Extra flavor, and, max vg ???
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Errr, you're in "standard window" territory. There is no generally speaking to extra flavoring. They could call it "new and improved" instead and it'd mean the same thing.
Max VG means no plain PG is in the mix so all the PG content comes from flavoring. Flavoring % is all over the map. My mixes range from 0.35% to 35% flavoring. I have no idea what most vendors' flavoring ranges are.
Max VG means no plain PG is in the mix so all the PG content comes from flavoring. Flavoring % is all over the map. My mixes range from 0.35% to 35% flavoring. I have no idea what most vendors' flavoring ranges are.
It's matter of taste, make it however you want, but I think the flavoring is the least safe component by far (but of course the tastiest). MAX VG could mean %100 VG if they use VG based flavors (which don't carry flavor as well as PG or alcohol), but it could also mean the flavors are alcohol based. I think %15 is about standard for flavor added, so if you get MAX VG with an alcohol based flavor at %20, it's still 80 vg 20 alcohol (well maybe something like %19.8 alohol and the other %.2 is the actual flavor compunds, same goes for the actual nicotine "space" taken up in a %100VG nicotine concentrate if you want to get technical). And the alcohol might be as harsh as the PG so sort of a gimmick to say %100VG (but good for those who are allergic to PG but not alcohol).
VG max would be 100% VG flavoring and base but there really is no such thing. maybe 99.5% if flavor solids added to VG to make up VG flavoring is take into account. But that would likely be to thick to vape anyway. The usual common norm is 80% vg. Even at that you would likely need to add a thinner for it to wick properly. I think max VG was just a phrase used by some mixer one day to describe that they wanted as little PG as possible in there mix and it just caught on.
Extra flavor would be what ever you request or the vendor decides to use there is no set standards.
So to answer your question simply if you asked for a max vg mix with extra flavor you would get an 80/20 over flavored mix. Could even be less depending on how much PG flavor is used.
Extra flavor would be what ever you request or the vendor decides to use there is no set standards.
So to answer your question simply if you asked for a max vg mix with extra flavor you would get an 80/20 over flavored mix. Could even be less depending on how much PG flavor is used.
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Well, as far as the 80/20 goes, I've mixed a couple of bottles of my own 80/20 and it's real close to the same viscosity as "max vg" that I've gotten from a couple of local shops.
And.....I don't have any problems with 80/20 in my subtanks.
Guess I'm just going to have to up the percentages of flavor until it tastes better.
And.....I don't have any problems with 80/20 in my subtanks.
Guess I'm just going to have to up the percentages of flavor until it tastes better.
It's a myth that you need more flavor for VG or Max VG if you use the correct amount all that's needed is more time to mature. Also if the mix is to thick then that will also reduce flavor and vapor production..
Read this thread and particulary my post towards the bottom of the first page
DIY e juice help?
Read this thread and particulary my post towards the bottom of the first page
DIY e juice help?
Let me clarify again:
I am asking if there is a standard, or, general value for "max vg". That I am only curious about because my juice seems to always be in the 80/20 range, which I have NO problems with vaping, juice flow, or vapor production.
I was just curious to know if there was a value that was standard for when someone says "max vg".
As far as "extra flavor", there too, only curious to know if there was a "general value" that is added to the base values. Obviously for people that DIY, that value could be solely dependent on that person's tastes, but, in shops, is there a blanket percentage value added when someone asks for "extra flavor"?
For example, a local shop where I was getting "banana cream pie", I was asking for "extra flavor" because the "standard" values did not give me that strong banana flavor that I like. So if their standard value for the Banana cream flavor concentrate is 3%, then me asking for "extra" is adding what percent more to the 3%.
Finally, I'm not trying to be an ... here, but I thought my first post asking these questions was quite simple.
There really are no standards just individual interpetations. Most shop owners are just like us and started out just like us. They all have there own forumla's and there own standards. I'm sure for the big chains such as B&M they have there standards but it's just that THERE STANDARDS and procedures. From what you describe as far as a lack of taste and vaper I think dilution with water may apply here. you can experiment with a small amount of your store bought juice.
I would think more flavor would mean the same as a double shot which more flavor is commonly refered to as, or twice the amount, but I found that depending on the flavoring they use for instance TFA. A double shot above the recommended percentage may actually reduce flavor.
As far as you being a PITA no one here thinks that and your question is a common question and very valid. I think the responces you've gotten thus far are right on target and please if there is somthing your not understanding or need clearification on please keep asking. Maybe it is us that are not quite getting what your asking.
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I made a 30ml bottle of "Banana Taffy" from the e-liguid site. It's flavor is spot on with the Banana Cream Pie.
Only issue with it is that the flavor is not as strong as I like.
Next bottle I make, I might try doing the flavors 125%
Only issue with it is that the flavor is not as strong as I like.
Next bottle I make, I might try doing the flavors 125%
Now were getting some where. It would help if you post the exact recipe (That is allowed here) This way we can help or make recommendations on what your doing. post it in this format.
base compostition 80/20 12mg NIC + how much are you diluting (%)
flavor 1 10% (flavor name and mfg)
flavor 2 5%
flavor 3 6%
etc.....
and we can go from there.
I don't quite get what you mean by flavors 125%
The percentages look pretty good but your using TPA flavorings which do need time to mature expecially the sweet cream and cheese cake so I would either wait a week or two to see what developes or warm the mix in a crock pot for a few hours on low to hasten steeping. If still not good try upping the flavors that seem week by a percent or 2. The over all recipe seems reasonable to me. I would also add 5% distilled water as your about 85% VG.
I think I know what you're asking now. You asking if there's a blanket % + more when asking for "xtra flavor". The answer is probably around %20 more. If normally the flavor is added at %15, but you asked for Extra Flavor, I think they'd add around %18-%20 as flavor (instead of normal at %15). But keep in mind that a lot of flavors are stronger than others, as Hoosier mentioned his flavor sources vary in the mix from 0.35% to 35% flavoring. %0.35 is very minute. Either he's purposely trying to not have a lot of flavor, or the flavor source is just that strong. In other words, just play around, don't go filling a 30ml bottle half way up with flavoring and then fill the rest with VG and a little bit of liquid nicotine. Also, the flavor might mature so less could be more (or more could be too much once it matures). I did actually yesterday fill a 5ml bottle half way with flavor concentrate, and then filled the rest with pure VG and a few drops of VG based 100mg nic. Yesterday it wasn't too bad, already today though it's tasting yucky.
you can't really go wrong with DIY - as long as you don't sicken yourself by mistakenly putting way too much nicotine. Worst case scenario is you find you want to add more or less of each component. Enjoy
you can't really go wrong with DIY - as long as you don't sicken yourself by mistakenly putting way too much nicotine. Worst case scenario is you find you want to add more or less of each component. Enjoy
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