Evolv-ing Thread

[mikepetro]

I recently went to a swanky restaurant in Winston-Salem and had a GREAT meal. It was kind of creepy looking around though. This was in the old tobacco warehouse district and most warehouses have been converted to lofts and shops. I looked around and saw this huge infrastructure that was built by tobacco. Kind of creepy actually.

Danville, Richmond, etc is the same way. Creeps me out a bit when I patronize one of the new foody spots.

I cant blame BT for my addiction. By the time I started it was the 60s and it was pretty much known that the stuff was real bad. I had to be "cool" and did it anyway. Cant blame BT for that.

 

[Steamer861]

You can blame them for all the Dirty Under handed tricks to keep you smoking!

 

[BillW50]

Teen smoking is down and teen vaping is up. Take away vaping and I bet you any money that teen smoking goes up. Exactly what BT wants.

 

[BillW50]

Thats too bad Bill! Set that girl straight! None of my kids friends smoke, a lot vape but not a one that smokes

I wish. I only see her like 2 minutes every 2 years.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

I recently went to a swanky restaurant in Winston-Salem and had a GREAT meal. It was kind of creepy looking around though. This was in the old tobacco warehouse district and most warehouses have been converted to lofts and shops. I looked around and saw this huge infrastructure that was built by tobacco. Kind of creepy actually.

Danville, Richmond, etc is the same way. Creeps me out a bit when I patronize one of the new foody spots.

I cant blame BT for my addiction. By the time I started it was the 60s and it was pretty much known that the stuff was real bad. I had to be "cool" and did it anyway. Cant blame BT for that.

When I was a kid I spent a lot of summers in the Boone area. While not as prominent in the mountains, I remember several family members grew tobacco and my grandfather (actually great uncle but that's a different story) would have it hanging in the attic of the millhouse along with ham curing.

 

[mikepetro]

When I was a kid I spent a lot of summers in the Boone area. While not as prominent in the mountains, I remember several family members grew tobacco and my grandfather (actually great uncle but that's a different story) would have it hanging in the attic of the millhouse along with ham curing.

I know Boone well. Lots of pottery going on there now.

This whole region (the Piedmont) used to be dominated by tobacco in one way or another. Lots of money was made by BT. Given their lies and the essential vulture-istic nature of their business model, it is quite mind boggling. They really are akin to legal Drug Pushers. Nonetheless, most of the folks below retirement age knew better when they started, we have to own that, just as I will always own my right to vape - regardless of regulations (which are also vulture-istic).

 

[BillW50]

Is that substantiated somehow? I would love to quote that, but only if it is fact.

I found it, Jai Haze got the story wrong (1:12 in the live video). The story:

Brenda Fitzgerald, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, resigned Wednesday morning after Politico reported that she bought stocks in a tobacco company after being tapped to lead the public health agency.​

Trump's CDC director resigns after reports she bought tobacco stock after taking over the agency

But that was a year and a half ago.

 

[BillW50]

The UK predicts smoking will be gone there by 2030, thanks to electronic cigarettes.

I got this wrong, sorry. The UK wants smoking gone by 2030.

I highly doubt it! Tobacco is a sinking ship! Who wants to get on a sinking ship?

Listen to this. Many states wanted the money from the tobacco bonds right away. So they cashed them in early. Now cigarette sales are down and they don't have enough money to cover what they owe on the bonds. So the states are doing everything they can to increase cigarette sales. So how can they increase cigarette sales? By demonizing vaping.

 

[SlickWilly]

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[SlickWilly]

I highly doubt Pres Trump decide to implement a flavor ban then picked up the phone, bought tobacco stocks, this stinks of fake news. Anything to cast a negative story on him, ask yourself why they are trying so hard to get rid of Trump?

We'll all find out, I'd say within the next year it will come to light. As I said, people are waking up and it's not just about Trump or vaping bans, we have been "thought controlled" (controlled narratives) on almost every aspect of our lives for decades, well even longer then that, people are connecting dots and waking up.

It's all about power, control and wealth. And they don't give a damn about you, me or our families, we are just pawns on a chessboard. Divided we are weak, united we are strong. Thank God we have a constitution, rule of law and some good people who are sick and tired of the games being played.

 

[BillW50]

My quick notes on this video. I'm sure there are errors and mistakes, but maybe some are interested.

Inside the Minds #29: Our Final Hoorah, Or Is It? Ft. Dash, Grim and Vic and Guest

0:01 Start
0:02 Introductions
0:04 7 deaths so far
0:12 UK legalized medical THC, but red tape you can't get it
0:14 Removing pods the answer?
0:15 Kids don't vape because of flavors, they vape for the nicotine buzz
0:19 50mg is high and found in JUUL pods
0:20 Vaping 95% is safer than cigarettes
0:23 JUUL is illegal in the UK (higher than 20mg)
0:24 JUUL is sending secret shoppers in and reporting vape shops for underage sales when they are not - they're mad at vape shops that won't carry them
0:25 JUUL is not our friend
0:26 You can put anything you want into an open system
0:27 3rd party refilling devices for JUUL pods
0:30 Clone JUULs
0:38 JUUL refillables
0:39 Dank Vapes (illegal company?)
0:43 Canada with moldy weed
0:44 Altria owns tobacco, insurance, and cannabis (8/28)
Vaping, cannabis and, yes, life insurance — the Philip Morris and Altria merger talks are about more than cigarettes
0:45 Altria owns 35% of JUUL
0:50 RJR got in and out of vaping
0:51 JUUL is ok with the flavor ban
0:51 You can never ban cigarettes in America
0:53 Cigarettes are FDA approve
0:54 VUSE
0:55 Vape vending machines in the UK
0:55 Kids are going to do what kids do
0:56 Smoking was market towards kids - Flintstones and Winstons
0:58 America is now saying vaping isn't healthy
0:58 Big Pharma losing money on nicotine
1:01 VA
1:02 Jai told dr he quit smoking, but bad since he is vaping
1:06 Willow says US has best medical
1:07 Jai disagrees with Willow
1:09 India and China are anti-vaping, now America
1:11 US could cure AIDS, but won't
1:13 Trump buys tobacco stocks (wrong)
Trump's CDC director resigns after reports she bought tobacco stock after taking over the agency
1:19 Nine states planning on hurting vaping so far since flavor ban
1:23 37 million people live in Canada and 39 million in California
1:26 JUUL tried to get Dash to sell JUUL
1:27 JUUL retail store in Canada
1:29 JUUL Android App to unlock device and Apple refused anything tobacco
1:33 JUUL popular with ex-smokers because of ease of use
1:35 Governor Cuomo admits to liking Captain Crunch
1:37 San Francisco wants people smoking again
1:39 CA, MI, and NY are major vape hubs
1:40 Selling just a VG/PG bottle carries a 10% vape tax in NJ
1:44 Vape shops in hospitals in the UK
1:46 UK wants smoking gone by 2030
1:49 Scott Bonner? / Daniel Henschel / Leaford / early reviewers
Daniel Henschel
1:52 CDC scared people away from vaping
1:53 MSA money / TLDR / Agreement between BT and the states
1:54 MI got 2.8 billion dollars in settlements in 2018
1:55 States cashed in on tobacco bonds and now smoking is down, they are in trouble
1:56 Map of states that owe for tobacco bonds
https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/tbcbonds-statemap
2:01 States can't default on bonds, they need tobacco sales
2:01 2010 FDA seized shipments from China
2:02 Vape regulated by pharma or tobacco, ruled as we were better off under tobacco
2:05 UK planning to split tobacco and vaping
2:05 Germany ignores 2ml TPD tank capacity
2:11 Plugging your own products (Vic, etc)
2:13 Oct 31 UK is out of the EU
2:?? Greg Conley
2:23 It's bad if you have to disable comments
2:24 You can't get liquid pneumonia from vaping
2:25 Kids will say it was vaping instead of what they were really using
2:26 Do drug tests on kids who get sick from vaping
2:30 Flies in jar with vape and with smoke
2:33 Danielle Jones - Truth of nicotine movie
2:35 To get rid of a black market by legalizing and regulating
2:38 Ben Shapiro
2:41 Some flavors shouldn't be heated
2:42 No vaper with popcorn lung
2:48 Some flavors maybe dangerous to vape
2:49 Willow's channel is wjwwillow
2:51 Nothing good for you tastes good
2:51 edible panties (ban flavored?)
2:56 Jai Haze Twitter account just hacked?

 

[SlickWilly]

On a sad note, my wife came home in tears last night, a lady who worked on her staff passed away and my wife is feeling she's to blame. Kind of a long story, my daughter has been getting a lot of relief using CBC oil she picks up at a local health store and she's been trying to get me to try it for my spine pain, problems is it's expensive and I just won't spend over $100 and a month on that stuff just to see if it will help. My wife never heard of this CBC oil before, but seeing how it's helped my daughter she recommended it to this lady who worked on her staff, well that lady contracted a reaction to it which put her in the hospital. They had this lady in the burn unit, she had red blisters all over her body, she lost the battle today and my wife feels terrible, she's taking it very hard. After she's had time to calm down I'll find out the name of this medical condition this lady had and let you know, "Steven's" something, I didn't want to ask again because she was so upset.

Just be careful what you buy out there, when my wife told me this I was shocked, I instantly thought about these people who became ill from vaping these CBC or THC products. "Seems" to be a sudden rash of problems with CBC and THC related products, I have to wonder, is something is going on? Something we'll find out down the road? The scary thing is this happened suddenly and quickly with this lady, be careful folks! If you've been using a product for a long time without problems that's one thing, but I'd be careful about trying any unknown product new to you, at least for the time being.

ETA: This oil I'm talking about is and was NOT vaped, it's an oral oil you drip on your tongue or (I think) you can mix in a drink or with food, my daughter drips it on her tongue.

 

[tiburonfirst]

 

[BillW50]

 

[dwcraig1]

 

[BillW50]

I highly doubt Pres Trump decide to implement a flavor ban then picked up the phone, bought tobacco stocks, this stinks of fake news. Anything to cast a negative story on him, ask yourself why they are trying so hard to get rid of Trump?

What's weird is that Trump was in support of vaping back in 2017. Now in 2019 he has sold us out. Somebody got to him. He warns against fake news and now he is falling for it.

 

[awsum140]

Willie, the first thing that came to mind was "if one drop is good, a tablespoon is better". That could have easily been the problem. Not saying it was with no evidence, but should certainly be considered. Along with that is the quality, and suitability, of the product for human consumption, even in drop sized portions.

 

[CMD-Ky]

That live chat above, brought out that Trump bought millions of dollars worth of Tobacco stock just before he announced the flavor ban.

But is it true?

 

[CMD-Ky]

...The younger generation is smarter than we Were!

And if you don't believe it, just ask them. They may, if you are lucky, proudly show you their participation trophy.

 

[tiburonfirst]

Willie, the first thing that came to mind was "if one drop is good, a tablespoon is better". That could have easily been the problem. Not saying it was with no evidence, but should certainly be considered. Along with that is the quality, and suitability, of the product for human consumption, even in drop sized portions.

not necessarily - an allergy comes to mind, at least for me and until there's further research we won't know.

But is it true?

nope, it was somebody in his administration