Evolv-ing Thread

[kiba]

You would think that, but it's not always the case, like the hussar is one of the best wicking atty's I have, as long as the design is sound the wicks stay wet, and a lot of times it can work better bc a design like that generates more vacuum forcing more juice up the wick, but I have this theory about wick length, i think it affects a lot of things like flavor, how much gunk builds up, wicking etc.

I've never gotten along with any atty's that use long cotton wicks.

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[Steamer861]

I don't think the length of the wick is that important! In my +'s I lift the coil way up to hit the air just right, The wick tails are long real long, they wick fine. The Rose V2 has a tiny chamber, the wick is really short, it wicks fine to. If we go back to the K-F lite + that was an atty that was hard to wick! You had to get the amount & length just rite! I remember a ton of people having trouble getting it just right.
I think it's the amount of wick exposed to the juice that matters more! A tiny juice channel is like a bottle neck, the + & the rose V2 have a lot of wick in the juice. the old K-F lite+ didn't
I have a Mini fogger, same style wicking as an old K-F. It would dry hit like crazy
I had to dremel the juice ports out to get it to wick properly, again very little wick exposed to the juice.
The Pharaoh has a huge juice window, it will flood if you don't put enough wick in it
I think the more wick exposed to the juice the better it's going to wick

I had a good look at the pics of the "insider" & can see a few mods that I will probably do to it.
The Air flow holes in the base could drilled out bigger & the chimney also, this should get more Air flow
Even the juice channels could be made bigger if need be.

 

[tiburonfirst]

 

[kiba]

I think the kfl had little tiny channels though, it's not great for anything over 50/50 but that design is technically sound as long as the channels are big enough to keep the tails sitting in juice, like, the hussar uses that same concept but the channels are big enough that there's always a pool of juice for them to sit in so it doesn't matter that the ends of the wicks aren't poking through into the tank. Kf5, the concept is good except the channels are long tubes that sometimes get a bubble or something in them and that causes it to stop flowing properly on one side.

Btw the amount of air that can get in through the side if the billet box isn't all that much so that's why a lot of these atty's for it are mtl, and the boro tanks constantly build up vacuum with no where for it to go so I think that's why most of them have smallish channels, otherwise it's probably flood. That said the insider has the loosest draw of the bunch by far.

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[laurie9300]

I really can't say any thing about performance yet! But the exocet looks like it would wick better from a design stand point, to me. The insider looks more like a Kay-Fun style RBA were the Exocet looks more like a Taifun/ Rose / Hurricane wicking setup. IMO the 2 wick ends in the juice are going to work better than juice going up the channels

You are spot on with your comparisons. I have the Exocet in one, and the insider in the other. I don't have any wicking problems with the insider, but it is a little tighter draw than the Exocet, I would call it a very restricted lung hit, that's with the air flow control not fitted.

 

[SlickWilly]

Cover your eyes tibs, the guys are starting to compair the size of their wicks.

I think there are a lot a variables with wicking, too many to point to one size fits all or one atty is best. How thick the juice is, temperature, quick changes in temperature, the bend of the tail, thickness of the tail, how tight the coil is stuffed, type of material used (some are even treated), and heck, even altitude and I'm sure there are other factors I haven't thought of.

These mizers you guys sold me on long ago, I think are the best atty I've found yet and the reason I don't look further, I have no desire to buy and try others. I use rayon, I think it wicks far better the cotton, I do thin the tails but not as drastically are recommended. These mizer wick very well, the coil is always wet, in fact they are always on the verge of leaking, sometimes they do it I don't get enough tail over the juice holes and let them lay on their sides. But that's an easy fix, I just snip a very tiny tuff of rayon, lift the tails and lay the tuff under them, then back to vaping. My 2 cents.

 

[Steamer861]

Btw the amount of air that can get in through the side if the billet box isn't all that much so that's why a lot of these atty's for it are mtl, and the boro tanks constantly build up vacuum with no where for it to go so I think that's why most of them have smallish channels, otherwise it's probably flood. That said the insider has the loosest draw of the bunch by far.

Again Thanks for the input
I have noticed the 3 Air Slots on the side of the BB.

From looking at the pics online it appears the Exocet has a bigger hole thru the chimney & bigger holes in the base I'm assuming this is why their saying it is more of a restricted lung hit?

Also from the pics online it looks like the Insider has 2 chimneys & 2 air flow rings. Even the larger one looks like it has smaller air holes in the base & a way smaller chimney hole, also assuming this why their saying it's more like a MTL. This is were I think some improvements can be made? Back in the day modding every thing was normal

 

[Steamer861]

Cover your eyes tibs, the guys are starting to compair the size of their wicks.

True enough! But were discussing fundamentals, not the details of wicking

These mizers you guys sold me on long ago, I think are the best atty I've found yet and the reason I don't look further, I have no desire to buy and try others.

I'm going to agree! All thou some minor improvements have been made with the Supremes, especially the +
IMO you would be hard pressed to find atty's that perform better than the OG Mizer

 

[SlickWilly]

True enough! But were discussing fundamentals, not the details of wicking



I'm going to agree! All thou some minor improvements have been made with the Supremes, especially the +
IMO you would be hard pressed to find atty's that perform better than the OG Mizer

I owe you guys a great debt of gratitude for these mizers and who ever it was that first brought them to attention in that thread a great, great deal! Who was it that first mentioned them? Anywho, I watched you guys talk about them for months, following with interest, I was looking for something better to get me to the next level, finally I ordered a couple and I haven't looked back. Thanks guys!

 

[mikepetro]

I owe you guys a great debt of gratitude for these mizers and who ever it was that first brought them to attention in that thread a great, great deal! Who was it that first mentioned them? Anywho, I watched you guys talk about them for months, following with interest, I was looking for something better to get me to the next level, finally I ordered a couple and I haven't looked back. Thanks guys!

It was Steamer, blame it all on him.........

 

[mikepetro]

 

[cigatron]

Cover your eyes tibs, the guys are starting to compair the size of their wicks.

I think there are a lot a variables with wicking, too many to point to one size fits all or one atty is best. How thick the juice is, temperature, quick changes in temperature, the bend of the tail, thickness of the tail, how tight the coil is stuffed, type of material used (some are even treated), and heck, even altitude and I'm sure there are other factors I haven't thought of.

These mizers you guys sold me on long ago, I think are the best atty I've found yet and the reason I don't look further, I have no desire to buy and try others. I use rayon, I think it wicks far better the cotton, I do thin the tails but not as drastically are recommended. These mizer wick very well, the coil is always wet, in fact they are always on the verge of leaking, sometimes they do it I don't get enough tail over the juice holes and let them lay on their sides. But that's an easy fix, I just snip a very tiny tuff of rayon, lift the tails and lay the tuff under them, then back to vaping. My 2 cents.

Agreed, there's a lot of physics principles at work in an atomizer. I'm familiar with the physics but not an expert on any of them, this I can say with confidence though, if we think of juice flow to our wicks in terms of how easy it is for air to enter the tank we are miles ahead in understanding how RTAs work. A quick study on how viscosity is measured and the Bernoulli principle will prove that juice flow to the wick is really all about airflow through the device and it's relationship to air bubbles entering into the tank.

 

[Steamer861]

It was Steamer, blame it all on him.........

Guilty! I remember when I first got the OG Miser, I couldn't put it down.
I was amazed how it didn't leak with the coil exposed thru the big holes in the side

 

[mikepetro]

Agreed, there's a lot of physics principles at work in an atomizer. I'm familiar with the physics but not an expert on any of them, this I can say with confidence though, if we think of juice flow to our wicks in terms of how easy it is for air to enter the tank we are miles ahead in understanding how RTAs work. A quick study on how viscosity is measured and the Bernoulli principle will prove that juice flow to the wick is really all about airflow through the device and it's relationship to air bubbles entering into the tank.

Yep, when I get a little bubble after every hit, its a damn good sign it will be a good build.

 

[Flavored]

But man, those things guzzle juice. I'd have to put claptons in to get the flavor that approaches the Aqua 2's (way more air even throttled down on those things), and it'd run through the juice twice as fast. It's a good tank, don't get me wrong, and I still will use them when I want to sit outside and exhale clouds for 2-3 minutes after each hit.

 

[SlickWilly]

It was Steamer, blame it all on him.........

OMG, I should have known!! Duh....... Well thanks steamer!

 

[SlickWilly]

Agreed, there's a lot of physics principles at work in an atomizer. I'm familiar with the physics but not an expert on any of them, this I can say with confidence though, if we think of juice flow to our wicks in terms of how easy it is for air to enter the tank we are miles ahead in understanding how RTAs work. A quick study on how viscosity is measured and the Bernoulli principle will prove that juice flow to the wick is really all about airflow through the device and it's relationship to air bubbles entering into the tank.

LoL, every time I hear the word "viscosity" I think back to the 90's tv show called northern exposure, loved that show.

See if this doesn't ring a bell.


"viscosity"

 

[mikepetro]

Great show!

Right up there with MASH and Boston Legal in terms of my all time faves.

 

[SlickWilly]

Wonderful day here today, sunny, 73 deg (F) with a light breeze. Yesterday it was in the 60's, I saw a small group of geese heading south to the pond, summer's winding down already. Love this time of year but I hate what follows. So much to get done around here before it turns cold, I should be working today but I have a case of the lazy .....

 

[awsum140]

Hey, Willie, a trick I use for wicking the 'mizer is to install the coils, wick them up, then remove the build deck from the base and trim them most of the way. It's far easier to get the length right that way without that base ring in the way.

And, as usual, it's all Steamer's fault!