in their juice. It doesn't seem to bother me though, so YMMV.
Also, just because an ingredient is "food grade" doesn't mean it's safe to inhale. However, food-grade ethanol should be generally safe, in small quantities, unless the user has a sensitivity or allergy to it. I've read several posts where people say they can't take any ethanol in their juice. It doesn't seem to bother me though, so YMMV.
Wow a lot of replys, thanks everyone for your input and advice. I smoked a pack and a half of cigaretts a day for 30 yrs so I guess a little bit of food grade ethanol in my e-juice wont kill me. Been tabacco free for 3 months now.
Just a quick question. Aren't ethyl alcohol and ethanol two completely different substances? Ethanol is Indy and NASCAR racing fuel. Ethyl alcohol is drinkable and as far as e liquid goes most recipes that call for alcohol suggests some type of grain alcohol which would ethyl alcohol. Ethanol I believe would kill you or at the very least make you extremely ill. I will leave some space for me to be wrong though.
Ethanol is the same stuff as ethyl alcohol, "grain alcohol" or PGA as it's often referred to.
Ethanol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Though usually when used for racing car fuel, or any other not-for-consumption use, it's denatured. They add some other nasty-tasting or poisonous stuff so taxes don't have to be paid on it as drinkable alcohol.
Even when not denatured, 100% Pure ethanol is quite dangerous to drink, unless diluted or taken in very small doses, as ethanol poisoning can be fatal. 50% (100 proof) is usually about as strong as you want to drink ethanol straight. Though I'm sure there are those who would beg to differ...
Some alcohols (e.g. methanol, isopropyl) can kill or seriously harm you even in relatively small doses. Though still others in trace amounts (propanol and friends) in some beverages (notably beer) can give a characteristic flavor profile (or off-taste).
I didn't know this until just now, but technically, both PG and VG are alcohols, or more specifically polyols.
Ethanol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Though usually when used for racing car fuel, or any other not-for-consumption use, it's denatured. They add some other nasty-tasting or poisonous stuff so taxes don't have to be paid on it as drinkable alcohol.
Even when not denatured, 100% Pure ethanol is quite dangerous to drink, unless diluted or taken in very small doses, as ethanol poisoning can be fatal. 50% (100 proof) is usually about as strong as you want to drink ethanol straight. Though I'm sure there are those who would beg to differ...
Some alcohols (e.g. methanol, isopropyl) can kill or seriously harm you even in relatively small doses. Though still others in trace amounts (propanol and friends) in some beverages (notably beer) can give a characteristic flavor profile (or off-taste).
I didn't know this until just now, but technically, both PG and VG are alcohols, or more specifically polyols.
I think the ethyl alcohol is probably fine. Depending on how it is done.
Virgin Vapors uses it in ONE of their formulations: (virgin vapor line) but the Absolute line doesn't contain any ethyl alcohol if you are worried about that.
I mainly appreciate vendors who explain, in detail, exactly what goes into their product, and how, and this vendor, as well as a few others, meets that criteria for me:
"I use only USDA certified organic flavorings. My flavors do not contain any nuts, gluten, sugar or other added sweeteners. They are also vegan and Kosher. Because my flavors are steam extracted and/or extracted in organic ethyl alcohol, there is no chemical residue left behind from the extraction process...."
Bolding is mine.
Talking to my doctor this week......*anything* is better than smoking analogs, though he didn't do full research on e-cigs, heartily endorsed anything that would get people off the cancer sticks.
(Brag-alert coming up: he had not seen me for 8 months....I got a full set of blood labs before I went. I've been on a very "clean" diet for 8 months, and 1st thing he said to me when he saw my labs and me: "WHAT did you do.....I want to do it!"
I lowered my total cholesterol by 80 pts (!!!) as well as increased my good cholesterol by 10 pts, and lowered triglycerides by 53 pts + lost 45 pounds in the process (I was only overweight, not obese or anything) My vitamin levels were all perfect, too. He said that he did not have any patients on statins who could have done any better.....and that I was better off than they were simply because I was not having to take a pharmaceutical).
To make a long story short, as we know from vaping, health is very much about lifestyle, and most modern disease is directly attributed to diseases of lifestyle.
A long story short: cook from scratch, low fat, fresh foods, and nothing out of a bag, box or can, and nothing processed. And plenty of walking.
That's how I did it.
Virgin Vapors uses it in ONE of their formulations: (virgin vapor line) but the Absolute line doesn't contain any ethyl alcohol if you are worried about that.
I mainly appreciate vendors who explain, in detail, exactly what goes into their product, and how, and this vendor, as well as a few others, meets that criteria for me:
"I use only USDA certified organic flavorings. My flavors do not contain any nuts, gluten, sugar or other added sweeteners. They are also vegan and Kosher. Because my flavors are steam extracted and/or extracted in organic ethyl alcohol, there is no chemical residue left behind from the extraction process...."
Bolding is mine.
Talking to my doctor this week......*anything* is better than smoking analogs, though he didn't do full research on e-cigs, heartily endorsed anything that would get people off the cancer sticks.
(Brag-alert coming up: he had not seen me for 8 months....I got a full set of blood labs before I went. I've been on a very "clean" diet for 8 months, and 1st thing he said to me when he saw my labs and me: "WHAT did you do.....I want to do it!"
I lowered my total cholesterol by 80 pts (!!!) as well as increased my good cholesterol by 10 pts, and lowered triglycerides by 53 pts + lost 45 pounds in the process (I was only overweight, not obese or anything) My vitamin levels were all perfect, too. He said that he did not have any patients on statins who could have done any better.....and that I was better off than they were simply because I was not having to take a pharmaceutical).
To make a long story short, as we know from vaping, health is very much about lifestyle, and most modern disease is directly attributed to diseases of lifestyle.
A long story short: cook from scratch, low fat, fresh foods, and nothing out of a bag, box or can, and nothing processed. And plenty of walking.
That's how I did it.- Status
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