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I'm still sensing a Bit of negativity, But I feel your stance is softening :) Curiosity turns into want & want turns into need! It's just a matter of time now :)

It's funny, iOS users also seem to be the most delusional :lol:
 
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No I am basing a security company by their security track record.



They don't want to end up laughed at like Microsoft has been. They know they can't match those who does it for a living, so they don't even try.



I always used and trusted AV Test.org.

AV Test (The Independent IT-Security Institute)

During January and February 2020 we continuously evaluated 20 home user security products using their default settings. We always used the most current publicly-available version of all products for the testing. They were allowed to update themselves at any time and query their in-the-cloud services. We focused on realistic test scenarios and challenged the products against real-world threats. Products had to demonstrate their capabilities using all components and protection layers.

Test antivirus software for Windows 10 - February 2020

For about the last 10 years, MS was or near the bottom of the list. I haven't checked in months, but now it appears since the NSA has been known for helping MS out, they finally managed to scrap themselves off of the bottom of the list. Now let's see how long they can stay there. ;)



Of course they are. And social engineering is another big vulnerability. And one of the best ways to protect yourself against all of them is with a sandbox. It isn't the beat all, but it might be the only thing stopping a threat.

Thats BS. Any baked in OS application can be outdone by a 3rd party developer. Apple’s Safari browser has been ranked as average from so called reviewers. It does not employ the features set of the many big name browsers, or even some of the smaller alternative browsers. But Tim Cook is not making corporate decisions to not develop a browser out of fear that Mozilla will laugh at him.

There will always be a shuffle between top or bottom rankings for many application. At one time Norton AV held the spot for one of the worse AV ever developed. They used their buying power to pay their way to be installed with OEM installations of Windows. 3 month trials forcing users to pay for a subscription. The AV was a resource hog and to uninstall it was like pulling teeth from a hungry bear. Utter crap, but yet Norton is not brought up in this conversation. And I am sure we could find many other examples if we put forth the efforts to research. But that’s cherry picking specifics and not a true reflection to the conversation at hand, which is OS security. MS is no more or less secure than any other operating system. Any fault you find with MS, one could counter act with dozens from other vendors. The pendulum could and can sway to favour any vendor. Vulnerabilities will always be found, it’s inevitable. What is key is how quickly can a vendor react to said vulnerabilities and patch/correct while minimizing threat as much as possible. And MS is quite proficient at this. One of the major issues that plague cyber security is not how quickly a vendor issues a fix, it is the owners of said application and their lax security practices. The Equifax breach is a prime example of this.

Sandboxing has it’s limits, but it is not void of exploiting security vulnerabilities. That has to be dealt with at the host end. An unlikely situation but an example could be running your browser in a sandbox environment. A clever script on a website could still exploit Spectre vulnerability. The sandbox application is still reliant on the code execution of the CPU therefore still accessible if such vulnerability is present.

Malware, security vulnerabilities and social engineering can be identified as vulnerabilities. But they are all classified separately. Spectre is not a malware, nor is it a social engineering exploit. Malware can exploit Spectre, and social engineering can be used to install malware – but this is dealing with 3 separate vulnerabilities. Proper human security practices can prevent social engineering, up to date virus definitions can prevent malware. But if the Spectre fault is not patched it is still present and can be exploited through other means.
 

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It's funny, iOS users also seem to be the most delusional :lol:


Easy there! Imagine how happy your Daughter would be if you could "iMessage" with Her :) Was that a Low Blow? :lol: I'm just having fun with Ya, seems like All the News is So Bad lately :( it's hard to get a laugh any where :(
 

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Thats BS. Any baked in OS application can be outdone by a 3rd party developer.

That is what I have been saying all of this time. Thank you very much. ;)

But Tim Cook is not making corporate decisions to not develop a browser out of fear that Mozilla will laugh at him.

Totally different than security. Nobody laughs at MS either for Clipboard.

There will always be a shuffle between top or bottom rankings for many application.

Absolutely! But when you are on the bottom or near for the past 10 years, that tells you something. ;)

Sandboxing has it’s limits

Without a doubt! ;)
 

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