expensive mods

[John Phoenix]

Yet another site that stole Vermonster, YZR, and my carto tank design from the VF modder's forum. That's the second I've seen. At least Stormy had the minimal class to credit where she got it. I really hate it when vendors steal DIY concepts and Jack up the price. $8 for $2.50 in parts, and 5 minutes in labor.

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That's the beauty of living in America. If you want to protect your design you get a patent on it. If not and you publish it on a forum where anyone can see it, It's open season for anyone who wants to copy that mod. This is the way it works. No credit given is needed. The Modder relinquishes his claim to the design when he posts it publicly without a patent.

I cannot feel sorry for anyone who cries because someone stole his idea and did not take the steps to protect it properly.

Also, at the moment the product becomes made for production as in the Provari or Reo, it is no longer a mod, it is a production model. Most E-cig people incorrectly call production models, "mods". It's time people learned this difference. Those production models should be patented also.

Op, what your talking about are production model e-cigs, not Mods. Mods are only these e-cigs that you build with DIY parts, not fully assembled production model copies of "mods".

 

[ChaosAffect]

I'm not after any money, or even any credit for myself. What I am saying is that if a vendor does lift something from the modders at least credit them. You're opinion is obviously that of someone that's never contributed. Your argument is invalid. LoL.

In the end I know there won't be any satisfaction, though. Your sig speaks of inalienable rights, and it appears that one of the inalienable rights of most Americans is to be constantly screwed and not say a thing about it. If you're ok with the idea of someone taking something that was posted freely to help all vapers and making a unreasonable profit on it, then your sig should just read 'Apathy'.

That's the beauty of living in America. If you want to protect your design you get a patent on it. If not and you publish it on a forum where anyone can see it, It's open season for anyone who wants to copy that mod. This is the way it works. No credit given is needed. The Modder relinquishes his claim to the design when he posts it publicly without a patent.


I cannot feel sorry for anyone who cries because someone stole his idea and did not take the steps to protect it properly.

Also, at the moment the product becomes made for production as in the Provari or Reo, it is no longer a Mod, it is a production model. Most E-cig people incorrectly call production models, "mods". It's time people learned this difference. Those production models should be patented also.

 

[carpedebass]

I cannot afford the pretty shiny mods, so I won't be purchasing them. If I could afford them, I STILL wouldn't fling $200 or more dollars at one. When it all comes down to it, they're batteries...they supply power to whatever you top them with. I just cannot fathom spending that kind of coin for something that, in all reality isn't going to perform any better than a much lower priced box mod. (And yes for all you "purists" out there...I've tried a Darwin and a Provari. Didn't see the point...sorry.)

I agree with another poster that advised us to vote with our wallets. My vote is cast. When my wimpy little eGo batts die, I'll bury them in the trash bin without a second thought and continue vaping my little box mod. It may not be as pretty as the shiny $200+ rigs, but I'll bet it'll get nicotine laden vapor into my lungs just the same and that vapor will taste great too!!

Maybe it's a maturity thing...I used to think I had to have the coolest, shiniest, muscle car on the block that'd pass anything on the road but a gas station. Couldn't afford to drive the stinkin' thing, but it sure looked cool sitting in my driveway...now-a-days I want something that'll get me to and fro reliably without breaking the bank. I feel exactly the same about PVs.

Still every day I see more and more people throwing TONS of money at the latest shiny thing-a-ma-bob that does nothing more than heat an atomizer. To each his/her own I suppose...but the final thing I have to "say" in the matter is that the makers of these fine PVs are STILL allowing people to remain analog free. For that, I give them my undivided respect!!!

 

[shakory]

i believe some mods are worth the money they cost

 

[o4_srt]

Some people like pretty things.


With the exception of the "smart" mods, you can get the same function for far less money with a little know-how, granted, it will probably not have the same build quality or aesthetics a retail mod would have.

The smart mods can also be made on the cheap, but require an immense increase in know-how that most people lack.

 

[swedishfish]

That's the beauty of living in America. If you want to protect your design you get a patent on it. If not and you publish it on a forum where anyone can see it, It's open season for anyone who wants to copy that mod. This is the way it works. No credit given is needed. The Modder relinquishes his claim to the design when he posts it publicly without a patent.

I cannot feel sorry for anyone who cries because someone stole his idea and did not take the steps to protect it properly.

Also, at the moment the product becomes made for production as in the Provari or Reo, it is no longer a Mod, it is a production model. Most E-cig people incorrectly call production models, "mods". It's time people learned this difference. Those production models should be patented also.

Op, what your talking about are production model e-cigs, not Mods. Mods are only these e-cigs that you build with DIY parts, not fully assembled production model copies of "mods".

Wow. Really???

 

[swedishfish]

I'm not after any money, or even any credit for myself. What I am saying is that if a vendor does lift something from the modders at least credit them. You're opinion is obviously that of someone that's never contributed. Your argument is invalid. LoL.

In the end I know there won't be any satisfaction, though. Your sig speaks of inalienable rights, and it appears that one of the inalienable rights of most Americans is to be constantly screwed and not say a thing about it. If you're ok with the idea of someone taking something that was posted freely to help all vapers and making a unreasonable profit on it, then your sig should just read 'Apathy'.

Not only don't say anything but expect it to happen. Seriously, if I ever have that sort of mindset I'll take a bubble bath with my toaster.

Is it that much of a fricken deal to credit someone?

 

[dlmb]

I paid a huge chunk of change for my Provari, but I'd say it was worth every penny... You can feel the quality in your hands, its all about what its worth to you!

-Dustin

 

[MiXoLoGiSt]

China is going to be selling the provari like lavatube for 40 bucks a pop (on the high end) so even if a local supplier marks it up to $80 bucks, a whopping 100% mark up, they will still be half of what the provari costs at its "on sale" price of 159.99.

But it is going to be nowhere near the quality of the ProVari. Sure you will be able to adjust voltage but you wont be able to check battery life or the ohms of your atomizer. Secondly, it is coming from china which means they will be massed produced in a factory, which also means there will be no quality control. Something from china will not have the build quality that a USA built mod will have. I am guessing the lava tube will be problem free for about 3 months and then it wont work properly, and that time frame is really pushing it. Like i said earlier in this thread, you get what you pay for!

So basically it boils down to spending half the cash on a crappier product made in china that doesn't have all the features as a Provari or buying a USA built quality Provari from the get go and not having all the problems you will have with the cheap chinese built lava tube that will end up costing you more in the long run.

Again this is purely what i think, i have not tried a lava tube yet so i cant give an accurate opinion on it, but i know for sure it wont be as good as a Provari. And no im not a Provari fanboy either because i actually prefer my Darwin to the ProVari.

 

[alamor]

I build my own mods. My last little jem cost all of $2.20 to build.

The SB is looking all neglected and rejected sitting on the book shelf.

BTW, you can get a VV from MadVapes for $35.00.
Cost me about $15.00 or so to build mine, so I would say their mark up is about right.

I 2nd what TJ said, I use the VV boxmod from Madvapes. Cost me $35 plus the batteries and charger. Works great! I actually bought a 2nd one just in case my main box mod broke. And I haven't had any issues so far.

 

[Boodle]

Not only don't say anything but expect it to happen. Seriously, if I ever have that sort of mindset I'll take a bubble bath with my toaster.

Is it that much of a fricken deal to credit someone?

LMBO! We need a Fish-isms blog.

 

[Ande]

You're not crediting mods makers for the long battery life do you? I don't think they have the money for R&D to extend battery life beyond what you see in laptops, flashlights, ipads, etc. Bottom line is, all the materials they need to make the mods are there for every entrepreneur adventurous enough to go into the business.

If there is another case where the oft repeated remark, "this is no rocket science" applies, this is one. It's a simple battery with a switch and a wicking mechanism. Long battery life is directly proportional to the size. You want one with a longer life? Get a bigger one. As simple as that. I'd be happy to see an e-cig the size of a real cigarette that lasts at least one day of vaping.

Ummm...no. Not crediting mod builders with building the batteries.

But I still haven't seen the flashlight with the button that takes 3.7, or 5, or 6.4, or 7.2 volts without oxidizing, without BREAKING, for 1000 button presses. Let alone the many many many thousands of button presses we expect an ecig to take.

There is no rocket science. Even rocket science isn't "rocket science," if you know what I'm saying.

But there IS such a thing as good engineering.

Another poster commented that two devices using the same battery are going to vape the same- not my experience at all.

Met a guy the other day with an indulgence. Know another guy pretty well with a GGTS. Both (can) take an 18650 battery. Put the same battery in each and see which one vapes better? One has a crappy, unreliable switch, tends to oxidize, doesn't always fire, and loses quite a lot of voltage on internal resistance. And then it breaks.

The other ALWAYS fires, doesn't break down, and DOESN'T break.

The way I figure it is that an indulgence is $60. If you're lucky, it will last a (frustrating) 6 months to a year. My soon to arrive Apex Alpha is more like $220. If it lasts 2 to 4 years, then I win on value.

Even if it doesn't (which it will, with a 10 year warranty), I still win on how well it works in the meantime.

I'm willing to pay extra for a switch that fires reliably, and a device that doesn't degrade over the time I use it.

Willing to pay for quality.

If you aren't, then don't. But don't come running to us complaining when your cheaper gear breaks down.

It's like a lot of things. I have my suits made. NOT a cheap thing to do. But I have some awfully sharp looking suits that I've had for close to a decade.

Try that with a discount rack made in Indonesia kind of suit.

Best,
Ande

 

[kabonk]

Maybe it's a maturity thing...I used to think I had to have the coolest, shiniest, muscle car on the block that'd pass anything on the road but a gas station. Couldn't afford to drive the stinkin' thing, but it sure looked cool sitting in my driveway...now-a-days I want something that'll get me to and fro reliably without breaking the bank. I feel exactly the same about PVs.
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I don't think it makes me immature to want to buy myself a nice mod if thats what I choose to spend my money on then so be it, if you choose not to spend money on a mod then thats fine too.

 

[misplacedsooner]

the great thing is i can buy whatever i want, i do the research on the product and if i like it i buy it if i can afford it. i choose to buy american made myself. i have a choice and thats just me. if i dont think a product is worth the price i look elsewhere to find something that is satisfactory to me.

 

[thewomenfolk]

Ande was right on when he said.... "Willing to pay for quality."

Because of the high quality of Super T's mechanical Precise and Evolv's electrical Darwin, I think their makers deserve whatever profit they make selling these Mods. And the buyers are getting their money's worth. (Just ask them)

 

[wv2win]

.......But functionally, two 3.7v mods that use the same battery size are going to vape the same.

This is definitely the observation of someone who has never bought a higher end PV. A plain, plastic box mod with a connector for the atty and wires soldered to the battery holder and the switch is a 3.7v mod or a 6 volt mod if it has two batteries, plain and simple. But if you add a circuit that regulates the power to the atomizer, a circuit/regulator that boosts the power as the battery drains and a circuit that senses the resistence change in the atomzier, it vapes TOTALLY different (and much better) than the first PV, but could look exactly the same on the outside. And it should cost a heck of a lot more, also.

 

[MiXoLoGiSt]

I don't think it makes me immature to want to buy myself a nice mod if thats what I choose to spend my money on then so be it, if you choose not to spend money on a mod then thats fine too.

Exactly! Sure some of it may be having a nice collection to show off, but overall it is basically buying what you want. I have 3 of the most expensive mods on the market right now and i cant say i regret spending the money on any of them. Each have their own unique things them which make them awesome! I don't think that makes me immature at all. I buy what i want and dont buy what i dont want, simple as that.

If buying things that we like and want makes us immature then i think just about everyone in the world must be immature. People spend tons of money on baseball card collections, airsoft guns, paintball guns, swords, rocks, cars, rc cars, painting supplies, books, movies etc. Collecting mods and accessories (tanks, drip tips, etc.) is the same as any other hobby, only this hobby actually has a benefit other than being fun, it keeps me healthier than if i were smoking the cancer sticks. Not many hobbies actually help you stay healthy. Thats basically the way i view mods and vaping, as a hobby.

 

[Goldenkobold]

This is definitely the observation of someone who has never bought a higher end PV. A plain, plastic box mod with a connector for the atty and wires soldered to the battery holder and the switch is a 3.7v mod or a 6 volt mod if it has two batteries, plain and simple. But if you add a circuit that regulates the power to the atomizer, a circuit/regulator that boosts the power as the battery drains and a circuit that senses the resistence change in the atomzier, it vapes TOTALLY different (and much better) than the first PV, but could look exactly the same on the outside. And it should cost a heck of a lot more, also.

Voltage regulators, variable voltage are available in 50 dollar flash lights and have been for...at least 4 years now. Now the Darwin and Provari (with its single battery booster, also found in flash lights) deserve some credit for incorporating such tech into the vaping world, but they are still relatively overpriced to similar tech...of course as the first ones to have that technology and present it on a large scale its their right to set the price however they want....but its a no brainer china is going to do the same thing for a fifth of the price, if the market was large enough I am sure someone would undercut them domestically.

 

[Michael Curry]

This is an age-old debate that exists in practically every realm of human endeavor. As far as I know, it's never been resolved. I used to see it all the time when I was smoking a pipe. The guy with a Dr. Grabow and a pouch of Prince Albert from Walgreen's for $30, insists that the guy with a $600 Jacono and an aged tin of Escudo for $1+ a gram is getting nothing more for his money. The guy with the high end stuff of course disagrees completely.

So who's right? Well, chances are that the guy with the high dollar setup started with drugstore stuff. So he knows what it is, and what it does. Can the drugstore guy make the comparison as well? Probably not. And that's what makes it an un-winnable argument. There's no common core of experience on which to base the discussion. Yes, there can be other factors involved as well, but that's usually it.

 

[wv2win]

I cannot afford the pretty shiny mods, so I won't be purchasing them. If I could afford them, I STILL wouldn't fling $200 or more dollars at one. When it all comes down to it, they're batteries...they supply power to whatever you top them with. I just cannot fathom spending that kind of coin for something that, in all reality isn't going to perform any better than a much lower priced box mod. (And yes for all you "purists" out there...I've tried a Darwin and a Provari. Didn't see the point...sorry.).............

Then, sorry, but you really don't have a clue! I've vaped and/or owned 15 different models. Some had only small differences in performance. But the Darwin, as one example, has a huge difference in performance in comparison to a $50 box mod when you vape on it for more than 5 minutes.