"Experienced Vapers'" SNOBBERY

[treehead]

*Just wanna preface this post with this statement: everyone on this site/forum(s) has been amazing, and not the source of snobbery I'm noticing (it's a very small amount too), It's coming from my homeplace of AK, and various youtube video commments etc.
No hate in this forum everyone , I'm simply starting to notice alot of "hipstery" (hipsters are the one's who think they liked everything "before it was cool" fyi) snobbery coming from some "professional" or "veteran" vapers in my local vapeshops. I really do think it's amazing if you've been vaping for years even a decade or two, because your using the safer nicotine alternative, and way ahead of this growing subculture. However, I've seen alot of "experiencism" for lack of a better word lol . Meaning the professionals are hating on the people that are new to vaping, or hating on their equipment, whether they use cheaper cartos and egos shouldn't really matter to an "elite dripper" (Yes, I was new once, and used the cheapest possible vaping device possible). It's just been popping up around my town alot in the vape shops I've noticed, and there's almost a sense of "get out of my sub-culture, your making it less cool" feel.

I think we could all just a have a vape together, and share the love ; whether it's for technology, health, smelling better, or even the coolness of the growing culture.
Aaaaaand here's a hot girl vaping because why not?
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[Vermonster13]

I still have eGos I use 5 years in. I use lots of gear that I like, doesn't make it better or worse than the choices others make, just the right choices for me. Vape on.

 

[Hypatia]

Hmm, I don't notice any snobbery here. I must not be looking hard enough. I love the New Members, love how New Members who are "veterans" share knowledge, and I love how everyone is "cool" for rocking whatever vape gear floats their own boats.

Sub-ohmers, high end mech modders, cig-alikers, Ego-ers, drippers, tankers, and carto lovers are AWESOME (please let me know if I missed a "sub-culture." I seriously tried to be all-inclusive)! And I think 99.9% of us here agree!

Even Reonauts and Provarinatis coexist and co-mingle out of love, not by decree.

 

[Katya]

What they said. I haven't seen any "hate" from experienced vapers.

We're pretty mellow.

 

[Art02]

No hate in this forum everyone , I'm simply starting to notice alot of "hipstery" (hipsters are the one's who think they liked everything "before it was cool" fyi) snobbery coming from some "professional" or "veteran" vapers. I really do think it's amazing if you've been vaping for years even a decade or two, because your using the safer nicotine alternative, and way ahead of this growing subculture. However, I've seen alot of "experiencism" for lack of a better word lol . Meaning the professionals are hating on the people that are new to vaping, or hating on their equipment, whether they use cheaper cartos and egos shouldn't really matter to an "elite dripper" (Yes, I was new once, and used the cheapest possible vaping device possible). It's just been popping up around my town alot in the vape shops I've noticed, and there's almost a sense of "get out of my sub-culture, your making it less cool" feel.

I think we could all just a have a vape together, and share the love ; whether it's for technology, health, smelling better, or even the coolness of the growing culture.
Aaaaaand here's a hot girl vaping because why not?
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Are you saying that you see this locally at your B&M but not on the ECF? Please advise. Everyone here has been great and they only offer encouragement.

My B&M was decent. Just not that much stuff. Everyone was cool in my opinion.

I haven't sensed the "snobs". But then I am searching for the good in people and ignoring the bad. Maybe your are too sensitive to it?

Vaping is a good thing. I have only met good people associated with it.

 

[jensy]

You know that is not something I see on this forum . Everyone here is very helpful , quick to help and all around just a lot of fun.

 

[Simply Red]

Only good experiences for me as well. I'm always telling new members there's plenty of mighty fine folks here at ECF.

Happy Vaping!!

 

[Hypatia]

Are you saying that you see this locally at your B&M but not on the ECF? Please advise. Everyone here has been great and they only offer encouragement.

My B&M was decent. Just not that much stuff. Everyone was cool in my opinion.

I haven't sensed the "snobs". But then I am searching for the good in people and ignoring the bad. Maybe your are too sensitive to it?

Vaping is a good thing. I have only met good people associated with it.

Hmm, there's a B&M by me that's "like" that. Guess what, they don't get my money. I am too old to put up with "false airs" and "elitism" in any area of my life. That's why I hang out here; lots of good, kind, and smart folks (experienced and inexperienced vapers alike) looking for camaraderie, commiseration, friendship, and sharing! That's why I give my money to ECF!

 

[ElConquistador]

I've been to a few B&M stores that made me feel like an "outsider", for lack of a better word.

 

[CMHero]

I actually agree that there's some elitism among vapors. In my experience, it's less common in areas where it's been around and is more common than where it's newer and starting to grow. I really took the higher end plunge in Cali while I was on leave for my vow renewel. I spent like 4 hours in a shop in the Sacramento area and it was great. The people who worked there and the customers were all very friendly. It didn't matter what mod you were using, or whether you were a cloud chaser, or whatever, the bond was around vaping--this place really was more or less a lounge rather than just a shop. Actually, all four shops I went to were like that.

Well, after my leave ended, I came back to miserable Virginia and a buddy of mine looked at my stuff. He actually talked negatively because the coils weren't perfectly spaced, lol. He would go on and on about it, showing the true donkey within. I eventually got annoyed to the point I returned his jests in kind. I later asked him where he got that mentality from cuz no one outside of maybe VA, cares. Ideally, sure, they'd be evenly spaced all around but it really isn't necessary so long as it works and hits the desired mark you're aiming for.

The shops in the area (Richmond) are also much less inviting. They seem to have an, "Eh, haven't seen you before" kind of attitude that is very unattractive. Several of the employees are barely knowledgeable in their craft and don't bother explaining some of the most basic safety issues regarding ecigs (sub-ohm, non tamper resistant containers and infants, etc). Seems being equipped with the most basic info to make a sale is all that's required.

 

[Art02]

Hmm, there's a B&M by me that's "like" that. Guess what, they don't get my money. I am too old to put up with "false airs" and "elitism" in any area of my life. That's why I hang out here; lots of good, kind, and smart folks (experienced and inexperienced vapers alike) looking for camaraderie, commiseration, friendship, and sharing! That's why I give my money to ECF!

Exactly. I am not sure why they (B&M's) might act like that. It is a business.

The ECF is awesome. I wrote in the past that you needed a reason to quit, a method to quit and a support group. The ECF is the support group. And it is free. And I don't even know what "support" even means. I guess it means that someone else out there went through the exact same situation as you and it turned out Ok. You guys might all be robots and I am the only human conversing with the Forum, but I ain't smoking cigs anymore. Enough said.

Maybe the vape stores make money on the snobs. I would think not.

 

[Katya]

I've been to a few B&M stores that made me feel like an "outsider", for lack of a better word.

This is very unfortunate, indeed.

There are unpleasant people everywhere. I see it here also, on occasion, but that kind of 'elitism' is often coming from neophytes--people who have not gone through all the trials and tribulations real vets have gone through. Many new(er) vapers often think and truly believe that what they are using is "the best" and everything else is not even worth considering. They often tend to be overly enthusiastic in expressing their opinions and they sometimes put down other vapers' preferred devices. I blame it all on their newly found happiness and the deep belief that what works for them must also work for everybody else.

We tend to recommend what we like ourselves. It takes some maturity and knowledge to realize that vapers have different needs. One size does not fit all when it comes to vaping--or anything else, for that matter.

Just smile and ignore.

 

[Susan W.]

I haven't noticed any elitism. Okay, there might be a few but that's expected. Most of the experienced vapers are very helpful here. I've asked some pretty stupidly basic questions and they have always been answered respectfully. At vape shops, that's a different thing. I walked out of one shop because I was told they don't teach woman how to rebuild because they just don't understand.

 

[Katya]

I haven't noticed any elitism. Okay, there might be a few but that's expected. Most of the experienced vapers are very helpful here. I've asked some pretty stupidly basic questions and they have always been answered respectfully. At vape shops, that's a different thing. I walked out of one shop because I was told they don't teach woman how to rebuild because they just don't understand.

Are you joking? Please tell me that you're joking, Susan....

 

[Johnnie Price]

What they said. I haven't seen any "hate" from experienced vapers.

We're pretty mellow.

There's a few around like that. But they are just a few and usually don't stick around too long.

 

[Hypatia]

I haven't noticed any elitism. Okay, there might be a few but that's expected. Most of the experienced vapers are very helpful here. I've asked some pretty stupidly basic questions and they have always been answered respectfully. At vape shops, that's a different thing. I walked out of one shop because I was told they don't teach woman how to rebuild because they just don't understand.

Oh, geez, you mean like me asking which way my 18650 AW IMR's go in the charger? Yeah, I asked that...AND it was respectfully answered in the way I expected from ECF. No, we are NOT stupid, just careful and find double-checking when in doubt the best course of action.

I can't believe you were told you can't build "'cuz yerz a WOOmin." I'd a let them hear a few of my words. I do hope you gave them some words, too! Gee, I'm a woman, and I've learned from men AND women and taught a few things to both, as well. Unfortunately, that type of misogyny is rampant in the world. It's not exclusive to vaping ...

 

[ElConquistador]

Make me a sandwich while I wrap you a new coil.

 

[Hypatia]

Make me a sandwich while I wrap you a new coil.

That's what I say to my husband . Joking, we take care of our own stuff, and own food intake.

 

[ElConquistador]

My wife won't teach me how to make a sandwich, she says I don't understand.

 

[PeppermintPatty]

I haven't noticed any elitism. Okay, there might be a few but that's expected. Most of the experienced vapers are very helpful here. I've asked some pretty stupidly basic questions and they have always been answered respectfully. At vape shops, that's a different thing. I walked out of one shop because I was told they don't teach woman how to rebuild because they just don't understand.

I have never seen any direct snobbery here, I think this is a remarkably cohesive group actually. I do (and maybe this is my own insecurity) feel a bit odd because there are plenty of posts looking down on the set up that I have chosen with my cig a likes. Not everyone wants or needs to evolve from cig a likes, in my case, I think it is a frequency issue. I calculate I go through 2-3ml a day. Compared to many users on here, that is not a lot of juice, and my little batteries last plenty long for me, I have several, I love my little cartridgrs, love my juices, I am a happy girl.

So it is odd to see my cig a likes, for lack of a better word, bashed. I get the feeling that the experienced vapors assume all us sillies who use them will come around eventually and get "a real set up". That mentality, while not overtly hostile, does not always feel good