EVOD head prototype mod for Billet Box only.
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Here you go Big Screen D, the long neck Condor. Of course I don't have the pin or the long wick installed, got to leave you some fun things to do, but did include a little brass tubing and a piece of Teflon. The Teflon is a little large, but it is not too difficult to work down and drill out. Can't wait till you give it a test drive, as I am curious how it will work. Note the countersink on the threads allows for a better ARO gasket fit, shouldn't have any gasket ballooning.
Wow, J that looks sweet! You da man.
LOng neck Condor huh. Heck lets dub it "The Drunk Crane" lol.
Sorry about not getting that email back to you regarding length. It's still in draft, but you hit it just right.
Been thinking about how to get the long wick in the tank. Think the best way is going to be to put the pieces in separately. Bottom first with the long wicks in first, the mate the top piece once the bottom is in the tank.
If it's a juice spitter, I'll use some SS mesh above the stem to stop that. I haven't used a top coil clearo in forever. Probably because the early ones where a PIA to build with a proper wick and coil. This will be childs play to wick and coil.
LOng neck Condor huh. Heck lets dub it "The Drunk Crane" lol.
Sorry about not getting that email back to you regarding length. It's still in draft, but you hit it just right.
Been thinking about how to get the long wick in the tank. Think the best way is going to be to put the pieces in separately. Bottom first with the long wicks in first, the mate the top piece once the bottom is in the tank.
If it's a juice spitter, I'll use some SS mesh above the stem to stop that. I haven't used a top coil clearo in forever. Probably because the early ones where a PIA to build with a proper wick and coil. This will be childs play to wick and coil.
Thought I would add a link in here to the Piko3 wire welder. Though it is absolutely not necessary with the Condor which has short legs already when building a vertical micro coil. But since I have the Piko3, might try it for the hell of it.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...6291-wire-welder-piko-3-a-2.html#post11301530
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...6291-wire-welder-piko-3-a-2.html#post11301530
subscribed, I like the ease of rebuilding a ProTank head, and I like my Carto Tanks - best of both worlds - looking forward to future developments 
Just wanted to say thanks drunk j and the condors are amazing. One of my best vaping rbas and tiny at that with just a single micro vertical coil. Was in love with duel coil drippers but since the bb came along I was struggling to get a constant quality vape. Not anymore. Selling everything now but my bb and condors.... And a few tinkering toys. I'm now in love with the bb and condor!
You might be able to wrap the long wick around the smaller diameter section to squeeze it in the tank. Dont think it will need to be a huge wick. Haha...Drunk Crane. You should have it by the weekend. Can't wait to hear how it works.
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Have a tank all cleaned up and ready for the D Crane.
Plan to try both a hemp vertical and horizontal micro coil in this top coil version.
Because of the shape and 6ml size of the Billet Box tank, the bottom coil design sometimes has problems once the juice level falls below half full and the vacuum resistance holding back the juice flow is reduced to the wick and tends to flood the coil. Preemptively topping off the tank is the best cure for this.
With the top coil, the tricky part as it always is, will be what wick design to use to prevent dry hits. Particularly important since I don't like to use silica.
Was also thinking, since the SS tubing is tough to tap, as well as having to be milled to 9mm, we could also use a 510 adapter and a carto tube to make a base. Not going to try that just yet until I finish testing the one Drunk put together.
Plan to try both a hemp vertical and horizontal micro coil in this top coil version.
Because of the shape and 6ml size of the Billet Box tank, the bottom coil design sometimes has problems once the juice level falls below half full and the vacuum resistance holding back the juice flow is reduced to the wick and tends to flood the coil. Preemptively topping off the tank is the best cure for this.
With the top coil, the tricky part as it always is, will be what wick design to use to prevent dry hits. Particularly important since I don't like to use silica.
Was also thinking, since the SS tubing is tough to tap, as well as having to be milled to 9mm, we could also use a 510 adapter and a carto tube to make a base. Not going to try that just yet until I finish testing the one Drunk put together.
Also have a idea for a wickless BCC version. Though this may be better suited to a Pro Tank since in order for it to work, the tank must be 100% airtight, and the coil feeder would have to remain submerged at all times. Just throwing around random ruminations while waiting for MNF.
Oh crap, I changed the name of the photo library the other day and totally didn't think about links to it. Jeez. I will change the name back. Thanks for alerting me.
Ok, they should be back to normal now.
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Yeah, I get a little of that flooding too, but mine is usually in the bottom 3rd when it happens. But I can live with that tiny little flaw. Besides, it is always best to have a full tank. Never know when the zombie apocalypse is going to catch you off guard, so best to at least have a full tank and fresh batteries...haha.
You could also just put several 510 adapter together in a row...hehe...cheating I know. Wish I could find the right size SS tubing. Weird thing is a small sample I had fit fine, then what I ordered did not fit. Let me tell you, hand milling 3/8 SS tubing down the 9mm is a beeotch. And making it fairly consistent is even worse. That is why that was the first and only Drunk Crane. I do like the idea of using carto tube for part of the lower. Wish I had a small mill....sigh....need more room in my shop.
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I am gonna be honest, I have no idea what those acronyms mean....haha. Guess I am still a relatively vape noob compared to some of you around here.
But while we are tossing ideas. I was cleaning out the closet the other day and happened across and old ultrasonic humidifier. So anyway, the mad scientist in me decided to put a few drops on the element (for the hellovit...haha). It did actually work. Very strong smelling, but mild looking vapor. Guess it would be ridiculous to make a micro ultrasonic element for an ecig...but it was kinda cool to see anyway.
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Just thought it would be good to mention in this thread. Big Screen D got me into making my vertical coils out of 28 gauge kanthal instead of 32 gauge and wrapping around a 1/16 drill bit instead of the 20 gauge needle. Man that made a huge difference in vapor and how long I can go between wick changes. He also started me using hemp fiber instead of the cotton fiber and that stuff wicks much better too. Anyway, I don't think that info was posted in here anywhere and it really should be. Makes an already great condor freakn unbelievable!
Also hoping to see some finished pics from BSD soon of the Drunk Crane...haha!
Also hoping to see some finished pics from BSD soon of the Drunk Crane...haha!
Hah, just popped in before hitting the sack J.
Just finished putting the long neck in a tank. Took me forever just to drill a hole in that SS base material for a air hole lol. Dude, I see what you meant when you said it was a bear to mill and tap that sucker. Still have some tweaks to the build to do, and should get some pics up tomorrow. Airflow is just a little to tight for my liking, so I need to open it up just a tad
It's up and running. Went with a horizontal vertical micro coil. Warmer vape, and flavor is good. Though I do miss the sizzle of the vertical. Will try a vertical next, though wicking is going to be tricky.
Thanks so much for sending that to me. I know it took some time to make. I really do appreciate it J.
Just finished putting the long neck in a tank. Took me forever just to drill a hole in that SS base material for a air hole lol. Dude, I see what you meant when you said it was a bear to mill and tap that sucker. Still have some tweaks to the build to do, and should get some pics up tomorrow. Airflow is just a little to tight for my liking, so I need to open it up just a tad
It's up and running. Went with a horizontal vertical micro coil. Warmer vape, and flavor is good. Though I do miss the sizzle of the vertical. Will try a vertical next, though wicking is going to be tricky.
Thanks so much for sending that to me. I know it took some time to make. I really do appreciate it J.
Haha, I completely forgot to mention about the air holes, it is way easier to cut slots in the bottom with a dremel cutoff disc. SS grinds easy, but cuts or drills tough. Typically if I drill it (I play a lot with SS), I use cobalt bits, but they are extremely brittle. Yeah, it took a while to tap as I could only order a standard tap (and not a bottoming tap), so I had to go much deeper to get the proper threads. And SS doesn't play nice when hand threading.
I am glad you got it together. Did you end up using any of that Teflon for the insulator? It was fun making something like that, but would be way more fun if I had a mill and lathe. Glad you like it.
So what the hell is a horizontal vertical micro coil? Is that a coil that can't make up it's mind which way it wants to go? hahaha Sorry, couldn't resist.
Yep, used the Teflon. Had to make two pieces since I can't drill straight lol.
Horizontal is simply a wick set up like comes with the standard head, but with the coil wraps all touching like you've been doing with the vertical builds.
Horizontal is simply a wick set up like comes with the standard head, but with the coil wraps all touching like you've been doing with the vertical builds.
Yeah, even in a drill press I would have been off center drilling that little sucker. PITA trying to drill something out like that.
Was just messing with you about the coil. But I am still waiting on the pics!
Here you go Big Screen D, the long neck Condor. Of course I don't have the pin or the long wick installed, got to leave you some fun things to do, but did include a little brass tubing and a piece of Teflon. The Teflon is a little large, but it is not too difficult to work down and drill out. Can't wait till you give it a test drive, as I am curious how it will work. Note the countersink on the threads allows for a better ARO gasket fit, shouldn't have any gasket ballooning.
So I've now run through a tank with this top coil design, and am pleased to report it works well. Specifically, I wanted to see how well the wicking would work as the juice neared empty, and with this hemp fiber wick, I was able to nearly empty the tank and still the wick kept the coil wet.
Now this set up as machined by Drunk J, requires special tubing, and a 510 tap to replicate. This is the best way to make one of these. But knowing most people will not have the later laying around the house, I intended to put one together using a 510 adapter JB welded into a carto tube. Alas, thus far, life has gotten in the way, so this will have to wait until maybe Sunday.
So here are a few pics to go along with what J posted before he sent the parts to me.
This is a shot of the base with a 1/16" hole drilled in it for air passage. The long brass tube is cut down and used for the positive contact pin.
This the base with the insulator and positive pin in place. Note the flattened edge of the insulator lines up with the air hole drilled in the side of the base to allow airflow up to the head.
Also note the pin is offset in the insulator at the bottom. It is dead center at the other end where it makes the positive connection at the head. It's this way only because I can't drill straight
No matter. While it's a bit embarrassing to display my lack of hand drilling skills for the world to see, it works just fine.
Pic of the tank vaped to near empty. Wicking was good to the very end. The wick is made from hemp fiber. This material wicks like crazy, so YMMV if a different wick is used.
This is the atty with the tank refilled. I only fill to the wick level since I assume it would leak out if filled above the wick. Holds about 4ml.
The wick length reaches to the bottom of the tank, and fits loosely through the wick holes of the atty head. Coil is a 7 wrap 28ga Kanthal 5/64 ID micro. Came out to 1.5 ohms. Need to make a new coil with another wrap or two to get this around 2 ohms for best use in the BB.
Surprisingly, there has been no juice popping into mouth syndrome. So it would appear the base could be made a little longer to get the coil higher up in the tank for more capacity, and even warmer vape. Now this is with a horizontal coil. Next tank gets a vertical, so we'll see how that works in this set up.
Last blurry pic is the top of the atty. Note the stem is the same length of the outer tubing. If the base is made longer raising the head height, the stem will need to be cut down. Not a problem at all, just an observation.
This set up is a nice variation of the original. The biggest advantage is consistency. The bottom coil can sometimes be tricky to get just right to prevent flooding or dry hits. This set up is more forgiving, and has zero dry hits, or flooding. Now if I can successfully get a vertical working in here, this may become my favorite.
Two minor disadvantages are that it hold less juice, and has to be installed in the tank in two pieces.
Juice capacity is generally a wash VS the bottom coil. I usually refill my bottom coils when about halfway to prevent flooding anyway, so time till refill is about the same.
In order to get the wick into the tank, I let the wicks hang down from the head, and push the base in. Otherwise the wick would get caught between the tube and O-rings. Then I mate the top stem to the head from the top. Really not to bad, though a little tricky the first time.
AWESOME Big Screen D! Glad it worked out for you and really happy I was wrong about it popping hot ejuice at you.....hahaha. You did a great job finishing it up. Hell, I can't drill straight either...haha.
One thought about the refill quantity. I realize you made the wick thin since it was long and had to fit it in tank (and horizontal coil), but how about doing the same thing, except packing more wick just inside the coil area when dong the vertical coil. Since we don't get leaking back through the tube with a bottom coil with properly packed wick around the coil, stands to reason the top coil would also benefit.
Nicely done! Hope all are having a happy Thanksgiving.
One thought about the refill quantity. I realize you made the wick thin since it was long and had to fit it in tank (and horizontal coil), but how about doing the same thing, except packing more wick just inside the coil area when dong the vertical coil. Since we don't get leaking back through the tube with a bottom coil with properly packed wick around the coil, stands to reason the top coil would also benefit.
Nicely done! Hope all are having a happy Thanksgiving.
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