expensive mods

[keyzygirl]

I understand what you mean. Some people brag a lot about how much they have and how much better their certain brand stuff is and it makes other people who cant afford it feel bad sometimes.Its like that with everything though,cars,phones,game systems,computers.No matter what you have someone thinks theirs is better.That's the way it is now.I prefer to just back away from the competition,LOL!

 

[Goldenkobold]

it's just a matter of time before some company puts together a good mass produced mod that will be well made, handle VV, look good, and come at a much lower price than we have now.

When that happens, some of the current mod makers will probably get taken out of business. A one man shop can't compete with that very well. Others will probably keep going, even with that kind of competition. China isn't likely to mass produce anything that looks as nice as a Reo Woody, or the wood veneered Buzz Pro's, for instance.

Yea I look at pipe making as an example of how individual artist can compete against China and still live, yes you can get a wood/stone pipe for 2 bucks on ebay ($9 handing and apparently shipping). Yet domestic pipe makers still thrive because they provide a more artistic less mass produced product, and they charge a good bit as well....in fact some of them charge more than the most expensive mod.

As for china mass producing something, Volcano says a tentative release date of Nov 15th for the lavatube (and if they take too much time, or over charge the price, we will just give our money to Europe). I imagine that barring some major device crippling problems (and honestly after seeing ce2's bounce back I don't even think that stops people from buying stuff) it will change the price scheme on VV's from its release on out. If it sells with battery and charger for 75-90 bucks it will move VV from the upper price range to actually below the price range of many fixed volt tube mods out there.

Should be interesting to see what that does to the overall price of mods.

 

[o4_srt]

I'm just having trouble believing that your $6 plastic mod is comparable to a buzz pro or darwin or reo. And if you can do it, I can't see why you wouldn't want to make a ton of money.

I know the button used in the Buzz Pro is rated for over a million presses. How many presses is the button you are using rated for? My guess is that you don't even know - you bought the cheapest button you can buy, and you figure "a button is a button".

I completely agree that if china were to mass produce a good mod, they could put out a very good product far, far cheaper than anything we've seen. But that won't happen unless they can count on selling millions of them every year. And when they do, it will drive a lot of the current mad makers out of business, since they are pretty much working by hand and building them one at a time.

Don't remember the p/n to look up the datasheet for the switch, but it's not a $.50 radio shack special.... Got it from mouser.

I'm a bit taken aback that you assume that because I don't mass produce what I make, it's crap.

FYI, I repair/test/tube electronics that get installed in f-16's, b1 bombers, as well as telemetry transmitters that are used in various NASA projects. I believe I have a decent grasp on the concept of quality workmanship.

Not sure why you assumed I am just a know-nothing basement diy'er....

And if you really want to know about switches, my previous mod didn't have a mechanical switch. Capacitance switch that sensed your fingertip in a specific location on the outside of the mod. 1 million button pushes? My design withstands an infinite amount. No moving parts.

Just because someone has no interest in making a profit from what they build for personal use does not mean they are incapable of producing a quality product.

Would be kinda hard to produce enough mods for others between working full time, school (electrical engineering), and upkeep on the house.

 

[swedishfish]

Don't remember the p/n to look up the datasheet for the switch, but it's not a $.50 radio shack special.... Got it from mouser.

I'm a bit taken aback that you assume that because I don't mass produce what I make, it's crap.

FYI, I repair/test/tube electronics that get installed in f-16's, b1 bombers, as well as telemetry transmitters that are used in various NASA projects. I believe I have a decent grasp on the concept of quality workmanship.

Not sure why you assumed I am just a know-nothing basement diy'er....

And if you really want to know about switches, my previous mod didn't have a mechanical switch. Capacitance switch that sensed your fingertip in a specific location on the outside of the mod. 1 million button pushes? My design withstands an infinite amount. No moving parts.

I'm pretty impressed that you're making your own mods.

That's my goal one day- to give it a try!

 

[hairball]

You're willing to spend a ton of money for a TV, cell phone, etc...which don't improve the quality of life and you're complaining about the cost of a mod? Doesn't make sense to me. I'll take a high priced mod over a TV or cell phone anyday. I know you didn't say anything about either of the 2 but I'm just making a point. If you don't like the prices, don't buy...it's that simple.

 

[carpedebass]

You're willing to spend a ton of money for a TV, cell phone, etc...which don't improve the quality of life and you're complaining about the cost of a mod? Doesn't make sense to me. I'll take a high priced mod over a TV or cell phone anyday. I know you didn't say anything about either of the 2 but I'm just making a point. If you don't like the prices, don't buy...it's that simple.

Which post are you referring to?

 

[wv2win]

I have a 5v GLV3.
Easy to fill.
Hits fantastically.
Heavy as heck!
I could knock out a horse with it.

Exactly! Someone else on this thread stated the exact opposite and I'm quite sure they don't use the GLV or have a clue.

 

[wv2win]

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[wv2win]

I am looking for a mod that gives me the same power as my pass thru, but am rather limited right now as to how much I can spend, any ideas? I don't want to spend a lot of money just to be dissapointed...

The 5 volt GLV2 would be the answer as pass-throughs are also 5 volts. The GLV2 has a legion of fans and comes with a lifetime warranty.

 

[wv2win]

The Rough stacks at madvapes are a cheaper tube option and they can use the 4.8 batts so it would be about the same as a PT.

Except I've read that those are not Li-on batteries and don't last long on a charge. But I have no personal experience using them.

 

[mafig]

i stick to the commercial variety..ego,510 etc ..and also great improvement for the latest model..now waiting for the variable voltage type in EGO when the price will dropped after the launch..peruse online in ECF to see the latest

 

[wv2win]

...........The problem I have is that claiming that all mods are overpriced because "I can build one for $6". If that's true, then build several thousand of them and make a bunch of money, and I'm all on your side. I don't think it's true, though. You can't build an equivalent mod for $6...............

This is the REAL point. None of us who have higher costing PV's have anything against someone owning/using a $35 box mod. I have a $37 ($55 with bats/charger) 5 volt box mod that I used for about a year and still have as a back up.

But stating that a $6 PV or even a $35 box mod is the same and performs as well as say a Provari or Darwin is just pure BS. I could tick off 4 or 5 features of the Darwin that makes it significantly better in performance than a plain box mod. There's nothing wrong with a plain box mod. But stating it is the same as a higher end PV just doesn't float.

 

[o4_srt]

This is the REAL point. None of us who have higher costing PV's have anything against someone owning/using a $35 box mod. I have a $37 ($55 with bats/charger) 5 volt box mod that I used for about a year and still have as a back up.

But stating that a $6 PV or even a $35 box mod is the same and performs as well as say a Provari or Darwin is just pure BS. I could tick off 4 or 5 features of the Darwin that makes it significantly better in performance than a plain box mod. There's nothing wrong with a plain box mod. But stating it is the same as a higher end PV just doesn't float.

But you have to keep in mind that the modding community is behind these high-end pv's.

Variable voltage was first implemented in a box mod. Constant power was first discussed in the modding forum. Larger batteries? Mod forum.

The diy'ers are the force behind the expensive models. Difference is that most diy'ers do it as a hobby, not as a business. Others take those ideas and turn them into a business, where they take the concepts and ideas the diy'ers came up with and polish em up all nice and pretty.

If it weren't for the lowly box mod, the Darwin wouldn't exist. We'd all still be blowing puny clouds of vapor and charging our batteries every 2 hours.


The only reason I think some of these higher end pv's are overpriced is because I have the knowledge and ability to duplicate their features if I so choose. I realize that I am not in the majority. As someone previously stated, the market will dictate the price.

 

[wv2win]

But you have to keep in mind that the modding community is behind these high-end pv's.

Variable voltage was first implemented in a box mod. Constant power was first discussed in the modding forum. Larger batteries? Mod forum.

The diy'ers are the force behind the expensive models. Difference is that most diy'ers do it as a hobby, not as a business. Others take those ideas and turn them into a business, where they take the concepts and ideas the diy'ers came up with and polish em up all nice and pretty.

If it weren't for the lowly box mod, the Darwin wouldn't exist. We'd all still be blowing puny clouds of vapor and charging our batteries every 2 hours.


The only reason I think some of these higher end pv's are overpriced is because I have the knowledge and ability to duplicate their features if I so choose. I realize that I am not in the majority. As someone previously stated, the market will dictate the price.

Well, all I can do is take your word that you have the knowledge and ability to duplicate the Darwin. It is the only power regulated mod (regulating wattage) that I am aware of. And also the only one capable of determining the resistence change in the atty and automatically adjusting the wattage to maintain consistency.

If you have this knowledge, I have to wonder why you would not made one for yourself.

Do you also have the business and financial knowledge to start, market, manage and grow this type of business that sells thousands of units? If you don't, then you are just a guy with the appropriate electrical knowledge who can only tinker in the basement.

 

[o4_srt]

Well, all I can do is take your word that you have the knowledge and ability to duplicate the Darwin. It is the only power regulated mod (regulating wattage) that I am aware of. And also the only one capable of determining the resistence change in the atty and automatically adjusting the wattage to maintain consistency.

If you have this knowledge, I have to wonder why you would not made one for yourself.

Do you also have the business and financial knowledge to start, market, manage and grow this type of business that sells thousands of units? If you don't, then you are just a guy with the appropriate electrical knowledge who can only tinker in the basement.

I have not made one myself because I haven't the time or motivation to do so.

I do have access to all the appropriate tools and machinery to assemble surface mount components on PCB's, as well as access to incredibly expensive electrical design software.

But again, not something I'm interested in doing. Maybe as my senior project, haven't decided what I'm doing for that yet.

I never claimed the ability or desire to mass produce, simply that the darwin isn't really the first time this concept has been brought up. It's simply the first commercially available product to do so.


I'm far more interested in efficiency and performance than LCD screens and constant power sources.

Besides, in order to make a truly consistent vape, you also have to factor in the mechanical/aerodynamic/fluid dynamics, or rather, the inconsistencies of each between every atomizer/cartomizer. The power supply is just one small part.

 

[wv2win]

I have not made one myself because I haven't the time or motivation to do so.

I do have access to all the appropriate tools and machinery to assemble surface mount components on PCB's, as well as access to incredibly expensive electrical design software.

But again, not something I'm interested in doing. Maybe as my senior project, haven't decided what I'm doing for that yet.

I never claimed the ability or desire to mass produce, simply that the darwin isn't really the first time this concept has been brought up. It's simply the first commercially available product to do so.


I'm far more interested in efficiency and performance than LCD screens and constant power sources.

Besides, in order to make a truly consistent vape, you also have to factor in the mechanical/aerodynamic/fluid dynamics, or rather, the inconsistencies of each between every atomizer/cartomizer. The power supply is just one small part.

I believe that the Darwin's ability to measure the resistence changes in the atty as you vape and change the power level automatically goes farther than any other PV in addressing inconsistencies.

The main point, however, is having the knowledge to build a PV as advanced as the Darwin (comparatively speaking) is NOT the same as being able to mass produce it, market it, manage inventory, manufacturing, finance, etc. So there really is no comparison to what someone can do in their basement and what the makers of the Darwin have done.

 

[o4_srt]

Have you seen what this "basement tinkerer" is doing?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227699

 

[o4_srt]

I believe that the Darwin's ability to measure the resistence changes in the atty as you vape and change the power level automatically goes farther than any other PV in addressing inconsistencies.

The main point, however, is having the knowledge to build a PV as advanced as the Darwin (comparatively speaking) is NOT the same as being able to mass produce it, market it, manage inventory, manufacturing, finance, etc. So there really is no comparison to what someone can do in their basement and what the makers of the Darwin have done.

Those are business aspects that have nothing to do with the performance of a pv....

 

[Goldenkobold]

I don't understand why DIY is equating into plastic box mod in this discussion, yea that is one possible example of DIY but it hardly is the entirety, I think its time you wander off of the new members forum and over to the modding forum.

You have everything from very nice mechanicals

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/battery-mods/233580-katana.html

someone is working on a power regulating darwin eque card
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-screen-18650-constant-power-open-source.html

touch buttons


DIY does not equal plastic box mod, and you know what there is nothing wrong with a plastic box mod anyway.

I don't want an lcd screen to tell me what I like to vape, thankfully I have an organic structure to help me out with that. Send me your darwin I will use it as a door stop while I vape something mechanical or wood (or preferably both) at 3.7v. I like 9 watts and down (normally 8 ish as a max to be honest) I thankfully don't have to vape on something shaped like a digital thermometer to get that.

Taste is personal, both in juice and in design, but guess what that means while we have to understand you may not think the darwin is ugly as can be, you have to understand some people may enjoy the experience of the kr808, the plasticy box mod, the well crafted wood mod over the experience of the darwin. Someone somewhere like 2.5ohm 3.3v vaping I am sure and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Baldr]

I'm a bit taken aback that you assume that because I don't mass produce what I make, it's crap.

First, I"m pretty damn sure that I haven't used the word "crap" in this discussion at all.

And second, I'm pretty damn sure that I haven't said that you can't produce a nice product. I haven't suggested that the only people who can put out a nice product are the ones already doing it.

I have repeatedly argued that nobody can put out a high quality PV for $6 unless it's something geared up in a factory designed to produce millions of them. I doubt even they can do it for that kind of price.

You're putting words into my mouth and then arguing with stuff I didn't say.

Not sure why you assumed I am just a know-nothing basement diy'er....

Again, you're making things up, attributing them to me, then getting mad at your own imagination.

Have fun. I don't think I'll be responding, since what I say and what you think I say seem to have no relationship.