Extra Shots?
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Welcome to ECF! I have ordered extra shots in the past. It works very well with some flavors and not so well with others. I will order a small bottle with the extra shots before a buy a larger bottle.
Don't get extra shots with coffee/espresso flavors...it doesn't work the same way. LOL
Some flavors are muted in my experience, and that extra dose of flavoring helps bring them out. I've only personally seen one company do this, and it was only available for their 120ml size, though I'm sure there are others out there with other options.
Some flavors are muted in my experience, and that extra dose of flavoring helps bring them out. I've only personally seen one company do this, and it was only available for their 120ml size, though I'm sure there are others out there with other options.
Hi there Hardtotop
I've asked for extra flavor from a number of different suppliers. When they specify the additional % being added you can even combine that with higher nic in order to be able to dilute it back to what you may otherwise have ordered thus getting more volume of the same juice for less money.
I've never worried about the VG/PG ratio though as I go for max VG anyway. However you may or may not be right about shots effecting the ratio, I suspect it depends on the vendor. If they are custom making your order then they will simply adjust the components accordingly. If they are simply adding the shots to pre-made juice then the final result will have a slightly higher PG content. I doubt it would be noticeable though.
I've asked for extra flavor from a number of different suppliers. When they specify the additional % being added you can even combine that with higher nic in order to be able to dilute it back to what you may otherwise have ordered thus getting more volume of the same juice for less money.
I've never worried about the VG/PG ratio though as I go for max VG anyway. However you may or may not be right about shots effecting the ratio, I suspect it depends on the vendor. If they are custom making your order then they will simply adjust the components accordingly. If they are simply adding the shots to pre-made juice then the final result will have a slightly higher PG content. I doubt it would be noticeable though.
Yeah it doesn't make sense to me, because I would think that a max VG would be watered down with the extra flavour shots. Like how could I Vape it if it were 60% flavouring? Right?
I'll do a test run and see how it turns out.
Thanks for the excellent reply.
Yeah it doesn't make sense to me, because I would think that a max VG would be watered down with the extra flavour shots. Like how could I Vape it if it were 60% flavouring? Right?
I'll do a test run and see how it turns out.
Thanks for the excellent reply.
Just like nicotine, flavouring is actually a very concentrated chemical mixed into PG or VG, so when you're buying flavouring for DIY, it's already mixed. So these companies probably have their flavour mixed forehand and simply add to whatever the client orders (VG/PG ratio).
So it will NOT be watered down.
If it was 60% flavouring, it would be so strong that you'd have trouble vaping it, but it would still be 60% of whatever the suspension liquid (VG or PG) being used would be with a very high ratio of concentrate.
I've tried extra flavor shots a few times. As I remember, I was always disappointed...
I use to stray away for companies that did this on the following reasons.
1. If they sold a great juice in the first place there should be no reason to charge or have a option for extra flavor.
2. Since starting mixing myself I have found more flavor can actually mute flavor, Or make for a very off tasting and unbalanced recipe.
3. Most Commercial juice is loaded with coil gunking sweeteners let alone any flavor that gunks too.
1. If they sold a great juice in the first place there should be no reason to charge or have a option for extra flavor.
2. Since starting mixing myself I have found more flavor can actually mute flavor, Or make for a very off tasting and unbalanced recipe.
3. Most Commercial juice is loaded with coil gunking sweeteners let alone any flavor that gunks too.
I always thought a juice should be as good as it can be without needing flavor shots etc... , if you have not sampled the juice before whats the point of adding flavor shots , you have no idea if it needs it or not .
Flavor shots are just an additional $ maker for vendors that offer them.
Flavor shots are just an additional $ maker for vendors that offer them.
Order with extra shot, a little higher nic level and higher pg,
then add 50% VG when you get it to cut everything back down
You will be 1/2 way to DIY and It's like getting 50% more juice for free
then add 50% VG when you get it to cut everything back down
You will be 1/2 way to DIY and It's like getting 50% more juice for free
Before I started using unflavored, I used to order extra shots and 2X nic level then cut it with vg/pg to save $$.
Heathers Heavenly Vapes offered ( offers still?) extra flavor shots... I always ordered mine with a 2X flavor shot level at 100VG 36 nic
You just use less plain PG in the mix. Most flavorings are primarily PG-based, and so are just counted towards the PG total in a final mix. So if you up the flavoring percentage, you just drop the added PG by the same amount and you end up at (basically) the same ratio. A simple recipe might look something like this, for 100ml of 50/50 at 6mg/ml:I don't really understand how they can add more flavour without throwing off the VG/PG ratio.
Thanks for any input on this.
50ml VG
34ml PG
10ml "flavoring"
6ml "nicotine juice"
...but remember, the "flavoring" and "nicotine juice" are not pure ingredients. Flavor is usually in a PG base, and nicotine can come in either PG, VG, or a mix of both. Many people use PG-based nicotine because it makes the math easier (just call everything that isn't VG "PG"), and a concentration of 10%, or 100mg/ml, is common among DIY and professional mixers alike. So when broken into its constituent parts, that looks more like this:
"VG":
- 50ml pure VG
"PG":
- 34ml pure PG
"Flavoring" - 10ml of a solution of flavor molecules in a PG base consisting of approximately:
- 1ml flavor molecules
- 9ml PG
"Nicotine juice" - 6ml of a solution of 10% freebase nicotine in a PG base consisting of:
- .6ml freebase nicotine
- 5.4ml PG
...and lumping all the PG back into one place it would be:
50.0ml VG
48.4ml PG
1.0ml flavoring molecules
0.6ml freebase nicotine
If you used twice the flavoring (+10ml "flavoring"; really +1ml flavor molecules, +9ml PG) and took out that much plain PG (-10ml PG) you end up with:
50.0ml VG
47.4ml PG
2.0ml flavoring molecules
0.6ml freebase nicotine
So you can see the actual amount of PG has changed very little, since most of what was taken out as "PG" was put right back in as "flavoring," and the VG and nic amounts have not changed at all. Both of these liquids would be called "50/50" on the label, even though neither one of them actually contains exactly 50% PG.
Yeah, that's exactly why "Max VG" is labeled "Max" and not any particular percentage. It will change from juice to juice depending on the specific amount of flavor used in that particular recipe. They put in whatever nicotine and flavoring solutions they need, and then all the rest is VG with no additional PG (besides what is already in the nic and flavoring). So taking my same simple recipe from before, but in a "Max VG" blend:Yeah it doesn't make sense to me, because I would think that a max VG would be watered down with the extra flavour shots. Like how could I Vape it if it were 60% flavouring? Right?
I'll do a test run and see how it turns out.
Thanks for the excellent reply.
"Nicotine Juice" - 6ml of a 10% solution:
- .6ml nicotine
- 5.4ml PG
"Flavor: - 10ml of an (approximately, it varies from flavor to flavor and from brand to brand) 10% solution:
- 1ml flavor molecules
- 9ml PG
"PG" - no added PG
- 0ml PG
"VG" - all the rest, so 100ml minus the 16ml that you've put in already:
- 84ml VG
That works out to 84% VG:
84.0ml VG
14.4ml PG
1.0ml flavor molecules
0.6ml nicotine
With twice the flavor, you're adding 10ml of "stuff" which consists of 1ml flavor molecules and 9ml PG, and you have no PG to take out so you have to take out 10ml VG to make room. You end up with:
74.0ml VG
23.4ml PG
2.0ml flavor molecules
0.6ml nicotine
So yes, additional flavor "shots" (assuming they're PG-based, which most of them are) will affect the maximum possible VG:PG ratio of the final mix. If you're aiming for that maximum, they will affect your outcome. If the ratio you desire is less than the maximum, as in the juice has some plain PG added to it already, then it's not a problem; you add in more flavor, and less use less plain PG to compensate.
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