"Experienced Vapers'" SNOBBERY

[treehead]

I actually agree that there's some elitism among vapors. In my experience, it's less common in areas where it's been around and is more common than where it's newer and starting to grow. I really took the higher end plunge in Cali while I was on leave for my vow renewel. I spent like 4 hours in a shop in the Sacramento area and it was great. The people who worked there and the customers were all very friendly. It didn't matter what mod you were using, or whether you were a cloud chaser, or whatever, the bond was around vaping--this place really was more or less a lounge rather than just a shop. Actually, all four shops I went to were like that.

Well, after my leave ended, I came back to miserable Virginia and a buddy of mine looked at my stuff. He actually talked negatively because the coils weren't perfectly spaced, lol. He would go on and on about it, showing the true donkey within. I eventually got annoyed to the point I returned his jests in kind. I later asked him where he got that mentality from cuz no one outside of maybe VA, cares. Ideally, sure, they'd be evenly spaced all around but it really isn't necessary so long as it works and hits the desired mark you're aiming for.

The shops in the area (Richmond) are also much less inviting. They seem to have an, "Eh, haven't seen you before" kind of attitude that is very unattractive. Several of the employees are barely knowledgeable in their craft and don't bother explaining some of the most basic safety issues regarding ecigs (sub-ohm, non tamper resistant containers and infants, etc). Seems being equipped with the most basic info to make a sale is all that's required.

I'm truly lucky that all my Anchorage, Alaska shops are like family to me , they all are lounges and are totally helpful, fun, and relaxed, their was just this one fat pos bratty kid that came in and ruined everyones time. And basically started telling us why he was right and everyone was wrong, I've also noticed foul comments on youtube reviews and other sources, but not here, yall are the bomb.

BTW I was from Richmond, I'm sorry to hear it's like that

 

[Racehorse]

I walked out of one shop because I was told they don't teach woman how to rebuild because they just don't understand.

oh my Susan, Sheesh, sorry this happened to you

(my 2nd thought was well it gives you some idea that many don't actually say it......but I bet there are plenty who THINK it. ) It would be par for the course around where I live

 

[Racehorse]

But you get what I mean, they almost have this vibe that they know they're cooler than you, or they're on the varsity team and your a towel boy .

I can't even remember back that far, dear. For me that would be um, 40 years ago.

I guess the good news is that most people do "grow up" and out of that kind of stuff. So you should expect things to get better

 

[Katya]

I learned long ago that most people are inferior to me through no fault of there own, so I deal with it and try to raise them up.

 

[treehead]

I haven't noticed any elitism. Okay, there might be a few but that's expected. Most of the experienced vapers are very helpful here. I've asked some pretty stupidly basic questions and they have always been answered respectfully. At vape shops, that's a different thing. I walked out of one shop because I was told they don't teach woman how to rebuild because they just don't understand.

Wow that's effed up, I'd have taken that snob down a peg or two (I'm sure you did though ) at least you didn't waste your time with them. And everyone on this site is awesome, I'm regretting not specifying that I was referring to my home town and poopy youtube comments.

 

[Racehorse]

Now, not to offend those who like these for sport... just the "pic worth a thousand words" thing.

Well at least you can see that there is some serious TALENT and work that goes into constructing that thing. For sure.

However, going out and "buying" vape gear that is pretty much available to the masses, not sure how anyone can find any status in that LOL Some of the modders who build their own stuff here though, now THAT impresses me.

(one of those trucks pulled up next to me at walmart recently, and dwarfed everything around it, except it also had some kind of "armor" on it too ) I have to admit, I was so overwhelmed as to be rendered speechless. And I was a "little" impressed, just because of seeing all the modifications and knowing how many hours of laying under a truck that would require)

 

[Doughboy67]

Hmm, I don't notice any snobbery here. I must not be looking hard enough. I love the New Members, love how New Members who are "veterans" share knowledge, and I love how everyone is "cool" for rocking whatever vape gear floats their own boats.

Sub-ohmers, high end mech modders, cig-alikers, Ego-ers, drippers, tankers, and carto lovers are AWESOME (please let me know if I missed a "sub-culture." I seriously tried to be all-inclusive)! And I think 99.9% of us here agree!

Even Reonauts and Provarinatis coexist and co-mingle out of love, not by decree.

You forgot epipe smokers!!!

Exactly. I am not sure why they (B&M's) might act like that. It is a business.

The ECF is awesome. I wrote in the past that you needed a reason to quit, a method to quit and a support group. The ECF is the support group. And it is free. And I don't even know what "support" even means. I guess it means that someone else out there went through the exact same situation as you and it turned out Ok. You guys might all be robots and I am the only human conversing with the Forum, but I ain't smoking cigs anymore. Enough said.

Maybe the vape stores make money on the snobs. I would think not.

You figured me out but I'm not a robot. Welcome to the Matrix.

This is very unfortunate, indeed.

There are unpleasant people everywhere. I see it here also, on occasion, but that kind of 'elitism' is often coming from neophytes--people who have not gone through all the trials and tribulations real vets have gone through. Many new(er) vapers often think and truly believe that what they are using is "the best" and everything else is not even worth considering. They often tend to be overly enthusiastic in expressing their opinions and they sometimes put down other vapers' preferred devices. I blame it all on their newly found happiness and the deep belief that what works for them must also work for everybody else.

We tend to recommend what we like ourselves. It takes some maturity and knowledge to realize that vapers have different needs. One size does not fit all when it comes to vaping--or anything else, for that matter.

Just smile and ignore.

Well said. I don't try to push my preferences on others. If asked, I'll say what my preferences are but we each have to find what we like. My own wife doesn't even look for the same vape experience as me. Doesn't make her wrong. She just knows what she likes. Nice thing is, she shares her experience with me and me with her. Gives me new ideas I wouldn't have thought of.

I've been in several vape shops here in NC and it seems to me that the proprietors can come off as a bit standoffish at times. That said, I haven't ever gone into a shop that wasn't really busy at all times of day. The clerk is constantly answering questions. It has to get old sometimes. It's not like being on a chat board picking and choosing what to answer. It's their job and they have good days and bad. If they act continually snobby then they are in the wrong line of work.

 

[Zanderist]

The experiences I've had with the local witch's brew (e-liquid and e-cig dist.) place in Manhattan has been mixed feeling. First off getting to the place involves encountering strange odd fellows along the way. Biggest fear I have going in the place is seeing some woman that I find myself crazy attracted to that is capable of making time stand still (the type that's a ten outa ten and makes me feel like a joke in-front of).
On one journey to the place however they had a really good sales associate that was hella good at talking.

A local shop by me is pretty good, but they do give me the vibe of being smarter but I feel they do it with good purpose, in the sense of reminding me I'm not a "know it all" so don't try it here.

 

[treehead]

I saw a new member asking for advice and giving his/her background vaping which entailed the use of Egos and cigalikes and asked not be be "judged" for that. Frankly I was aghast reading that and didn't get it. I posted that I use those and was surprised he/she felt they would be judged. Now I think I get it. I haven't seen much of it here and when I have I've just considered it immaturity but I guess it happens with everything depending on how insecure the person is.



Now, not to offend those who like these for sport... just the "pic worth a thousand words" thing.

LMAO truly worth a thousand words, and I'm guilty of jacking mine up for sport (I swear it's not to make up for anything ). Yeah it's so unnoticeable I only used this topic to post 1 of my 5 new member posts, the vaping community is better than any other hobby community so far, and I want to keep it that way. But once you notice it (and one particular punk at my favorite local vape lounge unfortunately made me start to notice it) you can't unnotice I guess. This site has been 100% AWESOME, NO SNOBBERY whatsoever from ANYONE, but anyone who doubts it, go check out a youtube review lol, like pbusardo's or rip trippers especially, just haters everywhere. Everyone should love eachothers setup, and more importantly your own, so don't make people doubt ya know?

 

[treehead]

oh my Susan, Sheesh, sorry this happened to you

(my 2nd thought was well it gives you some idea that many don't actually say it......but I bet there are plenty who THINK it. ) It would be par for the course around where I live

I'm sorry chivalry is shriveling up and in the fetile position, but for the record I'm trying to keep it going. Damn sexism even in the vaping community .

 

[treehead]

I can't even remember back that far, dear. For me that would be um, 40 years ago.

I guess the good news is that most people do "grow up" and out of that kind of stuff. So you should expect things to get better

Thank goodness right? I just used that metaphor because it was oh so fitting haha, everyone knows that football player. I've never held respect for those kinds of people, and I even played on the team myself!

 

[treehead]

Exactly. I am not sure why they (B&M's) might act like that. It is a business.

The ECF is awesome. I wrote in the past that you needed a reason to quit, a method to quit and a support group. The ECF is the support group. And it is free. And I don't even know what "support" even means. I guess it means that someone else out there went through the exact same situation as you and it turned out Ok. You guys might all be robots and I am the only human conversing with the Forum, but I ain't smoking cigs anymore. Enough said.

Maybe the vape stores make money on the snobs. I would think not.

My thoughts exactly, perfect way to describe ECF, I unfortunately forgot to mention I wasnt referring to this site at all, just crappy attitude related youtube comments mostly, and one particular "know it all" at my favorite vape lounge gathering place, most vapers I've met are my friends now, more like family.

 

[AndriaD]

(hipsters are the one's who think they liked everything "before it was cool" fyi)

Yes but I really did read Dracula in 1971, approx 30-35 yrs before all the tweenagers saw the Twilight movies and decided they had INVENTED the vampire cult... Many of them didn't even bother reading the books first. I was "goth" long before goth was anything other than "that weird girl with all the dark eye makeup."

Seriously... I know what you mean, and I have even noticed just a *touch* of it here and there, on this forum... but not much, you're right. I was one who had to, just had to, have a cigalike when I started, so I got an eRoll. Now I have an iTaste vv3 and that eRoll tastes anemic, but it got me to the point of quitting, and today when I was going off my nut pining for the ECF, I even got the eRoll back out just so I could feel something cigalike in my hand. So it's a useful little device even if the taste is pretty weak. If a person new to vaping just insisted they really must have something the size and shape of a cigarette, I would have no hesitation recommending it, even knowing that a great deal more taste is available in something less cigalike that costs about the same.

At least I didn't smoke.

Andria

 

[Fisheeboy]

*Just wanna preface this post with this statement: everyone on this site/forum(s) has been amazing, and not the source of snobbery I'm noticing (it's a very small amount too), It's coming from my homeplace of AK, and various youtube video commments etc.
No hate in this forum everyone , I'm simply starting to notice alot of "hipstery" (hipsters are the one's who think they liked everything "before it was cool" fyi) snobbery coming from some "professional" or "veteran" vapers in my local vapeshops. I really do think it's amazing if you've been vaping for years even a decade or two, because your using the safer nicotine alternative, and way ahead of this growing subculture. However, I've seen alot of "experiencism" for lack of a better word lol . Meaning the professionals are hating on the people that are new to vaping, or hating on their equipment, whether they use cheaper cartos and egos shouldn't really matter to an "elite dripper" (Yes, I was new once, and used the cheapest possible vaping device possible). It's just been popping up around my town alot in the vape shops I've noticed, and there's almost a sense of "get out of my sub-culture, your making it less cool" feel.

I think we could all just a have a vape together, and share the love ; whether it's for technology, health, smelling better, or even the coolness of the growing culture.
Aaaaaand here's a hot girl vaping because why not?
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LMAO! Hey, atleast you went back and edited your original post. I got to read it after the edit and it didn't take me to long to figure out what you added as your edit. I commend you on attempting to clean it up even if it was several hours after the original post . By the way, I happen to really dislike hipsters

 

[johnspack]

It's funny anyone would think like that about vaping, for me.... I just started vaping to quit smoking after 40 years because cancer has now taken both my mother and father. My fairly simple rig of a 1300mah xl and a mini-Davide is already futuristic enough I mostly hide it in my little town. I got what I have because it does what I need to not smoke ever again. A rig with digital readouts and software would be nice, but will it do any more to keep me off the cancer train? Nope.... We all get what we want mostly, and what we need always. If some want a little bling, so be it. Nothing to brag about in the end....

 

[Racehorse]

I happen to really dislike hipsters

i heard somebody use the term "vapefamous". Cracked me up!

 

[treehead]

No one may admit it, but ciga-likes are just .....in cool. They can give you the same amount of nicotine if you puff on them long enough, and no one even has to notice it; until that intriguing light comes on at the tip of it, and you smell a field of cherries emanating from them . Now I take pride in pulling out my olympic baton sized rig at the movie theater though , a smoking device that I could disarm a robber with lmao. I still use my blu-cigs while I'm reading in bed so I don't leak or flood, you can smoke those while doing backflips on a snowboard .

 

[treehead]

Lol yeah I vaguely said it with the "no hate in this forum", but forgot to mention the attitudes came from a dude that ruined a day at the vape lounge, and youtube .

 

[AndriaD]

No one may admit it, but ciga-likes are just .....in cool. They can give you the same amount of nicotine if you puff on them long enough, and no one even has to notice it; until that intriguing light comes on at the tip of it, and you smell a field of cherries emanating from them . Now I take pride in pulling out my olympic baton sized rig at the movie theater though , a smoking device that I could disarm a robber with lmao. I still use my blu-cigs while I'm reading in bed so I don't leak or flood, you can smoke those while doing backflips on a snowboard .

heh.. the other day I considered taking my eRoll with me when I had to go out, it being so much easier to handle when driving than an iTaste with a full tank... but taste won out, I took the iTaste even if I had to stick it between my legs like a skinny soda can.

Couldn't abide the Blus, but if I was between a rock and a hard place called smoking, I'd definitely get an Njoy. Tastes like a Hall's cough drop, but will neither give me cancer nor persuade my brain cells that smoking isn't really so bad.

Andria

 

[Kim B.]

I haven't seen any snobbery, unless it's directed at Provari users.

And here's a hot guy vaping because why not?

Just showing my appreciation for Coelli's fine post......