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Really? Okay here goes.

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Yeah well that didn't work so well. :(


Yeah it doesn't really matter (it's just a cosmetic thing). But if it is in Temperature Dominant mode, it would be a pain to lock, hold down up and down buttons and then keep adjusting the power. Why not just adjust the power by up and down buttons alone?

Oh yeah, that is what Power Dominant mode is for. :D
Totally different setting on those screens... :blink:
TD or PD is just a box click. Your wattage was reduced, no preheat etc... Not surprised you got the results you did.
 
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ETA: Sorry for the ultra long post. I'm blamimg it on my new tablet and increased cell signal.:D
First off I love all of what you said as it is great insight. Nor do I disagree with a lot of what you said. And I really, I mean I really appreciate all of this. Commenting on all of this, oh my. Well I'll try.

True, I think most of us have noticed this. Even on a mech mod as the battery discharges a change in flavor profile is noticeable. Seems that dairy and pastry notes have more presence at slightly higher temps than say fruity flavors. Let's say I'm vaping a lemon cheesecake flavor and want to bring out the graham cracker butter crust flavor more, I'd turn up the temp 5 or 10°, whereas if I wanted to allow the lemon to dominate I would turn down the temp a little. Thing is I don't really know what the mixologist was shooting for in the first place so I adjust temp for a pleasureable vape and leave it there. My power setting always gets set higher than needed to reach whatever temp I select.

Bill, there are three reasons I choose to set my power higher than what is required to reach my highest set temp. The first is to minimize splitback (nothing spits like an under powered coil); the faster the temp ramps up the less chance of spiback. The second is to reduce coil gunking. The third is excessive atty temp.

More on coil gunking. An under powered coil or one that takes a longer time to reach optimum vaporization temp will gunk the coil faster, much faster with certain ingredients like sweeteners. Same goes for cooling off the coil post vape; I always continue my draw for a second after releasing the fire button.

More on hot attys. An under powered coil or one that takes longer to heat up to optimum vaporization temp will get hot faster because the larger vaporized droplets of juice (not just spiback) cannot be cooled as readily by incoming air. These larger droplets will hit the inside of the atty and transfer their heat into the atty surfaces. However, once up to optimum vaporization temp the droplets are smaller, like a super fine mist and can be cooled quite easily by incoming air so your atty won't heat up near as fast.

So to use "temp regulation" most effectively (translated no spitback, long wick life and cooler attys) I have found that the power must be set higher than needed to reach temp but not so high as to outrun the chipset's ability to stop temp overshoot and also to produce a nice power roll off as it nears set temp.

More on power roll off. My understanding is that there is an algorithm built in to temp control to predict how fast a coil will reach set temp once it has heated past a certain percentage of set temp. I'm not sure what that percentage is but it is evident on device monitor that the board rolls off the power before the coil reaches the set temp (a power curve if you will). If you reduce the power setting the curve gets wider before reaching set temp, if you increase power the curve gets narrower, if you turn up the power really high the curve becomes virtually nonexistant and can even cause a slight overshoot in temp. On some finicky dnas using excessive power in combination with low tcr wire can even kick you out of tc.

More on power curves for flavor. In this discussion have we even considered when vaporization actually starts in the heating process? TCR curves and power curves are great things to ponder but if we consider that we're probably not even producing vapor at less than 300° and not much vapor even at 350° it stands to reason that anything happening below those temps is meaningless. The temp range I focus my attention on is 390-440° where likely 95% of my vapor is being produced.

I'd like to stress that I'm not trying to push my style of tc on anyone. There is nothing wrong with using tc in a different way.
Yes I too used to set the power higher than needed for TC too. Splitback really wasn't a problem here, but I get that. Which minimizes coil gunking? Huh? If the coil and wick stays at 70F what coil gunking? Even at 250F I still see no problems and the coil and wick should last 100 years or more. Somewhere around 350F and now gunking starts to happen. Now your talking. But virtually nothing taste satisfying at 350F or below. A side note, almost all food cooked at 350F or below isn't generally good either. This is somewhat magical.

Gunking? Well maybe I am dumb or something, but it seems to me 4 years of vaping that gunking gets worst with the the higher the temperature. The same thing happens with cooking too. So how does higher temperatures reduce gunking? I am not experiencing this here and how is that possible?
 
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First off I love all of what you said as it is great insight. Nor do I disagree with a lot of what you said. And I really, I mean I really appreciate all of this. Commenting on all of this, oh my. Well I'll try.


Yes I too used to set the power higher than needed for TC too. Splitback really wasn't a problem here, but I get that. Which minimizes coil gunking? Huh? If the coil and wick stays at 70F what coil gunking? Even at 250F I still see no problems and the coil and wick should last 100 years or more. Somewhere around 350F and now gunking starts to happen. Now your talking. But virtually nothing taste satisfying at 350F or below. A side note, almost all food cooked at 350F or below isn't generally good either. This is somewhat magical.

Gunking? Well maybe I am dumb or something, but it seems to me 4 years of vaping that gunking gets worst with the the higher the temperature. The same thing happens with cooking too. So how does higher temperatures reduce gunking? I am not experiencing this here and how is that possible?

First off I never said that the higher temp you run the less gunk you get. I said the less time your coil spends getting to optimum vaporizing temp the less it will gunk. Anyway, why not test me on it?

You probably have a good handle on how many mils you can vape on given atty/juice combo, right? So put a new wick in it with that juice, turn your power up to quickly reach your set temp and give it a whirl. Like maybe with that atty you graphed earlier you could set the power to 15w, set temp to 435 or 440.
 

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Even on a mech mod as the battery discharges a change in flavor profile is noticeable.

Yup, there is a bit of difference :( Same with BF'ing as the wick drys the hit changes also. Thats the nice thing about a tank & a Reg mod, you can get that consistent hit for a little while longer.
 

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dont mean to .... in buuut , i need some help with a 75c not acting right, says check battery and 0% no matter what, new battery, plugged into USB,new theme, restored defaults, all have been done with no lasting success, there were a couple times popping the battery in and out it would register on the meter a percent% but not fire the atty and say check battery, and eventually go back to 0%, any way to fix this?
 
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dont mean to .... in buuut , i need some help with a 75c not acting right, says check battery and 0% no matter what, new battery, plugged into USB,new theme, restored defaults, all have been done with no lasting success, there were a couple times popping the battery in and out it would register on the meter a percent% but not fire the atty and say check battery, and eventually go back to 0%, any way to fix this?
What make and model mod?
Is the battery fitting properly against both contacts of the battery holder/sled?
If you are able to disassemble it far enough to see if the wires that connect from the battery sled contacts to the board are still connected....that would be what I would do first if possible, otherwise

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What make and model mod?
Is the battery fitting properly against both contacts of the battery holder/sled?
If you are able to disassemble it far enough to see if the wires that connect from the battery sled contacts to the board are still connected....that would be what I would do first if possible, otherwise

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Therion BF , tore it apart everything is in order wire wise, little bit o' moist, not much
 
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didn't we have some in here trying out pods who might be able to help? :?:
Hey Snails,
any suggestions on nic salt? just received a couple of pods from a contest and know they work better with nic salts than regular juice.
any help appreciated .
 

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I'm surprised how fast the battery meter drops on the 75C compared to the regular 75. Both mods have a Molicell INR-20700A's in them with the iJoy 20700 CSV loaded.

The 75C is set at 55W under Replay with a Warmth of 3 and the 75 is at 65W/450F no pre or punch. I can watch the percentage drop with each vape on the 75C, it's like the gas gauge on my old Fleetwood Brougham with it's 472cid.

I should pick up a pair of 40T's for these squonkers.
 
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i ordered a new 75c to put in Therion, there was no useful info in the Evolv Forum, i wiped it down , tried every combo possible, that board was not going to come back to me, it was older than a year and i wasnt the first owner, hows there shipping time? (Evolv):vapor:
 
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I always thought the power vs temperature dominant modes just flipped the default adjustment method (Watts or Temp).

If a build won't vape perfectly in power mode then there is no point running it under TC. I test a new build first to find it's optimal power level and then switch it over to TC. The power level used for the testing stays the same it's just the temp that gets fine tuned. I never understood the the YiHi reasoning behind having the Joules adjustment as primary, I never adjust wattage when a build is working in TC, or temperature for that matter.
 

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I'm surprised how fast the battery meter drops on the 75C compared to the regular 75. Both mods have a Molicell INR-20700A's in them with the iJoy 20700 CSV loaded.

The 75C is set at 55W under Replay with a Warmth of 3 and the 75 is at 65W/450F no pre or punch. I can watch the percentage drop with each vape on the 75C, it's like the gas gauge on my old Fleetwood Brougham with it's 472cid.

I should pick up a pair of 40T's for these squonkers.

@Baditude had posted some stats on the 75 vs the 75c and it is why I stayed with the 75's
 

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FT must be putting demented bar codes on their shipments or something, my packages (3) plus the last one received seem to want to sight see the country before making it to their destination.
Maybe this tariff situation is taking it's toll on the shipping employees by over working them.
 

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