Why do you say Replay isn't TC? Try a non-TC wire with Replay/Wattage and Replay doesn't see any changing resistance and can't do anything with it. So you need TC wire for it to work. Why, if it isn't TC? Well it is TC, as you get the temperature you like to vape at usually by wattage adjustment. And when you lock it in, it will vape at that temperature all day long. Even stick it in the freezer, it won't matter. It still vapes at the same temperature. So how is that not TC?
Why do you say Replay isn't TC? Try a non-TC wire with Replay/Wattage and Replay doesn't see any changing resistance and can't do anything with it. So you need TC wire for it to work. Why, if it isn't TC? Well it is TC, as you get the temperature you like to vape at usually by wattage adjustment. And when you lock it in, it will vape at that temperature all day long. Even stick it in the freezer, it won't matter. It still vapes at the same temperature. So how is that not TC?
You can't set a fixed temp on Replay, again, it uses a set of parameters to repeat a Hit consistently!
There are many advantages to having Replay
One day in the field my residence went out of wack
resulting in an anemic hit I switched to Replay mode & just adjusted the wattage till the hit was right
Then started Playing 
"TC" traditionally means setting a maximum temperature that will never be exceeded, and knowing what that temperature is. Since Replay works without knowing the TCR of the wire being used, the DNA doesn't know the temperature and neither do you.
If I had an atty that was wonky with TC I got rid of it.
Replay works for me, but I only use it in Power mode. I've tried it in TC mode, but I don't see the point.
I'm doing my Thermal settings later today, but right now I find my old mods overall work much smoother than my 2 Paranormals looking at Device Monitor, but don't feel any different while vaping.
Replay works for me, but I only use it in Power mode. I've tried it in TC mode, but I don't see the point.
I'm doing my Thermal settings later today, but right now I find my old mods overall work much smoother than my 2 Paranormals looking at Device Monitor, but don't feel any different while vaping.
Agreed! If an atty is Bad for TC, I'm not using it!
With Ti Claptons especially You can get gunk build up or other issues that change your resistance
Normally I will just recoil, but in the field, Replay offers a temporary solution Remember there are two methods to using TC. Power Dominant or Temperature Dominant. They work differently and gives you different vapes.
Sure the DNA doesn't have a clue what the temperature is, but I sure do. I sure the hell know the difference between a 200°F vape and a 600°F vape for sure. Heck I used to think I'll never need 5°F steps because I would never notice just 5°. Well I was wrong! A number of times now I went to like 420 to 430 and I said 420 is a tad too cool and 430 is a tad too hot. Dang! 425 ended up to be perfect.
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Sure you can with Replay/Wattage, I do it all of the time. You fiddle with the wattage until you get the temperature that you want to vape at and then lock it in. Now it will only vape at that temperature all day long.
I was under the impression that it was only what was on the display for adjustment purposes.
How does the old saying go? Horse Shoes & Hand grenades Lets add Replay to that
Lets add Replay to that I have no idea why Evolv favored Power Dominant over Temperature Dominant at first. Power Dominant is meant to used just like wattage only, but the temp setting keeps wattage from overheating your wicks and juice. Temperature Dominant works differently. It works by keeping your temperature at that setting and nowhere else. Sure you can have them setup incorrectly and they won't work like this, but this is the idea of the differences. And it is possible to adjust both very carefully that both will vape exactly the same.
Yes it is true it just basically flips temperature and power adjustments around. But Power Dominant you are tweaking wattage around while you vape all day (and leave temperature alone). While Temperature Dominant you are tweaking temperature all day long (and leave wattage alone).
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Well I was watching what was going on in device monitor before and after I hit the replay button, I zeroed in at 420F, got a good vape and hit replay, the temp never went over 420 while in replay. Trust me, if it went above 470 I'd know it, I like a cooler vape. I rarely reach 450 and that's only temporary because of a crudded coil that needs boosting, and in need of replacing, I don't like to vape on a crudded coil.
I've read the posts on Replay but haven't tried it yet. Sounds reasonable that replay would have to use tc wire, it has to track res to have a reference to repeat. If it doesn't track tcr (tfr values) but tracks only res then anything that effects coil res would also effect temp, just as with conventional tc. With that belief, as others have said, I would not use an atty that wouldn't tc for use with replay.
This is all well and good for Evolv's old hands, but do you really think that the most vapers are going to do this? Nope; they're going to slap any old TC-capable wire on there, adjust wattage until get get a hit they like, and replay it, without having a dang clue what coil temperature they're actually vaping at. The board won't know either because Replay works without specifying a wire material, much less a TCR curve.
To me, temperature control means knowing what the coil temperature actually is (temperature dominant mode), or at least limiting it to some known maximum (wattage dominant mode). Can you accomplish this with Replay? I would suppose so. Is it intrinsic to its function? No, it isn't.
Replay wasn't brought about with Us in mind. Old School TC vapers, who took the time & learned the TC. I think "Replay" is a new & convient way to get that really good hit over & over.
I personally still use TC predominantly, Why wouldn't I? It works Great! for Me
I personally still use TC predominantly, Why wouldn't I? It works Great! for Me
I definitely agree that TC is great! I still love my 75s, 200s and 250s, but replay brings a whole new dimension of consistency to TC for me, anyway. Since I use Aromamizers, almost exclusively, I always know what shape my coil is in and I don't let them get to the point where it takes significantly more power to maintain my vape.
As far as popping on a hot coil, that will never happen with me. I'm far to OCD to make that kind of mistake (or at least I want to think so
).
As far as popping on a hot coil, that will never happen with me. I'm far to OCD to make that kind of mistake (or at least I want to think so
).I agree with everything you said even the parts I didn't quote. But here I have a tiny problem. Personally I don't care if the DNA knows the temperature or not. What I care about is I know what the temperature is. After all, my DNA isn't enjoying my vape, but I am. Although I do care that the DNA knows and tracks what the live ohms are. And when I tell it right there, just regulate the power and keep the live ohms right at that spot. That's all I want my DNA to do right. Nothing more and nothing less.
And how do you know when your DNA mod is set to 420F that it is really 420F? Sure you can tell me that you have the right curve loaded for the right wire type and all. But that doesn't mean it is at 420F. You need temperature measuring equipment to know for sure. Maybe your DNA components is out of spec, 510 pin corroded, or something. So unless you are going to calibrate all of your DNAs everyday or so, I don't see why anybody really cares if it is right on the money or not.
Here is what TC compares to me. As I am not a great cook or anything, but I know how to cook and I am really picky about cooking temperatures. Depending on what you are cooking, some needs more heat and some needs less. Some use a gas stove, some grill outside, some use electric, etc. It really doesn't matter as long as you get the temperature right.
Now I just love my Induction Stovetop. But if I put a pot of water on it and dial in 212F will it boil? Nope, never! Maybe the bottom of the pan is 212F, but the water is never going to get there. You need more heat to get the water boiling and need like 280F at least to get there. Why? I dunno, I guess the room temperature cools the pot of water down and you need that much heat to compensate for it.
That is why I don't care if my DNAs is right on or not. But it would be nice if they fell in the ballpark. But I can adjust. Say it is in the middle of winter and I have an emergency TC RDA that I keep in my car not on a mod but just sitting there just in case. Now something goes wrong with the one I am vaping on. I don't know, coil snaps in two, o-rings start leaking like crazy, etc.
No problem, I have my emergency RDA. Throw that on my DNA mod and dial in the correct wire type, power, and temp settings. And guess what? I guarantee it won't hit the temperature I have it set too. Why? Because all TC profiles assumes your coil is at 72F cold or the temperature is going to be off. So unless everything is right to the letter, it just doesn't matter. We can adjust.
I doubt those people care about safe vaping temps anyways, there is a guy at the local vape shop that has one of my DNA 200 Hammond mods but he won't use TC, he mainly uses mech mods with drippers but likes the mod I made with a tank while on the move and not being able to drip. I sat down with him and showed him how escibe works, all the things you can do, explained TC and how going over 470F can be bad but he still wasn't interested, his reply was, "It's still safer then smoking and I like a hot vape with big clouds", to each their own. I'm looking forward to showing him these C's once I have them all figured out, betting he'll like the replay.
I likes em hot and greasy, so Replay is a perfect option for us lazy squonkers who forget to squonk.
Hey guys, I'm not saying Replay is a bad thing! Heck, I reverted to purely mechanical devices several years ago, and I'm entirely comfortable with that. All I'm saying is that Replay isn't really TC.
The old dry cotton scorching test was close enough for me.
None of it is really TC, more of a temperature protection. Replay throttles back the power when the wick gets dry which is TC enough for me. Still 1000x times better than most of the other feeble attempts at TC by the other mod manufacturers.
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