She oughta pull those stockings or leggings up though, Tibs.
I use 28 and 26 gauge in both Ti and SS. All perform well. I usually buy a few rolls so the shipping gets inconsequential. Shipping time is generally under five days, more like three, and I'm in Mount Holly.
Paranoia strikes deep....Keep in mind that Ti oxide doesn't form at temperatures under about 800C, ~1500F. Also keep in mind that those scary reports are all based on one case where a guy who worked in an atmosphere loaded with Ti oxide for about 20 years and also smoked a pack a day developed lung cancer. Exactly how Ti oxide was the source of his cancer has never been explained. I know, if it's on the web it HAS to be true.
I don't dry burn or even have to heat the wire, from Temco, to remove springiness or residual oils. If I wipe it, with 91% IPA, the tissue stays clean as a whistle. The stuff I got from Unkamen needed a light torching to burn off the excess oils, followed by wiping with a scrub pad and IPA, followed by multiple wipes on a clean paper towel with IPA to get it really clean, way too much trouble to be worthwhile. The Temco comes off the roll, around the mandrel and into the atomizer with no extra work at all.
I use 28 and 26 gauge in both Ti and SS. All perform well. I usually buy a few rolls so the shipping gets inconsequential. Shipping time is generally under five days, more like three, and I'm in Mount Holly.
I don't know about any of that. I just refuse to dry burn or heat the Ti cause of the white residue thing.
So 24 gauge makes it easier to clean the coil with out damaging it.
In theory my Ti coil never gets hotter than 450 degrees, no chance of the residue build up from over heating it
Paranoia strikes deep....Keep in mind that Ti oxide doesn't form at temperatures under about 800C, ~1500F. Also keep in mind that those scary reports are all based on one case where a guy who worked in an atmosphere loaded with Ti oxide for about 20 years and also smoked a pack a day developed lung cancer. Exactly how Ti oxide was the source of his cancer has never been explained. I know, if it's on the web it HAS to be true.
I don't dry burn or even have to heat the wire, from Temco, to remove springiness or residual oils. If I wipe it, with 91% IPA, the tissue stays clean as a whistle. The stuff I got from Unkamen needed a light torching to burn off the excess oils, followed by wiping with a scrub pad and IPA, followed by multiple wipes on a clean paper towel with IPA to get it really clean, way too much trouble to be worthwhile. The Temco comes off the roll, around the mandrel and into the atomizer with no extra work at all.
Were in untested ground so to say,Better safe than sorry! 800 to 1500F could have been easily achieved with the old dry burn like we used to do with Kanthol
If I conceive any threat, I like to error on the safe side.
Back when Dr F said glowing the coils red could alter the metallurgy, I stoped doing it went to spaced coils & used them ever since.
Any little safty tip from trusted sources can't be ignored!
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I definitely agree and got my information from a metallurgist who worked with titanium for almost his entire career. Dull red would indicate a temperature of under ~1200F, well below the point where Ti oxide forms to the point where it can potentially flake off. Keep in mind that the temperatures of vaping 350-550F also cause oxidation in Ti, SS, kanthal and every wire type, for that matter, it just doesn't reach the point where it can easily flake off. That's why contact coils can actually work, that very thin layer of oxidation acts as an insulator between the wraps. We're talking microns in terms of thickness here.
Heating, even low temperature heating, any metal will change its' chemistry. That's why it gets brittle over time when heated so avoiding that if your vaping is impossible from the get go. A perceived threat, based on fact, should be acted on without a doubt, but the facts are the keys, always.
I, personally, don't dry burn any coils. Every time I've tried it I end up with a crappy taste for a while no matter how thoroughly I clean the coil after the dry burn. And I have a set of very small, brass, brushes used for cleaning touch-up spray guns that are small enough to go through coils and in between the wraps. For the cost of the wire, pennies per coil, why bother with a dry burn and the trouble of trying to get it squeaky clean? Yes, I also use the "quench" method, but even then with brushes and IPA I get that crap flavor. Maybe I'm particularly sensitive, taste wise, to it. Beats me, but it cured me of dry burning early on in the good old days of kanthal.
There may be some undesirable byproducts from heating any of the wires, wick materials and liquids we use in vaping but I am convinced that those hazards are far lower than tobacco produces and probably at a level under what we are exposed to sitting in traffic or on an airplane waiting in line for takeoff, but nobody mentions those hazards to create scare tactics to stop those things from happening.
Heating, even low temperature heating, any metal will change its' chemistry. That's why it gets brittle over time when heated so avoiding that if your vaping is impossible from the get go. A perceived threat, based on fact, should be acted on without a doubt, but the facts are the keys, always.
I, personally, don't dry burn any coils. Every time I've tried it I end up with a crappy taste for a while no matter how thoroughly I clean the coil after the dry burn. And I have a set of very small, brass, brushes used for cleaning touch-up spray guns that are small enough to go through coils and in between the wraps. For the cost of the wire, pennies per coil, why bother with a dry burn and the trouble of trying to get it squeaky clean? Yes, I also use the "quench" method, but even then with brushes and IPA I get that crap flavor. Maybe I'm particularly sensitive, taste wise, to it. Beats me, but it cured me of dry burning early on in the good old days of kanthal.
There may be some undesirable byproducts from heating any of the wires, wick materials and liquids we use in vaping but I am convinced that those hazards are far lower than tobacco produces and probably at a level under what we are exposed to sitting in traffic or on an airplane waiting in line for takeoff, but nobody mentions those hazards to create scare tactics to stop those things from happening.
I've had the same Ti build in several attys for months at a time; one for over a year. I dry burn my Ti builds regularly with a custom dna profile or very low wattage. I've never had an off taste from dryburning and cleaning but then I've never used ipa to clean them. I use filtered tap water.
I've tried everything, tap water, reverse osmosis filtered water, IPA, PGA and even canned air. That crappy burned taste shine through for me. For me it's faster and easier just to wind a coil, not a big deal at all and I don't need running water and the sink to do it.
I use TI myself. I love the performance. However, just to throw this out there:
Brandon, more specifically John, from Evolv swears that TI is dangerous. Brandon claims that John has convinced him that it is too dangerous to use.
I have a great deal of respect for John, the guy is a flat out genius. I know they have been doing tons of scientific grade testing on a lot of the parameters involved in vaping. If John says TI is bad stuff, I feel certain he has some data to back it up.
It has me questioning whether I should continue using it or not.
Brandon, more specifically John, from Evolv swears that TI is dangerous. Brandon claims that John has convinced him that it is too dangerous to use.
I have a great deal of respect for John, the guy is a flat out genius. I know they have been doing tons of scientific grade testing on a lot of the parameters involved in vaping. If John says TI is bad stuff, I feel certain he has some data to back it up.
It has me questioning whether I should continue using it or not.
Before I discard Ti I'd like to see the data. If you've followed the titanium thread there are more than one metallurgist over there with extensive experience, at least they state they have extensive experience, with titanium. They've debunked, with science, every report of problems with it. I'd worry about SS more, it contains chromium which isn't a particularly attractive substance.
Wouldn't it be a beatch if all the metals used for TCR have a problem with leaching that disqualifies them from inhaling vapor heated with them? Next up will be separate temperature sensing atomizers, probably more accurate and controllable in the long run, but undoubtedly more expensive and complex.
Wouldn't it be a beatch if all the metals used for TCR have a problem with leaching that disqualifies them from inhaling vapor heated with them? Next up will be separate temperature sensing atomizers, probably more accurate and controllable in the long run, but undoubtedly more expensive and complex.
One year old 24g 2.8mm 7wrap .11 ohm Ti coils. This Aroma V1 is still in my daily rotation. Must have been dry burned umpteen times. Vapes like the day I built it.
Yeah, TI performs well, I am in total agreement. In fact, I have a 1/2 pound spool of the stuff I like it so much.
I just respect John enough that I find myself questioning it. I am with Awsum though, I really want to see some data.
I just respect John enough that I find myself questioning it. I am with Awsum though, I really want to see some data.
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Took the words right out of my mouth. I am way more inclined to believe metallurgists concerning the oxidation, leaching and spalling characteristics of Ti.
Like you, I will continue using Ti until there is sufficient substantiated data to convince me otherwise.
ETA, Kanthal has Chromium in it too.
I get most of my information about metals and their properties from an old NASA acquaintance of my father. His name is Thomas Glasgow and he is literally a rocket scientist. He is one of the foremost authorities in world on the topic of sputtering kanthal-like metals onto Titanium rocket engine exhaust nozzles to raise melting points.
I used to run things past him that I've read about Ti being dangerous. He doesn't believe that it is dangerous for our purposes (when used properly) but has greater concerns about the inhalation of VG, PG, Flavorings and Nicotine.
I used to run things past him that I've read about Ti being dangerous. He doesn't believe that it is dangerous for our purposes (when used properly) but has greater concerns about the inhalation of VG, PG, Flavorings and Nicotine.
Yeah, thats why we need testing done specifically on/for our application. For example, just because food flavorings have been certified as being FDA approved doesnt mean they are safe for heated inhalation. I suspect metals are in the same boat. While a lot may be known about them in other applications, I am not sure how much of that data is transferable to "our" application.
BTW, "a little birdie" has also told me that some pre-made cartridge coils score way off the charts on lead.
I respect what both of you are saying. With all due respect, I believe the illusion of privacy from the government by withholding information on a need to know basis because it is none of their business is just an illusion of privacy. I believe that privacy ship sailed when we first bought cell phones and computers to do our work, pay our bills, check our balances, check our emails & IMs, make calls, search the internet, take pictures and post on social forums. The only anonymity we maintain is that each us us is merely a drop in the ocean of civilization and sorting through all that data in a timely manner is problematic. If we are ever placed under serious investigation, I think every thing we have done in last few years cannot be hidden from that.
I believe right now the NSA can tell Trump within 30 min how many people were at his inauguration by checking metadata for cell phones on the National Mall during the event. Give them a bit more time they can tell him who was there and roughly where they sat. That would be a ridiculous waste of resources for that, but I'm sure it can be done. I also think they can go to the time and place where that limousine was torched and find out which cell phones were in area and easily find the perpetrators from their own videos on their phones and facebook. Will they, probably not.
I agree 1000%, hence why I used the word "illusion".
Nonetheless, as you said, that ship has already sailed. So why in the world would I want to make it even easier for them to track me by voluntarily sacrificing even more of what little shred of privacy I might still have.
Staying under the radar is a good thing in my book.......
Now, if I put my tinfoil hat on, this forum is most likely being monitored, and all of this is searchable to them if they choose to look for given keyword or phrase. I knowingly risk that and still voice my opinion!
I to believe there is a certain amount of risk, probably in all wires.
Ti is by far my favourite, I'm well aware of the residue that happens at high temps.
Thats why I take all the precautions I can!
But to add to what cigatron has all ready mentioned, Ti is very durable as a coil material.
I to have had Ti coils that last for ever and don't seem to degrade at all!
Even with Kanthol my coils would wear out after a certain amount of use.
They would become weakened and fragile.
IMO Ti degrades the least out of wires I have tried.
Now if Dr F said tomorrow it posed more risk that another wire I would drop it like a hot potato.
But till then I'm going to continue using Ti
Ti is by far my favourite, I'm well aware of the residue that happens at high temps.
Thats why I take all the precautions I can!
But to add to what cigatron has all ready mentioned, Ti is very durable as a coil material.
I to have had Ti coils that last for ever and don't seem to degrade at all!
Even with Kanthol my coils would wear out after a certain amount of use.
They would become weakened and fragile.
IMO Ti degrades the least out of wires I have tried.
Now if Dr F said tomorrow it posed more risk that another wire I would drop it like a hot potato.
But till then I'm going to continue using Ti
Agree that Ti is durable, very smooth, predictable and accurate under TC - Much more than SS.I to believe there is a certain amount of risk, probably in all wires.
Ti is by far my favourite, I'm well aware of the residue that happens at high temps.
Thats why I take all the precautions I can!
But to add to what cigatron has all ready mentioned, Ti is very durable as a coil material.
I to have had Ti coils that last for ever and don't seem to degrade at all!
Even with Kanthol my coils would wear out after a certain amount of use.
They would become weakened and fragile.
IMO Ti degrades the least out of wires I have tried.
Now if Dr F said tomorrow it posed more risk that another wire I would drop it like a hot potato.
But till then I'm going to continue using Ti
When I was 10, Pops bought a Honda Z50 MiniTrail for us 5 kids to ride at my Uncle's 2.5 acre wooded property. Beat the hell out of that thing most of my childhood, but it ran like a champ.My first was a '82 Yamaha YZ80 bought used in '83 for $400. Used my paper route money to buy it myself w/o my parents knowing. They weren't too happy about that
Gave it to my nephews when they came of age. Last time I saw them riding it it had a canteen strapped on it for a gas tank. Looked at my Brother in Law and shook my head and decided not to say a word. Some people just don't know how to maintain anything. They destroyed it in no time & ended up discarding it shortly afterward. Shame.
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Reminds me of the old Bultaco I used to have for hunting rabbits in the desert of SoCal.When I was 10, Pops bought a Honda Z50 MiniTrail for us 5 kids to ride at my Uncle's 2.5 acre wooded property. Beat the hell out of that thing most of my childhood, but it ran like a champ.
Gave it to my nephews when they came of age. Last time I saw them riding it it had a canteen strapped on it for a gas tank. Looked at my Brother in Law and shook my head and decided not to say a word. Some people just don't know how to maintain anything. They destroyed it in no time & ended up discarding it shortly afterward.
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