To be honest, the cards I'm using would be wasted on coin mining. Coin mining can be done with a PCI-E, 8 bit, slot while folding needs a full 16 bit slot to work well. Coin mining is simple math while folding, study of how a protein molecule "folds" as it combines with other molecules, is very complex. In fact, "congestion" on the PCI buss is becoming a problem with the latest generation of GPUs when used in multiple slot configurations.
Wow! I got sick and tired of huge energy hungry desktop computers around 2005 and I went the other way. I got into low power laptops. I think this one here only draws 25 watts max (and still snappy 95% of the time). In 2011, I got hot and heavy into tablets. And my lowest wattage one only draws 5 (when running Windows 7) to 8 watts (when running Windows 8). But those are pretty useless for the first 15 minutes until the background stuff settles down.
You know you hit a point when air cooling just doesn't cut it anymore. There is a big reason why uranium-235 fuel rods doesn't use air cooling. It might be better at some point to start thinking water cooling.
I've thought about getting water coolers for the video cards, EVGA sells them, but to make that efficient I'd want the radiators in the basement to dump the heat down there. That, in turn, leads to getting the tubing down there (holes somewhere), neatly, remote mounting and powering fans for those and worrying about leaks. If this fan thing works out as well as I hope I may build a slide on "cap" for the back of the case, full tower Obsydian, and connect the duct to it. 400cfm moving through the case should keep things a lot cooler in there as well. That way all the heat from the machine will go out the window, at least during the warmer months. I'm only guessing but I think the total load is close to 600 watts. Keep in mind that this machine is also an NVR (network video recorder) and acts as our file server. A laptop isn't capable of running as an NVR with more than, maybe, two cameras, even a high end laptop. Since surveillance cameras are kind of like vaping, two just isn't enough.
Whew, it's hot out there, just got the riding mowing done, the thermometer in the shade reads 96F, still got the push mowing/trimming to go... ugh...
I have six hard drives with just under 10TB of storage space, dual disk burners for coping, two printers connected, quad sound system, a TV tuner card I record and watch my shows on with a curved 32" monitor, can't do all of that with the convince of a desktop on a laptop. I do like laptops, I have one I use in the shop and used them while on the road while I had my appraisal business but when at home, at my desk kicking back I'll always use a desktop. I use to connect the laptops to a keyboard, mouse and monitor when I got back home, don't like the smaller screens and keyboards.
Yeah heat off the desktop is a ..... during the summer, but the added heat in the winter is a plus. I just put up with it but mine isn't as bad as your's awsum. Besides, I'm thinned skinned and I'm comfortable up to 78F, I keep the AC in my office at 76F, if it dips below that it feels too cool to me. My wife and I fight the AC in the rest of the house, I turn the temp up and she turns it back down, it drives her nuts, at 73F she's hot.
I have six hard drives with just under 10TB of storage space, dual disk burners for coping, two printers connected, quad sound system, a TV tuner card I record and watch my shows on with a curved 32" monitor, can't do all of that with the convince of a desktop on a laptop. I do like laptops, I have one I use in the shop and used them while on the road while I had my appraisal business but when at home, at my desk kicking back I'll always use a desktop. I use to connect the laptops to a keyboard, mouse and monitor when I got back home, don't like the smaller screens and keyboards.
Yeah heat off the desktop is a ..... during the summer, but the added heat in the winter is a plus. I just put up with it but mine isn't as bad as your's awsum. Besides, I'm thinned skinned and I'm comfortable up to 78F, I keep the AC in my office at 76F, if it dips below that it feels too cool to me. My wife and I fight the AC in the rest of the house, I turn the temp up and she turns it back down, it drives her nuts, at 73F she's hot.
Back when I was younger, and stupider, I didn't think twice about working in attics on days like this. Now, I'm older, and I think less stupid, I avoid going out in the high heat, >90. I used to run around all winter in just a vest, OK a thermal vest, but rarely zipped and sleeveless none the less. Heck, I used to spend hours on end in walk-in reefers then graduated to server rooms where you could almost see your breath. Now I wear thermal jackets and gloves. My temperature range tolerance has diminished over the years. 65 -78 is fine with me, but 93 is a tad too warm in the office.
Sometimes, you need the raw horsepower of a big desktop to do what you want to do. I've got three video cards in mine to run folding plus about 10TB of storage to handle the video and file storage. The machine that acts as a dedicated backup server just has stock video but almost 10TB of storage as well. It only runs two days a week, for a few hours at a time, though and its heat load isn't really very high at all, probably around 100 watts.
Sometimes, you need the raw horsepower of a big desktop to do what you want to do. I've got three video cards in mine to run folding plus about 10TB of storage to handle the video and file storage. The machine that acts as a dedicated backup server just has stock video but almost 10TB of storage as well. It only runs two days a week, for a few hours at a time, though and its heat load isn't really very high at all, probably around 100 watts.
Carefully with your calculations. Don't make the same mistake this guy did!
Actually that pic was caused by a divide by zero error. Still funny though.
Yeah... I solved that problem back in the single tasking computer days (80's). As all you need is multiple machines. Multiple CPUs and GPUs machines before you could buy any. Need more processing power? Just fire up more machines. While I have a couple of dozen machines today I think (most are stacked like books on a bookshelf), I don't think I haven't needed more than 5 running at a time lately. Usually it is just two to three.
Actually that pic was caused by a divide by zero error. Still funny though.
Yeah... I solved that problem back in the single tasking computer days (80's). As all you need is multiple machines. Multiple CPUs and GPUs machines before you could buy any. Need more processing power? Just fire up more machines. While I have a couple of dozen machines today I think (most are stacked like books on a bookshelf), I don't think I haven't needed more than 5 running at a time lately. Usually it is just two to three.
Now I know where the grey's are coming through the worm hole.
I do have a few Alienware laptops (sorry they claim they are called "Desktop Replacements" and not laptops) and sports dual video cards when things gets hot and heavy. Pretty amazing how those laptops (I mean "Desktop Replacements") stay so cool everywhere, except the rearend where the massive air vents are. Each video card needs like 75 watts each just to idle. And in the back, I swear you can bake cookies.
Even those would be hard pressed to handle 24/7/365 use as an NVR. The first big problem being the processors are not really capable of handling multiple video streams at 2Mp rates. Then there's the major problem of storage. I know, use a USB drive. Not really very useful when it comes to very heavy write operations for extended time and way too slow, even USB3. NAS is another alternative but gets a little pricey when compared to internal SATA drives, plus the network connection on the craptop would start to bottleneck with all the inbound and outbound traffic.
Blue Iris, video surveillance software, is actually optimized to run on i5 or i7, generation 5 or better, using the onboard, Intel, video processing. I can't use that processing on mine, unfortunately, but with the raw horsepower I have Blue Iris is only using about 20% of the CPU time to handle nine cameras. Those that have tried laptops have found that 100% CPU utilization with six cameras is the norm, and lags, jerky video, system lockups/BSODs become a problem. If I set up a machine that was solely for Blue Iris I could probably get away with 75-100 watts, it's folding@home that uses the most power.
I do use a craptop most of the time for "casual" computer use, but that desktop is built to handle a load, 24/7/365, that no present day laptop that costs less than $5K, or more, can remotely keep up with. Plus, having a big, flat screen, display on the desktop attached to a pretty high end graphics card makes viewing security footage really nice. Actually, I could plug in a total of ten HD monitors if I really needed to, just can't figure out why I'd need to.
Blue Iris, video surveillance software, is actually optimized to run on i5 or i7, generation 5 or better, using the onboard, Intel, video processing. I can't use that processing on mine, unfortunately, but with the raw horsepower I have Blue Iris is only using about 20% of the CPU time to handle nine cameras. Those that have tried laptops have found that 100% CPU utilization with six cameras is the norm, and lags, jerky video, system lockups/BSODs become a problem. If I set up a machine that was solely for Blue Iris I could probably get away with 75-100 watts, it's folding@home that uses the most power.
I do use a craptop most of the time for "casual" computer use, but that desktop is built to handle a load, 24/7/365, that no present day laptop that costs less than $5K, or more, can remotely keep up with. Plus, having a big, flat screen, display on the desktop attached to a pretty high end graphics card makes viewing security footage really nice. Actually, I could plug in a total of ten HD monitors if I really needed to, just can't figure out why I'd need to.
Accuracy isn't really an issue, a few mm more wouldn't hurt.
The thing about the dremel is you can't really use any type of coolant.
This cause the carbide bit to get cloged up with aluminum
I repeatedly had to clean it out with a sharpe pointed pick.
With a drill press & the X-Y vice, it would be easier to apply coolant as you milled.
It probably would take all most as long, cause you would have to take very small bites, so to not put to much side ways pressure on the chuck.
How does my DirecTV record five different HD streams at once and save them to my 8TB hard drive connected by Firewire? I don't have 4k subscription and I don't even watch TV (about twice a year I do). But I believe it can also record 4k too. Should I double check to see if that outlet is wired for 60 amps?
I mite have the only one in existence?
The good news is Proto has Black & Grey colour Silo 75c's in stock
Silo DNA 75C billet aluminum DNA mod case
Cutting it out with a dremel was a hassle
One of these & a good drill press would probably make the job easier
Not as easy as a Mill, but not everyone has access to one of those.
A good cross vise with tight ways and straight flat beds will work fine. The one in your pic will anger you and ruin your pieces when it starts vibrating like crazy.
It's a question of the processing the video goes through before being written. This is surveillance software, not just direct write of video streams to disk. Each stream is processed and analyzed, constantly, for motion, determined by a set of rules and schedules. If it was just write directly to disk, no problem, but running video surveillance is not comparable to writing HD streams directly to storage.
Very small bites do eliminate most of the vibration/chatter but even with that there is just too much chatter. On the other hand, it eliminates the Dremel from getting away from you and ruining the work. My vice doesn't move, but the spindle of the drill press does and it makes working with it a real bear.
Very small bites do eliminate most of the vibration/chatter but even with that there is just too much chatter. On the other hand, it eliminates the Dremel from getting away from you and ruining the work. My vice doesn't move, but the spindle of the drill press does and it makes working with it a real bear.
Yeah I agree, everything has to be tight to mill with any accuracy. The mill/drill head spindle has to have near zero runout, cross vice has to have straight flat ways with gibs near zero runout and the lead screws and nuts have to have near zero backlash. Anything slopppier causes the dreaded chatter especially during climb cuts. I have a good drillpress but have had zero luck with cross vices/sliding tables. I'm saving for a mini mill of some kind but in the meantime I have a local backwoods semi-retired tool and die maker friend that does great work on the cheap. At this point I've found that the best mill to have is a friends mill.
I've found that the best mill to have is a friends mill.
That about sums it up
I don't think a $300 mill from Amazon is worth wasting the money on!
It's like those "Mini Lathes" If you watched any YT videos on them?
There basically useless
When it comes to machining metals, you need the proper equipment for the job!
Lots of info on how to use the Princess Auto Mini Lathe itself to cut better parts for it.That about sums it up
I don't think a $300 mill from Amazon is worth wasting the money on!
It's like those "Mini Lathes" If you watched any YT videos on them?
There basically useless
When it comes to machining metals, you need the proper equipment for the job!
Lots of info on how to use the Princess Auto Mini Lathe itself to cut better parts for it.
Were theres a Will theres all ways a way
But it's not "idiot Proof"
I personally, would rather spend more money on a better tool, than spend lots of time trying to improve a lesser one.
The problem is justifying the cost of a better tool!
If you were going to use a mini lathe or a small mill for more than just Personal "Mod Making" It would be worth investing some $ in to it
Lots of info on how to use the Princess Auto Mini Lathe itself to cut better parts for it.
True, using a lesser quality machine to build a higher quality one is how the world's most accurate machines were produced. All of my industrial wood working machines had to have some sort of mods to make them more accurate. There's always room for improvements and I have had a few parts made but mostly I've just had parts milled flatter and straighter. You would think a $3800 table saw or a $2800 jointer would have near perfectly flat cast iron tables and dead straight fences but no. They work ok in factory dress but really shine when trued up.
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