"Fake" Ego

[theWayISshut]

What's a video player?

BTW, theWayISshut, not every single e-cig is terribly overpriced. I think you're making a pretty big generalization there. The first entrepreneur who comes to mind is Parkes vaping. Please, look on their site and tell me they're ruining this business and are overpricing their products.

Truth is, everything is overpriced, not only some e-cigs. To go with your favourite comparison: You can buy $200 flaslights, does that mean that the parts in the damn thing are worth that much? Of course not, but it's what people will pay which is far more important.

By the way, I'm anxiously awaiting your reply.

Sorry dear. That's just the way I feel. Someday you'll recall posts like this the moment you receive and hold in your hands your beautiful flashlight. I admit I shouldn't be too negative. I still see light at the end of the tunnel. Like I always say, it's a simple device. It shouldn't be too long to see wonderful changes in the e-cig world.

 

[ChellyNelly]

I hope to see wonderful changes as well, so we're on the same page there at least

 

[Switched]

I'm just saying that just because something isn't genuine Joyetech doesn't automatically make it bad. It may not survive the rigors one puts it through as well as a Joyetech, but if it's cheap enough it doesn't really need to.

This is absolutely true and I support this observation.

True, and I've had my share of poor quality devices, too. I'm not saying that the clones are just as good, most of them aren't -- some by a long shot, and in most cases you gets what you pays for. But there are some that are as good, and some that even have certain additional advantages, but are cheaper, and have lower MOQs for vendors. (FWIW, Joyetech's MOQ is 500 pieces, which is a pretty high bar to set unless you're a well-established vendor with a long reach that can easily burn through those 500 units at the prices Joyetech expects you to sell them for. Jack at Happy might be able to do it, but not everyone can take that risk, especially when they can't be very competitive with pricing and can't carry a lower-end clone to help fill the gaps.)

It is but a logo, belonging to a brotherhood where one pays Union dues, that's all.

MOQs of 500 are not that uncommon, just this one is attached to JoyE, I am not defending them. Their modus operandi hasn't really changed since day one, however the modus operandi of vendors has changed in trying to undercut the competition. BTW there are ways to work around the 500 MOQ. Cherry Vapes has come out with a similar stance towards their individual suppliers - if ya sell Cherry Vape, you can't sell the Chinese knock offs (regardless of what material the knock offs are made from. The latter was to a point that they started a steamroll (not them) to boycott all vendors that sold Chinese knock offs.

The Provari has it's clone - the lavatube. It will be interesting to see how well it fairs up against it's big brother. For one, an aluminium tube will not stand up to the abuse a SS tube can endure. There has been one significant change with the LT, is that unlike the Provari (goes into an Err msge) when too much current is drawn, the LT just adjusts down.

IN the end though it doesn't really matter. If a PV like the Darwin or Provari was sold for $29.99, some ...... would like to see it at $19.99. It's human nature.

 

[sabyrock]

If it concerns you, there are a few ways to tell if the vendor you're buying an eGo from is selling genuine Joye.

1. They'll probably advertise that it's genuine Joye.
2. It won't be cheap. Joye has minimum pricing vendors must sell at.
3. The vendor won't sell any other type of eGo (no Riva, no eGo LCD, no eGo VV, etc.), because Joye makes vendors sign an agreement not to sell competing products of the same class.
4. It will probably be branded in some way, most commonly Joyetech or Janty.
5. Genuine Joye eGos will always have a silver band around the button, a clear button cover, and have a rubberized coating. The button will always illuminate white at full charge. If you have gold banding, no rubberized coating, and/or a button that lights up other than white at full charge, it's not a genuine Joyetech. They also do not make E-cigs with screens or battery indicators or LEDs anywhere other than the button (or the end, in the case of the 510).

Great question!


Mindfield got it right, also you can check this for Canadian supplier of joye tech product: Joyetech brand offline electronic cigarette shops
and you can see on the site joyetech does not have any starter kit with 900mah batt, any 900mah starter kit is a fake.

an other thing to look for is the colors, orange is a giving. joyetech does not have that color, for the black one joye is a flat and smooth black fake ego batt are shiny black. as seen on Joye eGo-T starter kits Heaven Gifts the only starter kit with 1000mah is an ego tank type B, any starter kit with a type A is not a joyetech unless made by the vendor himself and not sold in a fancy box. hope this help. cheers.

 

[Cokeybill]

If ppl complain about their PVs and whine about fakes, why not just suck it up and don't write a problem post. Move on and buy another. You're going to have to anyways because the damn thing ain't working. "Stop the press"...my PV sucks, what can I do??.... Buy another one that works...sheesh. No sense in doing a post if you know it ain't workin' and members are going to attempt to advise you of a good PV and no one can agree, except to disagree.

 

[Switched]

Haven't enjoyed a gut buster like that in a while

 

[ChellyNelly]

If ppl complain about their PVs and whine about fakes, why not just suck it up and don't write a problem post. Move on and buy another. You're going to have to anyways because the damn thing ain't working. "Stop the press"...my PV sucks, what can I do??.... Buy another one that works...sheesh. No sense in doing a post if you know it ain't workin' and members are going to attempt to advise you of a good PV and no one can agree, except to disagree.

Did you even read the first post? He's not having any problems, I believe he just wanted some opinions on the topic.

Why do people write posts about anything? Why don't they just suck it up? Oh my...

 

[Cokeybill]

Did you even read the first post? He's not having any problems, I believe he just wanted some opinions on the topic.

Why do people write posts about anything? Why don't they just suck it up? Oh my...

Maybe because posts get off topic anyways. Always have a chime in that doesn't relate to the OP. You know fakes vs originals vs what works vs what doesn't. I see you must read all the posts in the thread and the conclusion is... uh huh.

 

[ChellyNelly]

I'm not even sure what you just said.. but rock on!

 

[Cokeybill]

So I ordered an EGO starter kit from a Canadian vendor in the fall, and so far I havn't had any problems with it. However, since Joining ECF and lurking the forums (and seeing pictures of genuine Joye EGO kits) I have a feeling that the kit I purchased was a knockoff. The box it came it doesn't have JOYE written anywhere on it, and the instruction manual that it came with was very poorly written with grammar and spelling errors.

Now from what "I gather there are many EGO knockoffs floating around and for the most part they perform just as well as the Genuine JOYE brand"..I just feel a little annoyed because I thought I was ordering a genuine JOYE product.

any thoughts?

I disagree that "knock offs perform just as well". It was close enough for me... Let's not try to be a MOD. Just enjoy the postings as members can post their point of views. That's what posts are for. Enjoy, I'm done.

 

[theWayISshut]

If ppl complain about their PVs and whine about fakes, why not just suck it up and don't write a problem post. Move on and buy another. You're going to have to anyways because the damn thing ain't working. "Stop the press"...my PV sucks, what can I do??.... Buy another one that works...sheesh. No sense in doing a post if you know it ain't workin' and members are going to attempt to advise you of a good PV and no one can agree, except to disagree.

Yes. And I've said this in one of my posts in this thread, "Bottom line to me is if you're not satisfied with what you have, try another one." At this point we have to suck it up. Just buy another one if it's cheap enough to replace. In my case I didn't even care whether it's a clone or genuine. A while ago I looked at the price of a Joye Ego-T 650mah. It's $52. I paid mine (a "clone") for $94 excluding shipping and taxes. You can buy about 2 and half of the same device at the same amount as I came to know. Another knockoff, as it turned out.

I didn't even know it's a "clone" at first. I didn't care. It's a darn flashlight. What could possibly go wrong on a flashlight worth a total of $110 something? What complicated part does it have inside that would require hiring a scientist to clone it? So it's not so much about the price of them for me, but the whole point of it's technology or lack thereof of the device. At such prices, they could do better.

 

[Switched]

... personally I think its the Paris Hilton syndrome

 

[Mindfield]

... personally I think its the Paris Hilton syndrome

You mean Joyetech didn't make it big until they released a sex tape?

 

[Switched]

Little slow aren't we Eric

 

[kanadiankat]

Yes. And I've said this in one of my posts in this thread, "Bottom line to me is if you're not satisfied with what you have, try another one." At this point we have to suck it up. Just buy another one if it's cheap enough to replace. In my case I didn't even care whether it's a clone or genuine. A while ago I looked at the price of a Joye Ego-T 650mah. It's $52. I paid mine (a "clone") for $94 excluding shipping and taxes. You can buy about 2 and half of the same device at the same amount as I came to know. Another knockoff, as it turned out.

I didn't even know it's a "clone" at first. I didn't care. It's a darn flashlight. What could possibly go wrong on a flashlight worth a total of $110 something? What complicated part does it have inside that would require hiring a scientist to clone it? So it's not so much about the price of them for me, but the whole point of it's technology or lack thereof of the device. At such prices, they could do better.

...ah the joy(e) of landing in the Canadian forum ... everyone has at least 2 opinions (lol).

Putting this in perspective though:

If Chanel creates a designer dress - a strapless evening gown - (with it's corresponding higher price tag) and someone else copies the dress with near identical cut and color - it is a knock off. It's cheaper, there are more available. It's not a "fake dress" though.

If another designer company makes a dress in that same basic style (ie: strapless evening gown) - and sells it under their own tag and with their own unique specs and design - it's not a knock off. It's a strapless evening gown by another company.

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The king of laptops is Apple (not the original laptop - just the best). If you buy an Apple laptop that was not made by Apple - it is a "fake Apple laptop". Not a knock off. It's probably not a "fake laptop" - just a fake "Apple laptop". And, of course, the person who sold it to you is a crook.

If you purchase a laptop by Acer - it is neither a fake Apple nor is it a knock off.

Both Acer and Apple laptops have the same body mold, same basic electronic internals (battery, chips, etc), a keyboard and a charging cord. They both carry out the same basic functions - but both have user features and programs that the other doesn't.

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Joye is a good company. If someone thought they were purchasing a Joye product when they were really purchasing a different brand - the bigger question is: what made them believe it was Joye? Was the product misrepresented? Was it deceitfully advertised?

Joye, however, is not the only manufacturing company of ecigs. It's not even the first.

Arguing about the "eGo" name is a bit redundant. "eGo" is not trademarked to Joye. That's a simple fact.

 

[Cokeybill]

Ahhh...but an original Joyetech Ego is a Joyetech Ego. Some vendors just say that they are a Joye Ego and are not Joyetech. Hidden message, deceit or a more lucritave way to sell? C'mon ppl let's have the $64,000 answer to the big question. Oops... BTW, China will pay the cash jackpot. They own everything anyways...even the U.S.

 

[jamonbread]

Riva's contain Joye parts it seems, Batteries and PCB's by all accounts. There's a couple of videos from some guy on youtube who takes a couple apart and compares them to his real Joye ego's. Both internal batteries have Joye printed on them and the PCB'S have the same chips, with the same codes printed on each chip. Maybe Joye sell them on, or Riva's are an unofficial/official clone.

 

[JZXJ]

I'm a noob relatively new to vaping, and it took about 30-45 min of research to figure out that all ego really meant was that it had a specific secondary threading for ego devices or adapter / cones for non ego devices to fit snugly. there are 808 ego's 901 egos and the more standard and popular 510 ego types of connectors. Read reviews, look for common problems with specific to a maker or vendor. Shop smart and reward the good guys with your business. Doing forum searches for specific items, if you are seeking help this forum is the best resource of knowledge, that is why everyone is here to begin with.

 

[X P3 Flight Engineer]

I'm a noob relatively new to vaping, and it took about 30-45 min of research to figure out that all ego really meant was that it had a specific secondary threading for ego devices or adapter / cones for non ego devices to fit snugly. there are 808 ego's 901 egos and the more standard and popular 510 ego types of connectors. Read reviews, look for common problems with specific to a maker or vendor. Shop smart and reward the good guys with your business. Doing forum searches for specific items, if you are seeking help this forum is the best resource of knowledge, that is why everyone is here to begin with.

I have been happy with my 'knock-off', or whatever it is, so I have been quiet until now. There are people with monetary limitations and some who enjoy the flash. There is a market for each category, even as the 'Dollar Store' is a great place for some to pick up party supplies and other people depend on it for necessities. Their brooms are not as durable as others, but you can buy a whole broom instead of 1/10th of a durable broom.

I feel assured that if any vendor was misrepresenting their goods as Joye, EVERYBODY (especially Joye and all their vendors) would be jumping all over it. That is an added strength of the ECF!

And Thanks to JZXJ for sharing what a 1/2 hour spent productively can produce, another strength of ECF!