depressing - considering all the forces in the background, some of which i was not familiar with, i imagine we are doomed
depressing - considering all the forces in the background, some of which i was not familiar with, i imagine we are doomed
While it is without a doubt that the FDA has set their sights on vaping, and while they use some pretty strong and threatening sounding language, it is not the doomsday that many fear.
There is an army of lawyers pouring over the regulations on our behalf, there will be lawsuits brought, and items confiscated. I personally am not going to wait and roll the dice and see what happens. We have been given a 90 day warning, and now it is our fault if we are not prepared! It is time to take control of your own destiny and learn to be as self sufficient as possible!
Many, in fact most, of the items we use come from other industries. While the FDA uses a lot heavy language, and is trying to push an "Intended Use" clause through, the fact remains that realistically they wont be able to stop most of the hardware. It will all come down to "what the item is marketed for". Here are some examples:
Ejuice - YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN EJUICE:
Ejuice is comprised of PG, VG, Nicotine, and Flavorings
I am sure the manufacturers will get creative here. For example, a dimmable flashlight is essentially the equivalent of a VV mod. If you are handy, learn to make your own mod. A simple Mod is not difficult to make. Look at youtube and on the DIY forums here, It doesnt have to look like a diamond to work and keep the nico-demon off your back!
Attys:
This is the one item where I dont see any other reasonable intended use other than vaping. Perhaps aromatherapy, I dont know. I am sure the vendors will push the envelope here though. My recommendation is to stock up on a few high quality SS rebuildable atomizers NOW while they can still be had. Learn how to build your own coils and wicks, again it honestly is not hard at all, I could teach my grandmother to do it. A good quality SS atty will last damn near forever with little more than a new wick/coil now and then, and some new o-rings (available everywhere) twice a year.
Wicks:
Koh Gen Do Organic Cotton pads, Rayon, etc will all be available at the local cosmetics store. "Vapin Bacon" might get regulated, but facial pads certainly will not.
Coils:
Kanthal, NI200, TI, etc are all just types of "resistance wire". Applications for resistance wire include heated hoses, heated seats, freeze protection, leak detection, composite curing and many more. You will be able to buy resistance wire all day long, but the FDA might successfully regulate pre-wound Clapton Coils. Again, learn to wrap your own coils!
Batteries:
The FDA specifically cites batteries as being part of an "ENDS" (electronic nicotine delivery system) and therefor subject to regulation. This is the same 18650 used in a ton of flashlights, RC toys, Robotics, and even your Craftsman Drill. The only way they can regulate an 18650 is if it is "marketed" for vape use. There is no way they could regulate Sony VC5s or Samsung 18650s, but they could regulate "VapePower" batteries.
Bottom line is we have been given a 90 day warning. After that 90 days is up who knows what will happpen, but things will definetly change, and not for the better.
Prepare your strategy NOW!
There is an army of lawyers pouring over the regulations on our behalf, there will be lawsuits brought, and items confiscated. I personally am not going to wait and roll the dice and see what happens. We have been given a 90 day warning, and now it is our fault if we are not prepared! It is time to take control of your own destiny and learn to be as self sufficient as possible!
Many, in fact most, of the items we use come from other industries. While the FDA uses a lot heavy language, and is trying to push an "Intended Use" clause through, the fact remains that realistically they wont be able to stop most of the hardware. It will all come down to "what the item is marketed for". Here are some examples:
Ejuice - YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN EJUICE:
Ejuice is comprised of PG, VG, Nicotine, and Flavorings
- PG and VG are readily available to the cosmetics market, food industry, and many others. As long as the product isnt labeled as being "intended" for vaping they wont be able to stop its availability.
- Flavorings. Most of the flavors used in ejuice are actually artificial food flavors anyway, and they will still be sold. Now if your favorite flavor is some "vape" labeled line (like VZ) then you might want to stock up. Brands like Capella and LorAnn have long been established as food flavorings, and many people use it in ejuice. Just make sure to get the water-soluble flavors and not the oil based. Search the DIY forums, there are many other brands. As long as it is used for the food industry the FDA wont be able to stop it.
- Nicotine. This is where the FDA will be able to be the most restrictive. However, please remember that many nicotine suppliers are already FDA approved. Companies like Wizard Labs, eLiq, RTS, and many more already sell USP certified and FDA approved nic. Now, how the FDA might restrict them in the future remains to be seen, but these companies already have an inroad to the licensing process.
I am sure the manufacturers will get creative here. For example, a dimmable flashlight is essentially the equivalent of a VV mod. If you are handy, learn to make your own mod. A simple Mod is not difficult to make. Look at youtube and on the DIY forums here, It doesnt have to look like a diamond to work and keep the nico-demon off your back!
Attys:
This is the one item where I dont see any other reasonable intended use other than vaping. Perhaps aromatherapy, I dont know. I am sure the vendors will push the envelope here though. My recommendation is to stock up on a few high quality SS rebuildable atomizers NOW while they can still be had. Learn how to build your own coils and wicks, again it honestly is not hard at all, I could teach my grandmother to do it. A good quality SS atty will last damn near forever with little more than a new wick/coil now and then, and some new o-rings (available everywhere) twice a year.
Wicks:
Koh Gen Do Organic Cotton pads, Rayon, etc will all be available at the local cosmetics store. "Vapin Bacon" might get regulated, but facial pads certainly will not.
Coils:
Kanthal, NI200, TI, etc are all just types of "resistance wire". Applications for resistance wire include heated hoses, heated seats, freeze protection, leak detection, composite curing and many more. You will be able to buy resistance wire all day long, but the FDA might successfully regulate pre-wound Clapton Coils. Again, learn to wrap your own coils!
Batteries:
The FDA specifically cites batteries as being part of an "ENDS" (electronic nicotine delivery system) and therefor subject to regulation. This is the same 18650 used in a ton of flashlights, RC toys, Robotics, and even your Craftsman Drill. The only way they can regulate an 18650 is if it is "marketed" for vape use. There is no way they could regulate Sony VC5s or Samsung 18650s, but they could regulate "VapePower" batteries.
Bottom line is we have been given a 90 day warning. After that 90 days is up who knows what will happpen, but things will definetly change, and not for the better.
Prepare your strategy NOW!
OK, out of the box, after the 1st build, I gotta say that I like the Aromamizer V2 better than the Supreme. So much so that I ordered 5 more of them yesterday, along with a spare deck, and some spare tank glass.
It is like the original but with a better AFC.
It is like the original but with a better AFC.
Did you order the upgrade kits or whole new atty's?
My 2 Supremes from FT got lost
FT is willing to refund my money ,only after 60 days.I bought 1 here from a Canadian site scheduled delivery is tomorrow, finally going to get to try a Supreme for my self.
Happy Mothers Day to all the Mom's
Whole attys, where do I find these upgrade kits?Did you order the upgrade kits or whole new atty's?
My 2 Supremes from FT got lost
I bought 1 here from a Canadian site scheduled delivery is tomorrow, finally going to get to try a Supreme for my self.
Happy Mothers Day to all the Mom's
I have 6 of the original, and 6 of the V2s. Looks like the spare decks and tanks will fit either. I figure that with care, I should easily be able to get 2 years out of each atty if need be.
That effectively checks off the last item on my 20 year plan.....
A dozen spare DNA200 boards - check
Ability to create my own Enclosure - check
2 Liters of 99.9 nic - check
A dozen quality SS attys - check
Lipos, PG, VG, flavorings, wire, and rayon will always be available.
Smoking again is NOT an option, even if the FDA pulls the rug out......
It really is ironic though, the FDA is making it easier to smoke tobacco than to have an effective vape!!!!
That effectively checks off the last item on my 20 year plan.....
A dozen spare DNA200 boards - check
Ability to create my own Enclosure - check
2 Liters of 99.9 nic - check
A dozen quality SS attys - check
Lipos, PG, VG, flavorings, wire, and rayon will always be available.
Smoking again is NOT an option, even if the FDA pulls the rug out......
It really is ironic though, the FDA is making it easier to smoke tobacco than to have an effective vape!!!!
Has anyone here tried Nude Nicotine? I usually get Wizard Lags nic but since I plan on buying enough to choke an elephant I figure I should ask around.
That is what I was looking at. The Nude Armor V2. It is a little higher cost but seems worth it.
$10 you need to open a wholesale account, easy no min order or company checks, I have used them once all went smoothly. Shipping is extra so need 2 tanks to beat FT price.
maybe im being paranoid up here in Canukistan (but we tend to follow the US) so i just make a order of 3 aromamizers from VapeNW. Ive got 2 supremes,4 v1, 2 v2, countless drippers, 5 good mecs a dna200 ( soon hopefully some other evolv products) now some base and Im set.
Just read the whole report. Makes it perfectly clear. Money talks and these Deeming Regulations are about money!
I had thought that I was overdoing it a bit, but maybe I was wrong. Sitting on a dozen Aromamizer V1's, 9 working DNA boxes with 2 more DNA 200's on the shelf. 4 liters of Nic in the freezer, one of those BIG boxes of Rayon and a couple miles of Ti wire. I think I'm pretty well set. And I won't forget about the 5 bottom feeders and RDA's in the storage box.
Probably should have picked up a few of the DNA75's this go around too.
Probably should have picked up a few of the DNA75's this go around too.
Whatever keeps you off the tabaccy, regardless of what the FDA seems to think....I had thought that I was overdoing it a bit, but maybe I was wrong. Sitting on a dozen Aromamizer V1's, 9 working DNA boxes with 2 more DNA 200's on the shelf. 4 liters of Nic in the freezer, one of those BIG boxes of Rayon and a couple miles of Ti wire. I think I'm pretty well set. And I won't forget about the 5 bottom feeders and RDA's in the storage box.
Probably should have picked up a few of the DNA75's this go around too.
^^ what he said^^
Once I got to the bottom feeder stage and realized how easy it was to stay off of tobacco it was easy.
Then DNA's with an Aromamizer happened! it's all good now.
Once I got to the bottom feeder stage and realized how easy it was to stay off of tobacco it was easy.
Then DNA's with an Aromamizer happened! it's all good now.
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