Explosion at Vape Blast

[zoiDman]

Until the next explosion...


It seems some people in this thread are not recognizing how LUCKY everyone involved in this incident really is.
It is pretty amazing that nobody got hurt when you think about it.

Very True.

And think if Someone had Gotten a Piece of mod Shrapnel in the Neck? Or if the Dudes mod had Blown of 3 of his Fingers.

Venues are sometimes Leery about Renting Out their Space for Events where People have had their Fingers Blown Off.

 

[Berylanna]

And of course there is the timeless EBKAC error...
Error between keyboard and chair

Or the Eye-Dee ten-T error.

I have a King clone I got at auction and I can't tell if it's even vented. And I've read in the comments here and/or on P. Busardo's comments that drilling holes in the bottom won't help because batts vent from the top, and swell and block the venting from the bottom vents. So I am TRYING to be well-aware, safe, and educated, and I still have no idea WTH I'm doing. And without this incident, I would have assumed the mod itself is safe if I used it right (Normally 2.2+ ohms and less than 7 watts) This mod does not have the bottom holes visible in pictures of the original King.

 

[TomGeorge]

IMO, people should be forced to take an IQ test before procreating! With a minimum score (100 is "average") required or they get sterilized! Because stupid people BREED TOO FAST!!!

Andria

This is meant rhetorically as a joke right?

 

[Ryedan]

No.

There are millions of people on this planet that aren't the least bit aware that batteries are dangerous.
And those people are NOT stupid, they just have never been MADE aware.

Some people here seem to think it's obvious or something.
Well, I hate to break it to you, but it's not.

This, thank you DC2 !!!!

Go to the supermarket, a movie, anywhere there are a lot of people from all walks of life. Show 100 people a AA lithium battery and a cell phone battery and ask them if these are completely safe or if they can be dangerous. How many people would answer they can be dangerous? How many would know what the dangers are?

Yes, in a perfect world everyone would know this stuff, but it's not a perfect world. Think about this too; even with as many people on ECF who know that when a charger does not stop charging a Li-ion battery the battery can start a fire and/or explode, a surprising number of people still continue to leave their batteries on charge overnight. Some claim that because they also accept the risks of driving a car and not turning off the electricity in their house when they leave, unattended battery charging is a risk worth taking.

But some people are willing to learn and those people need to be exposed to battery information. Thinking it is up to them to educate themselves is assuming they know they need to do that in this case. The only way that would be true is if everyone already knew that batteries can be dangerous and we all know that's not true

 

[AndriaD]

No.

There are millions of people on this planet that aren't the least bit aware that batteries are dangerous.
And those people are NOT stupid, they just have never been MADE aware.

Some people here seem to think it's obvious or something.
Well, I hate to break it to you, but it's not.

You're absolutely right. I've used all sorts of batteries my whole life, but I had never given a single thought to the fact of how much energy is encased in that little bundle -- and that any force, under pressure, is enormously greater.

Then I read the Battery safety article here, and saw a couple videos of what happens when a battery explodes. It gave me a whole new appreciation of these little miracles, and how dangerous they can be -- and encouraged me to wait a little, and learn a lot, before getting into the mech world.

I showed my husband that video posted in this thread of a deliberately-overcharged battery exploding... he was every bit as appalled as any sensible person would be -- SHOULD be.

These things are NOT TOYS, and should NOT be treated as if they are. "Batteries for dummies" would be just one sentence: DON'T USE THEM.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

This is meant rhetorically as a joke right?

Of course. But I've thought it for years. My husband and I, both with IQs above 145, have one child. We knew a couple in Michigan whose COMBINED IQ probably wasn't 145 -- who had 5 children.

It's no wonder at all that there are so many stupid people. They apparently don't know where babies come from.

Andria

 

[exnihilo]

Internet tests don't count.

Tapa-shutup

 

[TomGeorge]

Of course. But I've thought it for years. My husband and I, both with IQs above 145, have one child. We knew a couple in Michigan whose COMBINED IQ probably wasn't 145 -- who had 5 children.

It's no wonder at all that there are so many stupid people. They apparently don't know where babies come from.

Andria

I thought so. I have seen your post everywhere and 95% of the time agree with and enjoy them so I wanted to make sure! because that idea although fun to talk about, in actuality, would essentially be genocide, and I didnt want to accuse you of being hitler. (sorry if I am being to serious and literal, I have been on edge lately with everything happening in the country and in the world causing me to be a bit fired up.)

On a lighter note, I agree that stupid people do breed more then they should. With that being said, smart people know this, yet still only decide to have one maybe two children, and the problem worsens

 

[DC2]

Okay, I have never gone down this road in my five years on ECF but I will now for the sake of this topic...
And I do not mean to be a ........., even if I may sound like one...

But...

I have a 165 IQ and I graduated with honors from UCSD.
I majored in psychology, but minored in physics and philosophy.

And for all of that, I did not know that batteries were dangerous.
Yes, that's right, even as a physics minor it just never occurred to me.

But I can tell you about the Theory of Relativity theory if you are interested.


And even if it had occurred to me, I would have assumed that the manufacturers had taken the proper precautions to eliminate the possibility of catastrophe.
But the fact is that these steps have not fully been taken, perhaps because such steps are not even possible.

The real problem is that the consumers have not been appropriately notified.
That's the bottom line.

You can call consumers in general stupid, and you might be right.
But if your tried to call me stupid, you'd be wrong.

I only found out how dangerous batteries can be from being here on this forum.
Why I was so oblivious to this I can not say, but I was.

I charge my Ego Twists and Vision Spinners in a LiPo bag, because I was MADE aware of the dangers involved here on this forum.
I don't want an uncontained fire in my home.

I doubt that even 20% of the people on the street are aware that batteries can be dangerous.

And I hate that I had to post this, because I know I must sound like a ..........
And I apologize in advance to the extent that I may seem to be one.

Because I hate douchebags.


But if I need to be a ......... to make this point, then I will.
It's a very important point, and well worth making.

 

[Herzeleid14]

I "know" that big guy, Josh Wilson,lives in the asme aera i do, seen him at a B&M near my work. he sold my buddy a home made mech that the button would get REALLY hot after just a few hits. thankfully hes not using that it anymore.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Would you go to a car safety show? or a football safety show? or a how to eat safety show? people crash, people get paralyzed and or die early because of football injuries and people choke and die or have allergic reactions and die.

I am pretty sure that there are no safety meetings or warnings for that are more than "professional driver on a closed course, do not attempt" in faded letters at the bottom of the screen.

SNIP

not disagreeing with the gist of what you are saying, but...

When you learn to drive you get a learner's permit to learn how to drive safely. Schools also have driver's ed classes. You are then tested to get a license to prove you have learned to drive safely. Dive stupidly after that and you are held accountable for your actions. Football. Little league, recesses at school is monitored for safety, after school sports teach safety, junior high, high school, college are all teaching safety. When the big boys play dangerously and hurt someone, it's broadcast around the world and their punishment published widely.Allergies. You wouldn't believe how misinformed (or stupid) some food sellers are. When you have a fatal allergy you learn to be skeptical fast. Those that kill their patrons by negligence (or stupidity) lose their business and bank accounts, unless, of course, they are a big chain.

When I worked for the USFS they left their radio batteries charging 24/7. Don't know if they still do. When I came here I knew squat about batteries except some cell phone batteries went boom. I din't worry about leaving egos on a charger overnight or while I was out of the house. Still freaks me out what might have happened. Promptly got a bag and treat those charging puppies like a doting mother. Battery safety information needs to be stressed, not just for ecigs, and and then if people act stupid it's on them.

 

[TomGeorge]

not disagreeing with the gist of what you are saying, but...

When you learn to drive you get a learner's permit to learn how to drive safely. Schools also have driver's ed classes. You are then tested to get a license to prove you have learned to drive safely. Dive stupidly after that and you are held accountable for your actions. Football. Little league, recesses at school is monitored for safety, after school sports teach safety, junior high, high school, college are all teaching safety. When the big boys play dangerously and hurt someone, it's broadcast around the world and their punishment published widely.Allergies. You wouldn't believe how misinformed (or stupid) some food sellers are. When you have a fatal allergy you learn to be skeptical fast. Those that kill their patrons by negligence (or stupidity) lose their business and bank accounts, unless, of course, they are a big chain.

When I worked for the USFS they left their radio batteries charging 24/7. Don't know if they still do. When I came here I knew squat about batteries except some cell phone batteries went boom. I din't worry about leaving egos on a charger overnight or while I was out of the house. Still freaks me out what might have happened. Promptly got a bag and treat those charging puppies like a doting mother. Battery safety information needs to be stressed, not just for ecigs, and and then if people act stupid it's on them.

Very good point and well worded. I agree that battery safety should be stressed a lot more then it is, but I think people she be held more accountable unless it is specifically a faulty battery. Knowledge is key. I think people just assume that batteries are fine because they have been around and used in everyday household items for a long long time. I never gave it a second thought until I wanted to get into mechs and joined ECF.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I reacted the same way HR. Just waiting for it to go bad and wondering if the battery was going to pop quietly, or go with a bang.

This kind of stupidity isn't restricted to vaping, it's from lack of intelligence and can come out in many ways. It didn't take me long to figure out this next guy was not the sharpest tool in the shed just from what he said. Then he put the shell in the gun and I knew what was going to happen next and I don't know guns. Talk about on the edge of my seat! Check this out for a sick laugh: https :// www. youtube.com/watch?v=4nNV1yODY4c

Had to cut/paste that link and only made it to one minute before I needed a tranquilizer.

 

[AndriaD]

I thought so. I have seen your post everywhere and 95% of the time agree with and enjoy them so I wanted to make sure! because that idea although fun to talk about, in actuality, would essentially be genocide, and I didnt want to accuse you of being hitler. (sorry if I am being to serious and literal, I have been on edge lately with everything happening in the country and in the world causing me to be a bit fired up.)

On a lighter note, I agree that stupid people do breed more then they should. With that being said, smart people know this, yet still only decide to have one maybe two children, and the problem worsens

I think it's probably because they're intelligent enough to know how many children they can realistically support; the less intelligent are less likely to consider ramifications of any sort, but especially long-range ones like the ~18 yrs required to raise a child. I do wish we'd had at least 2, but it never happened, so we have one, and pragmatically, I don't know how we'd have afforded a second one; just the one seemed to have his hand out every 5 minutes, and of course there are all those things that kids don't "see" but do go into the whole equation -- the quality of one's neighborhood, the quality and quantity of food, medical care, education, and time spent with the child -- some intangible, some not, but all with a pricetag -- less intelligent people don't take those things into consideration at all.

Increasing the quality of sex education would go a long way, and not just the birds and bees stuff either, but the 'sexual politics' that a woman, let's say a single mother, even today does not make as much money as a man in the identical job. The fact that a woman requires a support system to create and then raise a child, because there is going to be some part of that that's going to mean she can't work. And the more babies she has, the more that time is multiplied. All these factors and so many others go into the "cost" of raising a child, but very few have an understanding of them, with their first child; the intelligent ones observe and learn from that observation, the less intelligent ones do not, they just go on breeding mindlessly.

Andria

 

[Ozwald]

Just Like No One is Talking about the FDA Anymore.

Who ?

Who What ?

That Canadian Fire Dept you were talking about. The FD, eh?

 

[Dusty_D]

That Canadian Fire Dept you were talking about. The FD, eh?

 

[ProjektMayhem]

Very good point and well worded. I agree that battery safety should be stressed a lot more then it is, but I think people she be held more accountable unless it is specifically a faulty battery. Knowledge is key. I think people just assume that batteries are fine because they have been around and used in everyday household items for a long long time. I never gave it a second thought until I wanted to get into mechs and joined ECF.

Yeah, IMO I think when you go to a B&M store and you're buying mechs and coil stuff, RDA's and stuff like that they should be hesitant to sell it unless they know you know the safety. People not knowing anything about safety are the ones that are going to get our vape gear banned by the good ole FDA because they know what's good for us. I'm so tired of hearing about people building pipe bombs! They see people on Youtube blowing massive clouds and they want to do it too but don't know the saftey aspect of it and that's where it gets dangerous.

 

[vapero]

Yeah, IMO I think when you go to a B&M store and you're buying mechs and coil stuff, RDA's and stuff like that they should be hesitant to sell it unless they know you know the safety. People not knowing anything about safety are the ones that are going to get our vape gear banned by the good ole FDA because they know what's good for us. I'm so tired of hearing about people building pipe bombs! They see people on Youtube blowing massive clouds and they want to do it too but don't know the saftey aspect of it and that's where it gets dangerous.

do you need a license to use remote control cars that use lipo batts? or modern pro flashlights? they are just a dangerous as our bats the only diference is that both of those are mainly hobbys and ours is a mix between hobby and Smoking cessation aid so...

I also didn't know the first thing about batts before I got here.

It is really hard to educate the public about it, we all have a lot of batteries and use them every day and never though of the power they have..

a couple of years back I had a cellphone that went haywire on my pocket and burnt me, still after that I didn't give batts a second thought

 

[vapero]

do you need a license to use remote control cars that use lipo batts? or modern pro flashlights? they are just a dangerous as our bats the only diference is that both of those are mainly hobbys and ours is a mix between hobby and Smoking cessation aid so...

I also didn't know the first thing about batts before I got here.

It is really hard to educate the public about it, we all have a lot of batteries and use them every day and never though of the power they have..

a couple of years back I had a cellphone that went haywire on my pocket and burnt me, still after that I didn't give batts a second thought

wow that sounds like a random string of thoughts, sorry folks I have a huge headache so my mind is a little fussy

 

[Berylanna]

A city could easily ban remote-control cars on sidewalks and in restaurants without creating problems for remote-control car users. The same cannot be said of vaping. I NEED MY VAPE. More often than combustibles because the absorption is slower.

So don't know how we'll do it but we can't afford to injure bystanders.

People who go to car races and airshows and vape meets have done so voluntarily. Not so people who go shopping and eating, at least not with the same implied acceptance of risk.