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probably better than satellite in terms of latency, though it's a trade off in bandwidth
it sure is ;) and i don't have to look at another ugly dish :D as to bandwidth
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''How fast is Hughesnet Gen 5?
HughesNet Gen5 is faster than ever – 25 Mbps download and 3Mbps Upload – and is available to anyone, anywhere, coast-to-coast. HughesNet Gen5 is faster than ever – 25 Mbps download and 3Mbps Upload – and is available to anyone, anywhere, coast-to-coast. HughesNet® Gen5 is the 5th generation of satellite Internet.''
 

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and the pricing is atrocious! for comparison the att home phone and internet (50 gigs) is 60 bucks/month

HughesNet Gen5 plans and pricing
Data Plans Price Upload Speed
10 GB $49.99/mo 3 Mbps
20 GB $69.99/mo 3 Mbps
50 GB $99.99/mo 3 Mbps
50 GB $129.99/mo 3 Mbps
 

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and the pricing is atrocious! for comparison the att home phone and internet (50 gigs) is 60 bucks/month

HughesNet Gen5 plans and pricing
Data Plans Price Upload Speed
10 GB $49.99/mo 3 Mbps
20 GB $69.99/mo 3 Mbps
50 GB $99.99/mo 3 Mbps
50 GB $129.99/mo 3 Mbps

Not to mention actual speeds range from 25%-40% of advertised speeds within 2 months of install; as observed with our Gen1,Gen 2 and Gen 3 setups.
 

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That speed limit applies to both cable and fiber as well
Yes it does. But just the trip up to the sat is longer than any round-trip on earth, and then your request has to come back down, plus the reply also has to go up and back down, and all of that (500ms best case) gets added to whatever the remaining trip through the fiber on the earth is.

Half a second is not really that bad though as long as the bandwidth is good... right, I mean what does she need a really low latency for?
Many web pages aren't just static content any more. What she's got from AT&T isn't "really low latency". I would call that "fair", while 500+ ms is just plain awful. Personally, I would rather have a low-latency connection with less bandwidth that a high bandwidth connection with a guaranteed 500+ ms of latency. No, I'm not a gamer, I just run my business remotely via a VPN and have seen first hand how much an increase in latency affects things, regardless how much bandwidth is available.

Anyway, since the bandwidth and data caps on her AT&T plan are comparable, but the latency is an order of magnitude lower, and the cost for the same monthly GB allotment is less than half, the AT&T plan is by far a better deal.
 

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and the pricing is atrocious! for comparison the att home phone and internet (50 gigs) is 60 bucks/month

HughesNet Gen5 plans and pricing
Data Plans Price Upload Speed
10 GB $49.99/mo 3 Mbps
20 GB $69.99/mo 3 Mbps
50 GB $99.99/mo 3 Mbps
50 GB $129.99/mo 3 Mbps
gigs? what does that even mean, why do these companies still put these rediculous claims in their data pricing? They are making it sound like they're offering gigabit services, I thought those were actually getting more along the lines of accuracy nowadays... still the cost, is actually better than what I expected to see, that's pretty good actually, I think cable is the best value while fiber is the best bang for your buck, but your not going to see pricing like that when they know they're your only option.

Here's one my buddy posted to a gaming forum I visit regularly(he uses a low-speed dsl for gaming only, & this for everything else) Hughes net gen 5
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Yes it does. But just the trip up to the sat is longer than any round-trip on earth, and then your request has to come back down, plus the reply also has to go up and back down, and all of that (500ms best case) gets added to whatever the remaining trip through the fiber on the earth is.


Many web pages aren't just static content any more. What she's got from AT&T isn't "really low latency". I would call that "fair", while 500+ ms is just plain awful. Personally, I would rather have a low-latency connection with less bandwidth that a high bandwidth connection with a guaranteed 500+ ms of latency. No, I'm not a gamer, I just run my business remotely via a VPN and have seen first hand how much an increase in latency affects things, regardless how much bandwidth is available.

Anyway, since the bandwidth and data caps on her AT&T plan are comparable, but the latency is an order of magnitude lower, and the cost for the same monthly GB allotment is less than half, the AT&T plan is by far a better deal.

In my job anything less than a second is still considered good when propagating data to remote server/work-from-home locations. Tbh the only people who need less than that are online gamers, I don't get why people complain about it who aren't gaming at all...

I guess I'm not seeing how it could be factor much less more important than bandwidth. Like you'd rather spend double the time downloading something vs an extra half-second making the connection? Help me understand that one is it personal preference or something else?
 
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Mine is a lot better than it used to be when I had cable.
I have seen better results at night though, time of day does seem to affect it as I am on the same VLAN as the City Schools and Government Offices.

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What is that? Totally weird numbers there lol
 

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cost for the same monthly GB allotment is less than half, the AT&T plan is by far a better deal.
yup! ;) since that includes the home phone with unlimited long distance and other perks that century link (landline) has extra charges for.
as to my 2 hotspots presently in use i caught 2 excellent plans of unlimited for 50 bucks/month total (depriorization after 22 GB per month each if there is tower congestion which has not happened yet) by checking rv forums ;)
for my purposes i don't see a difference loading web pages and streaming netflix as long as i'm getting 10 mbps in download speeds ;)
 

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I guess I'm not seeing how it could be factor much less more important than bandwidth. Like you'd rather spend double the time downloading something vs an extra half-second making the connection? Help me understand that one is it personal preference or something else?
It depends what you're doing. Sure, if you're moving bulk data around, more bandwidth is better and latency isn't terribly important. But try using a CRM system that intrinsically has to make lots of database queries to do what it does, where the results of those queries are just small records and let me know which is more important.
 

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I actually went the other way & switched from from fiber to cable, fios tried to pull some crap after a year was up & their guys were trying to be smart assess w/ me on the phone. The numbers aren't as good but for half the cost, I'll live & they actually know how to treat people like human beings on the phone, ping is actually better & since my gf & I do actually a lot of online gaming in our spare time, it is important to us
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It depends what you're doing. Sure, if you're moving bulk data around, more bandwidth is better and latency isn't terribly important. But try using a CRM system that intrinsically has to make lots of database queries to do what it does, where the results of those queries are just small records and let me know which is more important.
When are you having to do this from home? & this database does not allow you to manage locally? just curious.

you must know that it's not the norm though, for people to have to manage a database from home, at least without the business provide them with broadband as-needed. my step-dad had his own isdn line to the house before broadband was even a thing, lol. & a freind of mine business paid for a fiber connection which he's now fighting with Verizon over.
 
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When are you having to do this from home?
When I don't wish to be in the office. Which is most of the time. And "home" might be across the street from the office, or 1000 miles away, where the climate suits my clothes better. :)

database does not allow you to manage locally?
It's a CRM system, containing records for every system we've sold, and everyone we've interacted with in the 18 years we've been in business. It needs to be accessible not just to me, but to a bunch of other people, some of whom also work remotely most of the time. So needless to say, the database lives in the office, where we've got a gigabit fiber connection.
 

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What is that? Totally weird numbers there lol
Yeah, my upload speed is ridiculously fast comparatively. According to the City Network Admin my download is "supposed" to be just as as fast, but that is not what I have found in reality. My Upload has always been faster than my download since it was installed. My ping times are usually around 20ms, not sure why it was so high in this test.

In any event, it serves my needs so I dont complain, I was just so utterly grateful to get off of Comcast.
 

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When I don't wish to be in the office. Which is most of the time. And "home" might be across the street from the office, or 1000 miles away, where the climate suits my clothes better. :)


It's a CRM system, containing records for every system we've sold, and everyone we've interacted with in the 18 years we've been in business. It needs to be accessible not just to me, but to a bunch of other people, some of whom also work remotely most of the time. So needless to say, the database lives in the office, where we've got a gigabit fiber connection.
Makes sense, what are you getting with the cellular, like 25mbps?
 

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Makes sense, what are you getting with the cellular, like 25mbps?
I only use cellular as a backup (and mostly as a backup to a backup). What I get there varies tremendously by location. At our cabin in SWVA, it's the only backup, and VZW is the only provider that has any coverage in the area at all. But I'm on the fringes of coverage and use a Wilson signal booster. That said, it's considerably faster than the 1.5 mbps DSL I've also got there -- I think I've seen as much as 10 mbps -- but I rarely use it because I prefer to to hoard the GBs I have available on my cell plan for when I really need them.
 

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With AT&T 4G lte I regularly see 40+ mbps dl speeds, just not here at home. I'm on the fringes of fringes here and rarely see more than 1 bar 4G lte or 3 bars 4G on my hotspot. It switches back and forth between the two and drops signal in between. It used to be better but AT&T stopped renting space on our nearest tower. Sometimes I have to retype these posts multiple times to get them to post.
 

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Here's one my buddy posted to a gaming forum I visit regularly(he uses a low-speed dsl for gaming only, & this for everything else) Hughes net gen 5
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Hey that looks good. I just showed your post to the wife, she said "No way!". I said, "Yeah it looks great doesn't it?" She said, "That's not what I meant by no way":lol:
I guess she's still PO'd at them.
 

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What did you mean by box?

"what's in the boooox" - se7en lol
That was a great movie.

I mean just your basic tin box computer. I built a ton of them for all our business customers and the shop I worked at referred to them at boxes. Had to be careful around the university, some of the female professors didn't appreciate "I'm from Metro Micro and I'm here to have look at your box". o_O

I don't miss that job at all. The cases they bought were extra cheap ($20 including power supply) and the internal edges could slice you wide open in a blink of an eye.
 

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