expensive mods

[Goldenkobold]

I think my first and only post about the eclipse (prerelease)

I am just not feeling it. I keep reading posts with almost fanatical anticipation and
I can see the appeal of the design it has a very techy ipod type look, never going to be the cup of tea of people who do not like plastic or box mods though....I prefer wood but that is just me.
but...there lack of range of the VV..never going below 4v
and there is something scary about an internal pump, from someone who has worked with pumps, as the juice feed system...I think I would rather have the slightly more basic but ultimately more durable Reo/ali'i system.

oh and the price tag

However I can see where this could appeal to some people...that little front wheel is certainly cool looking in its own way.

pretty much stands

 

[Iffy]

I don't really get the mod thing. I just can't see anything working bett than an ego. Plenty of vape. Plenty of battery life. Small, good looking. I can see the fun in building your own mod, I might do that myself, but I don't see the point in buying one.

VR, I used to be of the same attitude. Just check some of my older posts: eGo batt/eMDCC all da way. I still use that same combo. BUT... it's really difficult to put down my Buzz Pro with a DIY syringe carto tank using a 1.5Ω dual coil carto at about 4.6 VDC! If I could vape kerosine, there would be no skeeters in my neighborhood!

 

[tj99959]

If you travel and vape in public, they need to be inconspicuous and last at least a day without refilling.

Inconspicuous is pretty easy: 25mm x 62mm

Last all day without refilling --- sorry but a 18650 battery and 5ml of juice takes up a little more space.

Soon to be released: 13mm x 43mm

You just hang it on your keychain.

 

[JQside]

Inconspicuous is pretty easy. Last all day without refilling --- sorry but a 18650 battery and 5ml of juice takes up a little more room.

That's really pretty small, TJ. I don't mind additional room for slightly bigger tank and a slightly larger battery.

Looking forward to it.

;-)

 

[wv2win]

No my posts were based off of the superior manufacturing capabilities of a large manufacturer vs the small scale production employed by the current mods, I can't believe this has escaped you so I am assuming your just being difficult. You asked for an example of "how" so I gave you one, not as a unit per unit comparison but for a "how" it would be done.

Because you stated "Stepping away from "generalities" and providing specifics to prove these statements, is something no one has done in this discussion."

You asked how it could be done, obviously I answered that, I think I answered all your rather off the mark questions as well.

Again, you are stating "generalities" not specifics. I never asked "how" a model such as the Provari could be provided at a lower cost. I challenged you to prove that they are "overpriced" currently as you stated they were. You are inferring that the Provari/Darwin are "overpriced" because they are made by small enterprises instead of large companies. But that is a unsupported arguement since no large companies make an equivalent model and at a lower price. So again, as things currently stand in the world of vaping, your comment that these type of PV's are "overpriced" is not correct or supported with verifiable facts.

 

[Goldenkobold]

When you provide "facts" of how you can build, market, finance, manage and successfully sell a PV of this caliber, at a fraction of the cost currently charged to the public at large, then you will have a real point to make

I never asked "how" a model such as the Provari could be provided at a lower cost.

Honestly don't know what else to say at this point.

 

[JQside]

Soon to be released: 13mm x 43mm

You just hang it on your keychain.

I'd like one of these too. I could see that this is a better compromise than the minis (cigarette size), which were the ones I happened to start with. I don't think we'll ever see an e-cig the size of a real cigarette with a fair amount of battery life. So we need to give up that one and settle for fat batteries that are shorter in length.

Actually, I've also been waiting for the same miniaturized type that you can find in this site:

www.ecigscrewdriver.com The Home of an E Smoking Icon - Hosted by CaveCom

 

[JollyRogers]

I'd like one of these too. I could see that this is a better compromise than the minis (cigarette size), which were the ones I happened to start with. I don't think we'll ever see an e-cig the size of a real cigarette with a fair amount of battery life. So we need to give up that one and settle for fat batteries that are shorter in length.

Actually, I've also been waiting for the same miniaturize type that you can find in this site:

www.ecigscrewdriver.com The Home of an E Smoking Icon - Hosted by CaveCom

That is the same thing BTW. Both the pic and the link you posted are from Trogg. He was the inventor of the ScrewDriver and now is looking at this mini batt with a cartomizer as an ideal out and about option. Auto switch and 300mah batt. Considering I have a cigg lighter on my M/C and a USB power converter, this would be a pretty cool little setup for my bike trips.

 

[JQside]

That is the same thing BTW. Both the pic and the link you posted are from Trogg. He was the inventor of the ScrewDriver and now is looking at this mini batt with a cartomizer as an ideal out and about option. Auto switch and 300mah batt. Considering I have a cigg lighter on my M/C and a USB power converter, this would be a pretty cool little setup for my bike trips.

Yes. All three quarters of development in e-cig tech need to go in that direction - portability with easy refilling system and fair amount of battery life. Shininess needs to be second priority. What good is a shiny, huge e-cig if it's going to look like you're eating a big metallic screwdriver in public? Some tubular type shiny, attractive e-cigs may be smaller, but the refilling system still leaves too much to be desired. You're basically buying shininess at a huge cost.

;-)

 

[JollyRogers]

Personally I like my shininess, thank you very much. Plus I don't care what others think of me in public. I have my own opinion of people also, but keep it to myself - well mostly. Considering I vape a SSGGTS with a UFS when driving or at home, and drip on an aluminum GG when I am out and about. I paid for it, but it is quality, especially the SS model - I challenge you find some nice SS custom made anything on the cheap, it isn't gonna happen. Shop for dinnerware lately? Some of these "expensive" mods have their place, unless you have vaped an atomizer in a UFS, or been able to control your watts on a Darwin (I have only tried one - I have a Provari), I am not sure you would understand. And personally I am willing to pay because I don't have the time nor inclination to build my own. Of course something like the keychain model trogg has come up with has its place also. A two piece is very easy to pre fill a few cartomizers at home and then just change them out when you need to. On the same lines, a bloog model or a Vapor4Lifel 2 piece is a good setup for something that is similar to an analog. I vaped riva and egos for about a year, but the batts are expensive to replace, unlike the batts in my mods. To each his own.

 

[Goldenkobold]

I challenge you find some nice SS custom made anything on the cheap, it isn't gonna happen.

Amazon.com: Cuisinart TOB-40 Custom Classic Toaster Oven Broiler: Kitchen & Dining Heres a nice stainless steal toster oven for 80 bucks do I win a prize?

I really like this 30 dollar stainless steal flashlight though

edit: Also I am not knocking the GG, right now, but they are not custom made. A Grip is custom made, or an Epipemod can be custom made but GG's are individually numbered but made in batches and identical to one another in the same batch.

 

[JollyRogers]

Have you owned anything from Cuisinart? I have. Junk. Nice flashlight, enjoy it, I am sure it was built by someone that built it with pride and care!???

To each his own, I own some cheap and inexpensive e-cigs and some expensive ones. They all have their place. Just like someone rides a scooter vice a Harley Ultra or BMW K1600... or someone vapes an Indulgence vice a Super-T - There is a quality difference, but who cares, they all get the job done - well until they breakdown.

BTW - Feel free to knock the GG, I used to do the same exact thing. My quote "I will never own or pay that much for a PV". I ate my words a year and a half later. I very much enjoy them and that is what matters to me. I also enjoy my e-pipe mod from Matt. It is a work of art and vapes nicely. My work peeps really like it also...

Mods are a cottage industry and will continue as long as this vaping thing goes on and people are willing to pay. I mean really, someone comes out with an idea and they get a ton of PMs and put me on the list comments. :face palm: If you don't want to pay what a builder wants for a mod, don't.

 

[throatkick]

I don't really get the mod thing. I just can't see anything working bett than an ego. Plenty of vape. Plenty of battery life. Small, good looking. I can see the fun in building your own mod, I might do that myself, but I don't see the point in buying one.

Now that they increased it to 4.2 volts, yes. It was the main thing missing from the ego. Still could use improvements but the low voltage was huge.

 

[JQside]

They can do better than focus only on the aesthetic side is all I'm saying. I'm confident they will eventually.

If some business entity can come up with a more complex device like a cordless drill that costs less than a hundred bucks, I don't see any reason why they can't come up with a vaping device which contains nothing more than a battery, a heating element, a switch and an efficient juice feeder. All the extra things like variable voltage, display counters, etc. are not exactly ground-breaking features. For $200+ they *should* have those features.
;-)

 

[throatkick]

I don't have any ability to implement improvement. But I suggest you bring someone in your team who have been smoking for years. Otherwise, they won't understand what you're talking about. They will be like these companies entering the business trying to make a quick buck. They will only focus on the aesthetics, or shininess.

You might want to improve on what's already available, the GLV, V-mod, or anything similar.

Three basic things: portability, reasonable battery lfe and easy refilling system. And maybe with a self-cleaning device later. Of course, most of the e-cigs are portable. The biggest one is probably no bigger than a standard screwdriver. Portable in this case means something you can hide in the palm of your hand. And this can only be accomplished with a box-type mod, the size of which may be slightly bigger than a match or lighter. Which means tank and battery inside the case. Battery life is solved by making them removable. You can then bring spares with you.

Man, I can't vape in public holding a huge screwdriver or a long pen that sticks out on both sides of my hand. Those devices are for home use only.

Thanks for the effort.

;-)

All these were my primary areas of focus. Even with what's available today, there are shortcomings that are extremely obvious.

What ...... me off is that the engineers were making things more complex than they needed to be. These projects require a combination of an engineering background (or willingness to learn), smoking/vaping and "good ole American know how" if that term can even be used anymore. Most actual engineers scoff at these projects.

Anyway, I don't want to come off as sour grapes here. I am just saying whether or not it is justified, producing even a simple mechanism like an e-cig is nowhere near as easy as some make it sound. This will carry over into the price of the PV.

 

[keholman15]

so expensive

 

[Heartisan]

After buying five cheaper mods and having problems with every single one - finally bought a Buzz from classifieds.
Bought the Provari on my one year vape-aversary. Never had a problem with either, and LOVE both. Worth every penny to me. "Expensive" is different to each of us.

I love seeing the advances the modders are coming up with though. I have to stealth vape at work with an Ego, and that tiny box mod looks pretty sweet

 

[ainako]

everyone should have a big battery mechanical mod to fall back on. Having owned a reo grand, ssggts, and preciseplus 18500 (p+18650 en route ). My choice would be the P+ with a GOOD rebuildable atomizer. Luckily for me I have a pair of genisis LVs coming and 4 G-tank-US. After that all I ever have to spend on is kanthal, juice, and batteries every now and then. Spend now to save later, your wallet might hurt a bit. Every time you hit that beaut of a PV, whichever one you choose. You know that it will work every time for a very long time.

 

[cba191]

I think it's a bit of a pointless argument. Are some overpriced? Definitely. Are others worth the extra money? Absolutely. To each his own. For me, it has a bit to do with the whole experience. I used to smoke cigars a lot. There was a lot involved. Some people could enjoy a swisher. I didn't like them. With the cigars, it almost became a ritual. There were different cutters. Different types of cuts. Different torch lighters or sometimes a soft flame. It was whatever mood struck. I get bored without variety. Do I appreciate quality? I do. Speaking for myself, I'd probably get bored with just an ego. I enjoy wooden box mods. I like the way the different woods and grain patterns interact. If I could afford a different mod for every day of the month, I'd have one for every day. If I liked tube mods, it would probably be the same way. Can I go an entire day vaping just one juice? No. That is why I carry a couple with me. I usually have 2 or 3 devices with me at all times.
The only thing that matters to me is that I haven't had a cigarette in 2 months. If I get bored with a mod, I can generally sell it for what I paid and get a different one.
I just think that most of us are doing this for the same reason. We're trying to stay away from analogs. There's a reason there are so many different juice vendors. We don't all like the same thing. It's the same with the devices we use.

 

[kattanib]

Provari all the way