Extracting flavor from REAL fruit.

[vancity]

Has anyone tried/heard of extraction of flavor from a real fruit? I mean litterally getting some fruit that is juicy like an orange or strawberry and juicing it/squeezing it and using that in e-juice? Do you think it would be safe/work?

Thanks.

 

[tsunami987]

I highly doubt it would be effective... Mostly due to the sugar and such. Now... a lot of people DO extract flavor from coffee/tobacco/tea etc etc... But I think it'd be more difficult with fruit. The only way id say it could be done is with maybe chopping some up and letting it sit in PGA for a month or so. Might be a thin/clean enough mixture to flavor some juice then.

 

[donnah]

Seems like it would be difficult to do without it fermenting.

 

[Chopper71]

Seems like it would be difficult to do without it fermenting.

Police Officer....'' Sir have you been drinking tonight?" Driver..."No sir Ive been vaping"lol...

 

[vancity]

Correct me if im wrong here since i dont really know much about tea lol but tea is dried leaves of the tea plant and that plant too produces sugar. Not sure about tobacco but perhaps that does too ? If we dry these then steep them and it works then maybe drying slices of fruit and steeping them would too work? i just had some VG lying here and wanted to try to squeeze out some juice from some strawberries and throw in a few drops with vg and see if it tastes good the flavor from store bough genetically modified fruit is generally weak so it might be a little weak of a vapor flavor but perhaps it could work...although it may ruin the atty if it dries out ? Heat may re-melt the sugars although if they clump together they would simply burn and clog the atty (ego-c btw)

 

[tsunami987]

I'm fairly certain you'd be going into un-charted territory. And yeah, the "dried fruit" idea had crossed my mind while writing my post. I'd say it's worth a shot if you don't mind potentially clogging an atty. I will say the tea extract I made clogged my atty up pretty good, but tea also isn't quite as sugary as fruit. Either way, if you want, give it a shot. I don't see how it could hurt YOU, which is the major concern. With all the people extracting tobacco juice, I really can't just shoot down an idea to try dried fruit. Let us know, lol.

 

[tsunami987]

Another thought, though... Tea/tobacco works I think more because it's already shredded... If you were able to cut up some dried fruit you'd probably get better results. I think the best way to do it would be once again soaking in pga, but you could try the quick VG heat and night of steeping.

 

[dano-bri]

how is the store bought concentrared flavors made ?

 

[Leothwyn]

I don't know how the store ones are made, but they don't need to worry about concentrating sugar as well as flavor.

I don't think fermentation would be an issue if it was in alcohol or PG.

 

[tsunami987]

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OFC Don't add the sugar, but yeah, 4 weeks is about right for extracting fruit flavor.

Most store bought flavors have both natural and artificial flavors in them. From what I understand, essential oils from fruits are generally what are used to make flavorings, although I have no idea what the extraction process is... Pretty sure it's different than just a month long pga bath. And most of those are suspended in alcohol, potentially then transferred to PG. The artificial flavors just use synthesized molecules to re-create the flavor of whatever you happen to be trying to get.

Did you wind up trying any of this yet?

 

[buffaloguy]

If im not mistaken most of the fruits essential oils are contained in the skin or rind of the fruit. Sugars are in the pulp. I could be very mistaken but I know from cooking that many recipes I have call for using the peel of a lemon, lime, orange, etc. Fruits with a rind of course are likely different than others.

I raised a similar question about using pure lemon juice squeezed from a lemon over in the vinegar thread. Imo, just with my cooking knowledge the citric acid in fruits and the bacteriacide properties in vg or pg will prevent fermentation. Im going to try throwing a lemon in a blender, minus seeds, and then heat that mix in some vg. then let it sit overnight and then strain it and see what happens.

Ill either end up with lemon extract, or lemonade but ill let ya know... lol.

 

[dano-bri]

i have not tried making a concentrate flavor from fruits but i sure would like to find a way to do this
it would be great if u could get enough flavor to add to your base for vaping (it would be all natural)


im curious to see how your experiment with lemon turns out buffaloguy

 

[Semiretired]

There are a few threads where people have tried it. I really did not follow the threads so I do not know the final outcome. If I remember correctly - one was with blueberries and I think it was advised to avoid the citric fruits. I have been using the coffee method and it works fine - just have not ventured into fruit...

I am sure if you tried you could dig up some of those threads...

 

[buffaloguy]

Ive done coffee and tea successfully. I started it. Its mellowing on the stove covered till tomorrow afternoon.

So far basically I took one and a half lemons (the other half went in my iced tea to I didnt waste it.. lol) and peeled off the rind leaving off as much of the pith (the white part underneath the rind) as possible. My cooking knowledge here (and I know my stuff) tells me that the pith is extremely bitter and we dont want that in a juice. I then havled the lemon and sectioned it as you would an orange taking only the meaty fruit and no pith. I then added the rind, the sections, and whatever juice i got out of it and tossed it in the blender with about 50-80ml of VG. I just eyeballed it but i had to put enuff in to make the blades of the blender work.

What I got was a goopy mess still a lil chunky but thats fine imo, its an extraction anyways. Put it all in a small pot on the stove and heated it to slightly boiling. Pulled it off the stove for five mins then put it back on the flame till it barely boiled again. I want to mess with the expansion and contraction of the fruit rinds here to pull out as much flavor as possible. I immediately covered it and it now sits....

As the song goes, "oh the waiting is the hardest part".

will report back when i know more.

 

[chrismp]

From wikipedia -

Extraction techniques

The majority of natural essences are obtained by extracting the essential oil from the blossoms, fruit, roots, etc., or the whole plants, through four techniques:

Expression when the oil is very plentiful and easily obtained, as in lemon peel.
Absorption is generally accomplished by steeping in alcohol, as vanilla beans.
Maceration is used to create smaller bits of the whole, as in making peppermint extract, etc.
Distillation is used with maceration, but in many cases, it requires expert chemical knowledge and the erection of costly stills.

The distinctive flavors of nearly all fruits, in the popular acceptance of the word, are desirable adjuncts to many food preparations, but only a few are practical sources of sufficiently concentrated flavor extract. The most important among those that lend themselves to "pure" extract manufacture include lemons, oranges, and vanilla beans.

I hope it works ok lemon sounds like a good one to try.

 

[dano-bri]

Ive done coffee and tea successfully. I started it. Its mellowing on the stove covered till tomorrow afternoon.

So far basically I took one and a half lemons (the other half went in my iced tea to I didnt waste it.. lol) and peeled off the rind leaving off as much of the pith (the white part underneath the rind) as possible. My cooking knowledge here (and I know my stuff) tells me that the pith is extremely bitter and we dont want that in a juice. I then havled the lemon and sectioned it as you would an orange taking only the meaty fruit and no pith. I then added the rind, the sections, and whatever juice i got out of it and tossed it in the blender with about 50-80ml of VG. I just eyeballed it but i had to put enuff in to make the blades of the blender work.

What I got was a goopy mess still a lil chunky but thats fine imo, its an extraction anyways. Put it all in a small pot on the stove and heated it to slightly boiling. Pulled it off the stove for five mins then put it back on the flame till it barely boiled again. I want to mess with the expansion and contraction of the fruit rinds here to pull out as much flavor as possible. I immediately covered it and it now sits....

As the song goes, "oh the waiting is the hardest part".

will report back when i know more.

you say u tried tea and it was succesful have u tried some of the flavored teas like lemon, chocolate , rasberry, blueberry, mint etc etc......?
i wonder if the flavors of these teas would work?

 

[buffaloguy]

There is a thread someplace here in diy called "vaping tea" i believe. Ive tried a bunch of different ones including fruit infused. I personally like ginger peach tea for a vape.

Now, back to the lemon concentrate. At this point Im going to say its not so successful yet.

I let it sit overnight, strained the mix thru a coffee filter and ended up with just under 60ml of very lemony tasting and smelling VG. I did this with no nic vg on purpose. Now although its a very yellow and nice tasting lemon liquid.... vaping it is another story.

I popped a fresh atty on my ego-c, loaded up a tank with a mix of 100% vg, 20% of the vg lemon concentrate I made, and 10% dw to thin. Vaped and couldnt taste a thing although it smells lemony, taste nada.

Then I thought... well lets try the reverse seeing as its essentially lemon in a 100% VG base... why dilute it so much. So, I added 20% dw to the 100% lemon vg... vaped it.... smells VERY lemony.... is there a taste? yeah like burnt sugar and straight vg. no lemon flavor.

Steeped both bat hes awhile in a hot water bath. Same results. So at this point they are bottled and sitting for awhile to see if they may come to life.

Im using the same method I use to make coffee and tea vapes, aside from mascerating the fruit and only using pulp and peel. I know the process works. The juice is very lemony to tongue tasting, and smell, but I taste absolutely nothing when I vape it.

Thoughts?

 

[J**2]

Why not just go to the natures flavors website under coffee and tea flavorings and order something? They extract their flavor using steam among other techniques.


GG, Provari, iatty2, DIY wannabe chef

 

[vancity]

Preserving Fruit Flavors in Alcohol: Homemade Liqueurs | Growing A Greener World

OFC Don't add the sugar, but yeah, 4 weeks is about right for extracting fruit flavor.

Most store bought flavors have both natural and artificial flavors in them. From what I understand, essential oils from fruits are generally what are used to make flavorings, although I have no idea what the extraction process is... Pretty sure it's different than just a month long pga bath. And most of those are suspended in alcohol, potentially then transferred to PG. The artificial flavors just use synthesized molecules to re-create the flavor of whatever you happen to be trying to get.

Did you wind up trying any of this yet?

I just bought a stock of new juices so i dont think ill be trying it for a while but if anyone else does let us know for sure! I think the idea is worth a shot, you could boil it at a low heat and let it simmer for some time to extract the flavour although im not sure how you would go about doing this (what liquid) as it would all evaporate, i would think start with a large amoutn of water and let it slowly shrink, as VG would simply become to thick but im not sure.

 

[buffaloguy]

Well I could certainly do thag j**2. And darnit, I believe I have... lol. The point is to see if we can do it ourselves. I have plenty of fruit juices from different vendors.

Vg has a higher boiling point so imo its an excellent carrier liquid. Alcohol might be better for extracting essential oils, but heat itself should be enough to make that possible regardless of the carrier liquid.

Most of my diy coffee and tea extracts I do in PG, and they are better than any single coffee extract you will buy from any vendor. Hands down, and its ultra simple to do.

Im trying here to do the same with fruits. So any thoughts on the techniques I used or ideas why I cant taste the flavor thru vaping it?