Please view The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary comments section today and read a post by Dr. Maurey Laugesen of NZ. It concerns an ongoing research and development project with Phillip Morris and Duke University and the testing of PM's electronic cigarette (in development for six years) very interesting
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They are definitely on the right track...it's so much easier to quit by moving to something that handles the oral fixation thing. However, I'm worried that with Phillip Morris' name attached, it will be viewed in a negative light, regardless of Duke's participation.
It'll be interesting to see how it goes. Thanks for the link.
It'll be interesting to see how it goes. Thanks for the link.
I'm just not crazy about the fact that PM has the money to put their product through all the legal hoops. The FDA would love to say that all the other products out there are untested and that there is an alternative in the PM brand. Therefore, the other products must either comply with the same processes or be pulled. PM doesn't care what it puts in cigs to make a buck. I don't see them caring what they use in these. In fact the more highly addictive a substance, the more likely they'll be to use it. The addition of nicotine to their products is a prime example.
LOL PM is the inventor, and to believe otherwise is naive. This announcement confirms that they have been working on it for at least six years. Go to Dr. Laugesen's site Untitled Document for some truly enlightening information
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Actually, most of the stuff I've seen confirms that it was invented in China in 2004 by Runyan, I believe. But you might want to check that.
The study that I quoted says that they have been working on this for 6 years, so that takes us back to 2004 and Ruyan. Some of us have thought from the beginning that there was always a link between Ruyan and PM and that possibly Ruyan was simply a spinoff of PM. If PM has been working on a version of the e cigarette since the 1980's, doesn't it seem a stretch that suddenly this upstart company comes up with an improved version of PM's early ventures into this market? Look at the Accord at NOVA Online | Search for a Safe Cigarette | "Safer" Cigarettes: A History and you see an early version of today's mods. Look at the Heatbar, and you see an early version of the Janty Stick.
Electronic cigarettes have been in the making for a very long time, and BT has been there for the duration. PM has been in negotiations with Ruyan for some time. My guess is there is not much to negotiate except for the publicity.
Yeah it looks the same but from what they say about it in the text it's really nothing like an e-cig at all. None of the products being talked about in that article are anything even remotely like an e-cig.
You are looking at the evolvement of an e cig. Use your imagination
I hate to admit it, but if the SOBs at Phillip Morris start putting their ample weight behind promoting an ecig rather than destroying them as competition, that can only be good for us.
Still, eff tobacco companies.
Still, eff tobacco companies.
I think some people have misinterpreted what you were saying here. PM is the inventor of this new plasma-nicotine device, but certainly not the inventor of the e-cig that we all use. Hon Lik gets the credit for this. PM in negotiations with Ruyan is either a myth or has fallen through. PM does have their own version of an e-cig, it's even been confirmed on this forum by some guy who knows a guy who works in the labs of PM in Virginia.
There was also a prototype e-cig from a patent made in 1963 but that device never got off the ground. But all of the historical prototype e-cigs, from the 1963 device to the Accord, Favor, Eclipse, et al, used a different method of creating nicotine-laced smoke or vapor than the Chinese e-cig. It is definitely a Chinese product invented by a Chinaman in 2003.
There could be pro's and cons to no visible vapr. On one hand it will reduce the satisfaction of vaping. On the other hand, though, it would certainly give the anti-smoking fanatics less to hate. Trying to make these ...... understand that I am NOT smoking would be a lot easier without visible vapor.
Personally, I would have zero interest in a device that produces no vapor. Others might be just fine with that; it's just not for me.
I agree not everyone wants to quit smoking, I rather enjoy the tactile sensation as much as the nicotine. If they ban nicotine, I'll continue to vape without nicotine, every single component of an ecig can be purchased over the counter in most countries. If it was just the nicotine that was addictive then FDA approved cessation devices would have a 100 percent success rate instead of the 5 percent rate that they have now.
The act of smoking is so much more than just nicotine. In part it is the physical aspect and the relaxing feeling that comes from deep inhales and exhales of plooms of vapor that has me coming back for more. It's also the social aspect when buddies go out for a smoke I can go out for a vape and not feel the peer pressure to smoke cancer causing cigarettes.
The act of smoking is so much more than just nicotine. In part it is the physical aspect and the relaxing feeling that comes from deep inhales and exhales of plooms of vapor that has me coming back for more. It's also the social aspect when buddies go out for a smoke I can go out for a vape and not feel the peer pressure to smoke cancer causing cigarettes.
I know who gets credit for the invention, but my radar says that it is more likely than unlikely that somewhere along the line the research already started for many many years before at PM was not a part of that discovery.
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